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04-26-2011, 10:50 AM
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Wouldn't surprise me if the Rangers organization wants Stepan and McDonagh at the WC to spend valuable time with Kreider. And talk to him about going Pro.

Its huge that these guys get to play together and spend time together.
That's pretty much what I was thinking. It would be smart for the Rangers to have two straight out of college NHL players talking to Kreider. I'm sure Stepan and McDonagh can convince him to sign. Stepan and McDonagh were in the same boat last year, but both signed in the end.

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Wouldn't surprise me if the Rangers organization wants Stepan and McDonagh at the WC to spend valuable time with Kreider. And talk to him about going Pro.

Its huge that these guys get to play together and spend time together.
Hah, yeah, let them make him break NCAA rules then he'll have to sign.

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What do you mean about breaking NCAA rules?

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What do you mean about breaking NCAA rules?
Any talk with anyone in the Rangers organization about Kreider going pro has to go through his advisor. Can the players ask him what he's thinking? Yes, but any more than that is tampering really. Not only would it hurt Kreider but it would hurt BC. You'll see in basketball and football that they'll fine the school, or declare the player ineligible if a professional tries to get them to leave school.

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New York Rangers' Derek Stepan and Anaheim's Cam Fowler will be playing for USA at World Championships. More updates expected later.

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Honestly Step and McD shouldn't go simply for the fact they just played their first season over 40 or whatever college games, and are probably tired as hell.

Let them rest a bit and then get them working on strength, endurance, or whatever else.
See, I'm seeing this differently.

Playing in over 90 games this year will help them more next year than not.

If your argument is that they were mentally and or physically tired because they weren't used to the longer schedule, then wouldn't it make sense to have them play as many games as possible to condition their bodies for a longer schedule?

I would think that you would want them to play as many game as possible so that they could get used to the longer grind.

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Any talk with anyone in the Rangers organization about Kreider going pro has to go through his advisor. Can the players ask him what he's thinking? Yes, but any more than that is tampering really. Not only would it hurt Kreider but it would hurt BC. You'll see in basketball and football that they'll fine the school, or declare the player ineligible if a professional tries to get them to leave school.
They are playing for the same team, if you really think that they are not trying to convince him to turn pro you are mistaken.

The players can talk to him all they want, the front office in terms of actual nuts and bolts would have to go through his advisor as you suggest.

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They are playing for the same team, if you really think that they are not trying to convince him to turn pro you are mistaken.

The players can talk to him all they want, the front office in terms of actual nuts and bolts would have to go through his advisor as you suggest.
What's good about turning pro? What 's good to leave with no degree? Can someone explain what I'm missing here? He can wait out another year, then play in HFD for a season. By that time Torts will be fired for sure. You come now and he will make Prust out of you. So you will end up with no money and no degree. Just stupid.

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Couple things wrong here...

1. Another year of NCAA does not get Kreider a degree, unless he has somehow been running 5 class semesters with full summer schedules on top of hockey. Very unlikely.

2. To a college kid, an ELC (Chris would get around 1 million per) is a ton of money

3. Make him Prust? Because Prust was drafted so high and had so much potential to begin with? Pretty god awful analogy.

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Tyutin and Kalinin are the two former Rangers on RUS roster.

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Any talk with anyone in the Rangers organization about Kreider going pro has to go through his advisor. Can the players ask him what he's thinking? Yes, but any more than that is tampering really. Not only would it hurt Kreider but it would hurt BC. You'll see in basketball and football that they'll fine the school, or declare the player ineligible if a professional tries to get them to leave school.
Is there any real way to monitor that, though? Unless the NCAA has spy tech toys in the hotel rooms, locker room, and restaurants there's no way to prevent Stepan from pitching the Rangers and the NHL to Kreider.

And that's why this is huge IMO. It's perfect way for the organization to scout their top prospect.

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What's good about turning pro?
Aside from the money and lifestyle, the people who are paid to make these decisions believe it is best for his development.
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What 's good to leave with no degree? Can someone explain what I'm missing here?
I highly doubt a degree in anything is going to benefit Kreider given his career choice. You can always go back to school.
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He can wait out another year, then play in HFD for a season.
He can play in HFD come October, and be NHL ready (if he isn't sooner) either sometime around halfway through the year, or at the start of the next season.
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By that time Torts will be fired for sure.
Just had a three year extension
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You come now and he will make Prust out of you. So you will end up with no money and no degree. Just stupid.
I think Torts can distinguish Prust and Kreider and their roles.

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3. Make him Prust? Because Prust was drafted so high and had so much potential to begin with? Pretty god awful analogy.
Not every one have Lecavalier guts to fight Torts and then thank him for making a two way player out of No1 pick.

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What's good about turning pro? What 's good to leave with no degree? Can someone explain what I'm missing here? He can wait out another year, then play in HFD for a season. By that time Torts will be fired for sure. You come now and he will make Prust out of you. So you will end up with no money and no degree. Just stupid.
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Tortorella will make Prust out of you? You mean taking a guy who had little to no value and was a one dimesnsional grinder rotating on the 4th line and healthy scratch and turning him into a valuable asset, being a league leader in short handed points.

Or you mean how Ryan Callahan was nothing more then an average at best 3rd liner tops, and turning him into a legitimate top six player, team leader, and one of the most valuable players in the league to his team.

Or how Mike Sauer and Ryan McDonagh became a legit top four.

Or how every single one of the young players had career years?

Blind bias much?

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I left out Brian Boyle who's NHL career was in jeopardy, and through Tortorella turned him into a 20 goal two way shut down center and one of the better penalty killers in the league.

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Is there any real way to monitor that, though? Unless the NCAA has spy tech toys in the hotel rooms, locker room, and restaurants there's no way to prevent Stepan from pitching the Rangers and the NHL to Kreider.

And that's why this is huge IMO. It's perfect way for the organization to scout their top prospect.
The NCAA can infer whatever the hell they want. If they even suspect improper contact between Step and Kreider, they can punish him without evidence. It's the biggest injustice for college athletes, the NCAA need no burden of proof to punish players.

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I used to have issues with Tortorella but what he did for this organization and the shift in philosophy that came about with his arrival... there's little to complain about. He's the right guy to develop the right players.

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The NCAA can infer whatever the hell they want. If they even suspect improper contact between Step and Kreider, they can punish him without evidence. It's the biggest injustice for college athletes, the NCAA need no burden of proof to punish players.
Is this true?

As long as it doesn't effect his future education.

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What's good about turning pro? What 's good to leave with no degree? Can someone explain what I'm missing here? He can wait out another year, then play in HFD for a season. By that time Torts will be fired for sure. You come now and he will make Prust out of you. So you will end up with no money and no degree. Just stupid.
The degree can be gotten at any time.

His development as a player in that system is not going to advance much beyond what it is now if at all and any stagnation (is that even a word) in his developement and his talent is actually taking a step backwards.

His ELC is going to pay him MILLIONS, worst case is that he washes out, for whatever reason, he can still get his degree.

So he will end up with millions and his degree.

Staying in that program will have a better chance of turning him into some marginal 3rd liner as opposed to the big and fast sniper he CAN become based on his tools.

The tools need to be sharpened and that is not happening at BC

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Tortorella will make Prust out of you? You mean taking a guy who had little to no value and was a one dimesnsional grinder rotating on the 4th line and healthy scratch and turning him into a valuable asset, being a league leader in short handed points.

Or you mean how Ryan Callahan was nothing more then an average at best 3rd liner tops, and turning him into a legitimate top six player, team leader, and one of the most valuable players in the league to his team.

Or how Mike Sauer and Ryan McDonagh became a legit top four.

Or how every single one of the young players had career years?

Blind bias much?
Torts has nothing to do with defense. He has Sullivan for that. If Sullivan gets HC job, he will get someone else to work with Ds. Point being Torts cannot be credited for Sauer-McD duo success or blamed for MDZ problems.
Tortotella is an excellent bottom 6 developer. Under him we have one of the best bottom 6 in NHL. He, however, cannot help the top 6 - has has to get top 6 talent delivered to him so he can teach them how to grind.
If Kreider wants to have an NHL career the way he deserves it, he has to come to Torts with multi-million contract signed already. Otherwise he will stuck at 1-2.5 million for life, may be more, but you get the point...

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I left out Brian Boyle who's NHL career was in jeopardy, and through Tortorella turned him into a 20 goal two way shut down center and one of the better penalty killers in the league.
BB carried the same or better promice than Kreider when drafted.

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The NCAA can infer whatever the hell they want. If they even suspect improper contact between Step and Kreider, they can punish him without evidence. It's the biggest injustice for college athletes, the NCAA need no burden of proof to punish players.
Well, if they didn't do it at last years WC, then I HIGHLY doubt they would infer anythign different this year.

Last year had Dubi and Gilroy and the Rangers were trying to get him to turn pro more then than they have been now.

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there are ways around those NCAA rules. Stepan and McD could say "Chris, you should really consider eating steak"
And I believe Chris is allowed to ask all the questions he wants to about "steak" to best inform him about making the best decision. Stepan and Kreider at least know each other from playing in the WJC together so there should already be a good relationship there for them to talk casually. mmm... Steak.

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BB carried the same or better promice than Kreider when drafted.
That's just not true. When BB was drafted he was just raw size. Even after improving his skating with Underhill, he's still not nearly as fast as Kreider right now. There's a big difference between Kreider and Boyle skill and potential wise, regardless of the fact that they were both mid-first round picks.

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