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04-26-2011, 02:05 AM
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We need Doughty to step up his game big time next year. I'm hoping this season has humbled him. As of right now, the Kings don't have a number 1 defenseman. It's pretty rare that teams win anything with out a legit #1 blueliner.
its kind of hard to humble him when you have other coaches telling him that hes been "touched by the hand of god"

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Can I start a hockey related A.D.D. thread?

This way, you won't ever have to monitor it.
That's every thread after a win or loss.


On topic, I think people are underestimating how dramatic the improvement will be down the middle.

Kopitar
Stoll
Schenn
Loktionov
Lewis
Etc.

You could easily slot Stoll as the 4th line center. That's a pretty significant improvement.

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04-26-2011, 02:07 AM
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That's every thread after a win or loss.


On topic, I think people are underestimating how dramatic the improvement will be down the middle.

Kopitar
Stoll
Schenn
Loktionov
Lewis
Etc.

You could easily slot Stoll as the 4th line center. That's a pretty significant improvement.
And you've left off our best center of the series, Richie. We're strong down the middle. It's still the dreaded LW where we're lacking production.

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04-26-2011, 02:10 AM
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Just thinking about it,

I would look to trade Simmonds now, love his energy etc, but his hockey sense has either gone away or he has been exposed as having none....would rather see a Clifford - Lewis - Richardson line, and package, Greene, Simmonds and a prospect for a scoring winger....

Have something like this...

Penner - Kopitar - Williams
Smyth - Stoll - Brown
Clifford - Lewis - Richardson
XXXXX - Lotkionov - Westgarth/Moller/Parse

Doughty - Mitchell
Johnson - Martinez
Scuderi - Voynov/Muzzin etc.

XXXX = traded player....

Then you have 4 lines you can roll, but I wonder if we see Parse back out there, he didn't see the ice in the 3rd, at all.

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Another 2011-2012 cap analysis: http://www.jewelsfromthecrown.com/20...mes-with-pucks

Summary: next year is tight. No bonus cushion next year either as it's the last year of the CBA.

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And you've left off our best center of the series, Richie. We're strong down the middle. It's still the dreaded LW where we're lacking production.
Wouldn't mind Lokti playing Wing with our current strength down the middle.

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Penner, Smyth, Zeus, Poni, they can all be let go or traded imo. Lot of size and experience but not a whole lot of speed plus diminishing skills.

Add speed, skill and toughness is the way I would go.

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You could easily slot Stoll as the 4th line center. That's a pretty significant improvement.
Hey even I would have no problem with Stoll as a 4th line C who can take some key faceoffs and be a gimmick specialist. The only issue would be salary.

Your lineup looks decent but I think asking Smyth to be a 2nd line LW over 82 games may be to much to ask. And you aren't adding anyone to help out Kopitar.

Richardson and Lewis should be centering their own lines next season, but they should not be a scoring line. So the options would be Richards or some outside player, Lokti or Schenn battling it out or letting Stoll center the 2nd line. One of those excites me, one scares me the other makes me nauseous.

I'd rather trade Stoll for a pick, make a run at Richards. Let him play center this coming season and then next season shift him to the LW to replace Penner and/or Smyth and hopefully one or both of those young guys are ready to step in.

I'd also like to see the Kings work with Loktionov this summer to see if he can transition to the wing. The Kings are to loaded at center and have a hole at wing. It only makes sense.

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With our incredible strength down the middle, I have to think someone gets traded. I think Kopi and Stoll will for sure stay but the rest could be moved. The more I think about it the more I'd be fine with Schenn being moved IF it is for a scoring LW who fits our team.

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I hope we can trade for a speedy winger like Mason Raymond. I'd also like to jettison Smyth or Penner, or both, if we make a play in the UFA market. We could sign someone like Zherdev or trade for Filatov to try and get a bit more skill into the team.

I also think it wouldn't hurt to go after a rugged Dman like Carkner to give a bit more intimidation factor to our D.

Hopefully, Schenn, Lokti and Hickey stick next year.

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Wouldn't mind Lokti playing Wing with our current strength down the middle.
Well, Lokti did get some time on the first line with Kopi but wasn't very productive there. I think he's a natural center but if he can fill a void on a LW spot, that would be ideal.

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I expect a vet signing over the summer to replace Handzus, a winger most likely. The youth we had out there was painfully obvious over the course of this series. The pressure was a lot for them and you could see the lack of poise.

For those of you wanting 3 or 4 youngsters next year (Schenn, Kozun, Toffoli, Voinov, etc.) prepare to be disappointed. The Kings are at the point where they need to sign an impact player, and if they cant do that, trade assets to get one. If the Kings were to bring up a bunch of youth, I would probably call and cancel my seats. Starting next season, the time is now for the Kings. They are young enough - now go get an impact player and raise expectations.

I expect the only young addition to the Kings will be Schenn, and an outside chance at Hickey or Voinov. I would be shocked if one of those two aren't traded at or before the draft. Any other young player will have to play out of their mind to make the squad. I'm most curious to see what they do with Loktionov. He's shown he is best at center, and we simply don't have a spot for him.

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Hey even I would have no problem with Stoll as a 4th line C who can take some key faceoffs and be a gimmick specialist. The only issue would be salary.

Your lineup looks decent but I think asking Smyth to be a 2nd line LW over 82 games may be to much to ask. And you aren't adding anyone to help out Kopitar.

Richardson and Lewis should be centering their own lines next season, but they should not be a scoring line. So the options would be Richards or some outside player, Lokti or Schenn battling it out or letting Stoll center the 2nd line. One of those excites me, one scares me the other makes me nauseous.

I'd rather trade Stoll for a pick, make a run at Richards. Let him play center this coming season and then next season shift him to the LW to replace Penner and/or Smyth and hopefully one or both of those young guys are ready to step in.

I'd also like to see the Kings work with Loktionov this summer to see if he can transition to the wing. The Kings are to loaded at center and have a hole at wing. It only makes sense.
Herby,

You keep mentioning 2nd line, 3rd line etc....

It feels the Kings, and the league itself are getting away from calling it 1st line 2nd line 3rd line etc,

If you have trouble with Smyth as a 2nd line LW over 82 games, why wouldn't you have trouble with him as a 4th line LW over 82 games?

I know minutes are scarce etc, and you do have to match up production and salary to minutes, but with the exception of Westgarth and Parse at times, this series, Murray rolled a good 4 lines etc, not sure how they watched the minutes or how close they watched them.....but if are "4th" line,

Consists of Smyth - Lewis - Lotkionov, how many minutes would you expect them to get?

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I know Handzus took a lot of crap this season, but I really do think a player like him is going to be missed, IMO. I wouldn't mind seeing him stick around for cheaper and maybe a lesser role. Who knows if he really wants to do that though.

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I know Handzus took a lot of crap this season, but I really do think a player like him is going to be missed, IMO. I wouldn't mind seeing him stick around for cheaper and maybe a lesser role. Who knows if he really wants to do that though.
Kopi
Stoll
Richie
Schenn
Lewis
Lokti
Zeus (?)

Does Zeus still make your top 4? He doesn't make mine.

I do agree that a smart vet like Zeus will be missed though.

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My prediction for next year:

Realistically:
Penner-Kopitar-Williams
Smyth-Stoll-Brown
Clifford-Schenn-Simmonds
Eager-Lewis-Richardson/Westgarth

Doughty-Mitchell
Scuderi-Johnson
Greene-Martinez/Voynov/Hickey/Muzzin

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My dream lineup:
Smyth-Kopitar-Williams
Penner-Richards-Brown
Clifford-Schenn-Simmonds
Eager-Lewis-Richardson/Westgarth

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Kopi
Stoll
Richie
Schenn
Lewis
Lokti
Zeus (?)

Does Zeus still make your top 4? He doesn't make mine.

I do agree that a smart vet like Zeus will be missed though.
Yes, because chances are Schenn is gonna start the year in Manchester...

You move Richardson to the wing, and you have Kopitar, Stoll, Lewis, Handzus as your top 4...

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I know Handzus took a lot of crap this season, but I really do think a player like him is going to be missed, IMO. I wouldn't mind seeing him stick around for cheaper and maybe a lesser role. Who knows if he really wants to do that though.
It's funny because I feel like DL will probably re-sign him. The guy played well tonight but we all know he's lost a step. The game is too fast for him but he'll be a great coach one day. It's just time to make room for the younger guys. Lewis proved that he can take a bigger role, he's finally grown into his won, so proud

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They gotta let Zus walk, he was great the last 2 years here but there's no room for him.

We have younger guys ready for the spot and although he was great here he's getting old and noticeably slower.

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Doubt he will want it, but Zeus at a lower price would be a perfect 4th line center with Lotkionov on his wing to learn from..

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Yes, because chances are Schenn is gonna start the year in Manchester...

You move Richardson to the wing, and you have Kopitar, Stoll, Lewis, Handzus as your top 4...
Why would we move Richie to wing? Why would we break up our most productive line in the PO?

We need to be faster and more skilled for next season.

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Why would we move Richie to wing? Why would we break up our most productive line in the PO?

We need to be faster and more skilled for next season.
We don't make the decisions bro, Terry Murray does. Knowing him, all three of those guys will start on different lines next year

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Penner-Kopitar-Williams
Smyth-RICHARDS-Brown
Clifford-Richardson-Simmonds
Parse-Stoll-Lewis
Westgarth

Doughty-Mitchell
Johnson-Scuderi
Greene-Martinez/Rookie
Drewiske

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It won't be easy for DL but if he can get Richards and fit everyone into the CAP for next season then it will only get easier after Smyth's, Stoll's, and even Mitchell's contracts are up.

Schenn, Lokitonov, Moller waiting in the wings (Stoll's last year and Richardson can play wing..) and Greene will have no choice but to step it up with all the D-man coming up.


SICK.

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Why would we move Richie to wing? Why would we break up our most productive line in the PO?

We need to be faster and more skilled for next season.
Put Lewis in the middle of Clifford and Richardson,

I had a post up there, Simmonds full of energy, his hockey sense is brutally lacking,

would look to trade him, package him with Greene and a prospect, see what kind of scoring winger we can get....

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You can count B Schenn on the roster for next season.

Richie on wing? I guess but when you have a line that clicks its hard to break it up.

We will be busy this offseason but not trying to add via UFA. We will make at least one move.

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