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04-26-2011, 02:53 PM
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4.5m for Tomas ****ing Fleischmann!?!?!?!
Have you been following him? After going from center to wing the guy exploded to be a PPG player for 1/4th of a season. Granted it was a small sampling but he's always had top notch skills. In Washington he was always limited in time behind other players AO, Semin, Backstrom, Laich, etc. and BB wanted him to play center. In Colorado they switched him to wing and he flourished as an excellent playmaking winger who can also put the puck in the net. Eastern European, playmaking winger, who can skate and score and is a PPG player, yeah I'll pay as much as 4.5 to make sure I get him because if he turns Gabby into as star as well....it's more than worth it!

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Outside of Brad Richards, there may not be a much better alternative available in free agency. This is of course assuming Fleischmann is 100% but you can’t deny his ability to play and make others around him better. He obviously needs the opportunity to play quality minutes which he wasn’t getting during his last few months in Washington.
http://www.truehockey.com/articles/F...ecialist-in-DC

His health is an issue, but hey we're the Rangers, what's new. He should be fully recovered. If we're lucky, maybe it scares some away and we get him for less. If we do, great, but for my estimations, I'm going to estimate high to make sure everything fits. 3.5-4.5 to get the Flash and yeah whoever gets this guy may get the steal of the UFA class this year!

If the Rangers land the two most talented UFAs out there it upgrades their offense big time.


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04-26-2011, 03:08 PM
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I'm a little tired of the "YOU DONT TRADE GABORIK WHEN HIS VALUE IS AT AN ALL TIME LOW!" spiel.

How do you geniuses know that his value isn't higher right now than it will be in another year? If he has another season like this one, or worse, then what? Do we keep him for 2 more years because his value is at an all-time low! Gotta keep those players! Love low-value players! Awesome plan. If you can get the right return for him, you trade him. Yes, he carried our offense last year (a year we MISSED the playoffs), and he also was nowhere to be found down the stretch and in the playoffs, and singlehandedly lost us game 4. He's not a warrior I'm eager to go to battle with in the playoffs, even if he scores 50 goals next year. For the right return, you absolutely trade him. He's become a textbook perimeter player. He's soft and he's easily shut down.

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04-26-2011, 03:45 PM
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Kreider Richards Gaborik
Dubinsky Anisimov Callahan
Avery/Hagelin Stepan Zuccarello/Grachev/Avery (if Hags makes the team out of camp)
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McDonagh Sauer
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04-26-2011, 04:11 PM
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I'm a little tired of the "YOU DONT TRADE GABORIK WHEN HIS VALUE IS AT AN ALL TIME LOW!" spiel.

How do you geniuses know that his value isn't higher right now than it will be in another year? If he has another season like this one, or worse, then what? Do we keep him for 2 more years because his value is at an all-time low! Gotta keep those players! Love low-value players! Awesome plan. If you can get the right return for him, you trade him. Yes, he carried our offense last year (a year we MISSED the playoffs), and he also was nowhere to be found down the stretch and in the playoffs, and singlehandedly lost us game 4. He's not a warrior I'm eager to go to battle with in the playoffs, even if he scores 50 goals next year. For the right return, you absolutely trade him. He's become a textbook perimeter player. He's soft and he's easily shut down.
You need top tier talent to play with Richards and to lure him here what don't you understand about that? You think he wants to play on a line with Avery cause they are BSA ad Zuccarello? Get real and of we should get rid of Gaborik cause he is soft than we may as well trade anisimov, wolski, stepan, Christensen, and gilroy based on your logic and become the flyers. Gaborik won't be traded so keep dreaming. His value will be higher at the trade deadline just look at what players who had years left on their contacts fetched. You will be able to get more when teams are trying to add a piece for tha playoffs than to start a season, that is common knowledge doesnt take a genius to know that.

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04-26-2011, 04:32 PM
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I'm a little tired of the "YOU DONT TRADE GABORIK WHEN HIS VALUE IS AT AN ALL TIME LOW!" spiel.

How do you geniuses know that his value isn't higher right now than it will be in another year? If he has another season like this one, or worse, then what? Do we keep him for 2 more years because his value is at an all-time low! Gotta keep those players! Love low-value players! Awesome plan. If you can get the right return for him, you trade him. Yes, he carried our offense last year (a year we MISSED the playoffs), and he also was nowhere to be found down the stretch and in the playoffs, and singlehandedly lost us game 4. He's not a warrior I'm eager to go to battle with in the playoffs, even if he scores 50 goals next year. For the right return, you absolutely trade him. He's become a textbook perimeter player. He's soft and he's easily shut down.
I have to agree with your most of your statements. People keep referencing to last season. We missed the playoffs, he scored like this year in blowouts, late in game to make it 5-2, empty nets etc. Sure he was better last year but he still did not carry us in ways people make it seem on top of that we missed the playoffs in a weak year in the East. Im not saying i want to trade him either because i know he has something to offer in skill and speed but if the return can make the team better you do it.

Star players do not tend to have as bad years as he has had. People have to start thinking he is very inury prone and even if not physical, mentally it effects his play making him skirmish, quick to give the puck away, perimeter players. This can work vs team like the Leafs but when it comes to tougher or playoff games, you have too do what it takes and play the right way and compete the proper way which he does not show indication of doing. Will a good center make a difference sure it could help set him up in the perimeter more often but do we have that guy for sure? No and will it click for sure? Maybe The point is you cannot bash either way or either decesion because we may already lack skill but keeping Gaborik does not rectify that problem as was shown this year. Also if people are admitting he needs a good center to play with that goes to show he does not make players around him better like Crosby etc in fact only Christ play better on his line. The question become to de want a guy that needs a Richards to make him play better or do we trade for someone that could make players around him better regardless of who he plays with.


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I'm a little tired of the "YOU DONT TRADE GABORIK WHEN HIS VALUE IS AT AN ALL TIME LOW!" spiel.

How do you geniuses know that his value isn't higher right now than it will be in another year? If he has another season like this one, or worse, then what? Do we keep him for 2 more years because his value is at an all-time low! Gotta keep those players! Love low-value players! Awesome plan. If you can get the right return for him, you trade him. Yes, he carried our offense last year (a year we MISSED the playoffs), and he also was nowhere to be found down the stretch and in the playoffs, and singlehandedly lost us game 4. He's not a warrior I'm eager to go to battle with in the playoffs, even if he scores 50 goals next year. For the right return, you absolutely trade him. He's become a textbook perimeter player. He's soft and he's easily shut down.
Not commenting on if we should move him or not -- I am sure that he has a lot of value.

I mean, I am sure you could find 10 teams who would love to get him. From like Columbus to Florida to Edmonton to Montreal to Toronto to Nashville to Dallas (if they loose Richards) and so on. I mean, if there is 1 or 2 or 3 big names availble every summer, you know a team like Edmonton never will be able to get them. They might match a offer, but the star would always go elsewhere.

I am also sure that we could get like a very good looking kid, a player and a pick for him -- but is that what we need? We have depth. We have kids who will become like top 2-3 line players. We need that player with a little extra. We need that player who can electrifye a PP. We need that player who can step up when a game is on the line.

Maybe Slats can pull of a monster deal -- Id love that.

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04-26-2011, 07:21 PM
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I'm sure I'm not adding anything unique to the discussion this late, but anyway, my take:

Need an offensive d-man. Richards is self explanatory. However, my vision on Brad is 3-4 years max. If he doesn't want it, later bro.

Anything more than 3-4 years for Brad will have people calling for his head later on. It never works out. Ever. Oh, and by the way, no NMC. You just can't trust older players these days.

Back to offensive d-men. Powerplay is atrocious. Not sure ONE d-man can change that, but TWO + Brad could potentially. If MDZ can refine his game into a respectable one again, with the addition of a solid offensive d-man and/or Brad, we might be able to actually score a damn PP goal every now and again.

I don't think we need any other forward in free agency, but wouldn't be opposed to adding an additional one. Not sure the options out there. I wouldn't want anyone too expensive (over $3M).

And, the obvious:

Bye-bye Drury, Christensen, Gilroy, Avery, Wolski, McCabe, Prospal (too old). Feds I might welcome back on a cheap note. Eminger too, as a 7th.

Let Zucca, Grachev, Kreider, Weise, Hagelin battle it out in camp for spots hopefully. Again, it should be self explanatory, but at this point, prefer ANY young'n over washed up veteran. I'd rather see a young player try hard for his 20 points than see a washed up vet struggle his way to 20 points.

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04-26-2011, 07:31 PM
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Let Zucca, Grachev, Kreider, Weise, Hagelin battle it out in camp for spots hopefully. Again, it should be self explanatory, but at this point, prefer ANY young'n over washed up veteran. I'd rather see a young player try hard for his 20 points than see a washed up vet struggle his way to 20 points.
How many of those kids do you see getting spots? The expectation will be that the team makes the post season next year...so we can't simply roster players because we want a young team. I'm hopeful a couple of those guys make the cut...but we can't expect that more than 1 or 2 will earn it.

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I have to agree with your most of your statements. People keep referencing to last season. We missed the playoffs, he scored like this year in blowouts, late in game to make it 5-2, empty nets etc. Sure he was better last year but he still did not carry us in ways people make it seem on top of that we missed the playoffs in a weak year in the East. Im not saying i want to trade him either because i know he has something to offer in skill and speed but if the return can make the team better you do it.

Star players do not tend to have as bad years as he has had. People have to start thinking he is very inury prone and even if not physical, mentally it effects his play making him skirmish, quick to give the puck away, perimeter players. This can work vs team like the Leafs but when it comes to tougher or playoff games, you have too do what it takes and play the right way and compete the proper way which he does not show indication of doing. Will a good center make a difference sure it could help set him up in the perimeter more often but do we have that guy for sure? No and will it click for sure? Maybe The point is you cannot bash either way or either decesion because we may already lack skill but keeping Gaborik does not rectify that problem as was shown this year. Also if people are admitting he needs a good center to play with that goes to show he does not make players around him better like Crosby etc in fact only Christ play better on his line. The question become to de want a guy that needs a Richards to make him play better or do we trade for someone that could make players around him better regardless of who he plays with.
Some points I agree with you but others you are way off. Star players do not tend to have as bad years as he had? Are you kidding me? Gaborik had 42 goals and 44 assists last season for 86 points. I have a very good comparison to him... Alex Semin who had 40 goals and 44 assists for 84 points last season. Nearly identical stats and Alex played in 73 games while Gaborik played in 76. Well this season Gaborik had 22 goals and 26 assists for 48 points in 62 games. Semin had 28 goals and 26 assists for 54 points in 65 games. Both had off years in comparison with the previous year, the difference is Semin isn't supposed to carry the load offensively like Gaborik the one man show is expected to around here with Erik Christensen or Vinny Prospal. Semin had Backstrom, Ovie, and Knuble to also score big time goals. The Rangers need to get another elite player or two up front to take some of this burden off Gaborik.

I am tired of how everyone here keeps saying he scored all his goals in blowouts. Guess what, if he doesn't score those goals, the games aren't won and they aren't blowouts are they? They were still important goals and if you are going to criticize his goals then take a look at Dubinsky and his 24 goals cause at least 4-5 of them were empty net goals, so its more like he only had 19 goals but he is our leading goal scorer. A goal is a goal, sure I expect more from Gabby and want him to be more noticeable, but everyone has off years. Gaborik is not playing with top line talent and is expected to do it all himself, at times he was invisible and at other times he just couldn't buy a goal. I am all for buying a center and possibly even a LW to create some chemistry and get him back on track.

No one ever said Gaborik is a Crosby type player, however Richards makes everyone around him better. He is a playmaker, he can score, he can run the point from the PP and he has won a cup and Conn Smythe trophy. He is the player that makes everyone, and should make Gaborik better.

Trading Gaborik does not send a sign to Richards that we are serious about winning unless we get a King's ransom back, and the King's were prepared to trade for him at the deadline, not sure what we can get now? Can we even get quality 1st line players for him? I'd rather keep him and see how it works with Richards, I am sure Richards wants to play with a pure scorer like Gaborik.

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04-26-2011, 07:45 PM
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4.5m for Tomas ****ing Fleischmann!?!?!?!
yea may as well just kep Wolski then

Are all fans ok with Drury and Wolski taking up around 4 mil this yr and 2 mil next yr in cap space?

Rather just buyout Dru and keep WW for one yr then let him walk as a UFA

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I'm going off the board and saying I am HOPING the Rangers sign Zenon Konopka on a 2-year deal to anchor the 4th line. The guy is all guts and hard-work, will drop the gloves, and is a FANTASTIC face-off guy, something this team needs help on. He hits and goes hard to the net.

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Yes please!

Konopka was 57.7% last year.

Brad Richards was 50.6% last year.

Dubinsky was 52.5% but he is a LW.

Christensen was 49.4% but he should NOT be in the line-up.

Boyle was 48.5%.

Anisimov was 44.5%.

Stepan was 38.5%.

The team needed help in the face-off circle. Drury helped when he came back as he was 56.4% but Konopka is just the better overall player for a 4th line role.

Kreider/Grachev-Richards-Gaborik
Dubinsky-Anisimov-Callahan
Kreider/Grachev-Stepan-MZA/Thomas
Boyle-Konopka-Prust
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Ehrhoff/McDonagh-Sauer/Bieksa (sign one of Bieksa/Ehrhoff)
McDonagh/Valentenko-Sauer/Montador/Gill
Gilroy

Hank
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I know that defense may be a bit confusing but I believe the Rangers NEED to sign another top-4 defenseman who can move the puck and play on the PP. Bieksa and Ehrhoff can do just that. Both are warriors and will lay the big hit as well as the fact that Bieksa will fight if need be.

I also believe that the Rangers should sign a veteran defenseman to a 1-year deal for there 3rd pairing to help bring experience and honestly only believe Valentenko is the only NHL ready defensive prospect for next season. After that I believe MDZ, Kundratek, Parlett and McIlrath will be pushing for spots.

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You need top tier talent to play with Richards and to lure him here what don't you understand about that? You think he wants to play on a line with Avery cause they are BSA ad Zuccarello? Get real and of we should get rid of Gaborik cause he is soft than we may as well trade anisimov, wolski, stepan, Christensen, and gilroy based on your logic and become the flyers. Gaborik won't be traded so keep dreaming. His value will be higher at the trade deadline just look at what players who had years left on their contacts fetched. You will be able to get more when teams are trying to add a piece for tha playoffs than to start a season, that is common knowledge doesnt take a genius to know that.
More BS being spewed around. How do you know what Richards wants and what we need to "lure" him here? You think he's drooling over playing with a guy who scored 0 goals in 12 games down the stretch where every game mattered on whether we make the playoffs or not, and then scored 1 goal in 5 playoff games and giftwrapped the other team's double overtime game-winner in game 4? Yea, we can't lose THAT! We all know what Gaborik is CAPABLE of. We also all know what Christensen is CAPABLE of. The reality of what they will produce from this point on is what concerns those of us with enough foresight to realize that we probably aren't winning a cup with Gaborik at the forefront. He's just not a warrior. He's not a guy who will battle through multiple checks to get a scoring chance. He's easily neutralized, often injured, and rather one-dimensional. He may score 50 next to Richards. Hell, he may score 60. But I'm not interested in touting individual accomplishments. I want a cup and this team has more than a few of the right pieces. It's players like Lundqvist, Staal, Dubinsky, Girardi and Callahan who will attract a smart, mature player like Richards. Not an uninvolved perimeter primadonna like Gaborik. Richards knows the type of players it takes to win a cup. Those I just mentioned are exactly the recipe. Guys who will go through a wall for the team and will amp their game up in the playoffs make all the difference.

I also laughed out loud at you saying "we might as well trade Anisimov, etc and become the Flyers!" as if that's a bad thing. First of all, I would trade Anisimov for the RIGHT return. There's a right return for almost every player. Even Crosby. Would you not trade Crosby for Ovechkin, Backstrom, and Laich? Yeah man, it would SUCK to become a deep, mature, physical team that just went to the finals with a pair of AHL goalies. If we were anywhere near the Flyers' level, with Lundqvist, we'd be winning 16 straight in the playoffs. Yea, let's build against the Flyers model with more Gaboriks, Wolskis, and Christensens. Let's get more players who won't even hustle enough to negate an icing race that they're already winning. ****ing Wolski.

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Have you been following him? After going from center to wing the guy exploded to be a PPG player for 1/4th of a season. Granted it was a small sampling but he's always had top notch skills. In Washington he was always limited in time behind other players AO, Semin, Backstrom, Laich, etc. and BB wanted him to play center. In Colorado they switched him to wing and he flourished as an excellent playmaking winger who can also put the puck in the net. Eastern European, playmaking winger, who can skate and score and is a PPG player, yeah I'll pay as much as 4.5 to make sure I get him because if he turns Gabby into as star as well....it's more than worth it!
This is textbook albatross contracting. 4.5m for 1/4 of a year? Not even half? Tons of players get traded and have a very good few weeks following that trade. Wolski was very good for us soon after acquiring, but he faded each and every game after about the first 10-15. Especially for a player in a contract year such as Fleischmann. Even then, the reason he put up those numbers is because of how well he fit with the Colorado Avalanche's speed system - the Rangers aren't a speed team, they're a forecheck and boardplay team. Fleischman is a pretty soft player, and would not fit in anyway. He's not a 1st line player, nor is he versatile enough to play on any of the other lines. Well, for this team at least. Which is why I'm against giving him such a huge payday, let alone him having a major health condition.

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I'm going off the board and saying I am HOPING the Rangers sign Zenon Konopka on a 2-year deal to anchor the 4th line. The guy is all guts and hard-work, will drop the gloves, and is a FANTASTIC face-off guy, something this team needs help on. He hits and goes hard to the net.

Kreider/Grachev-Richards-Gaborik
Dubinsky-Anisimov-Callahan
Kreider/Grachev-Stepan-MZA/Thomas
Boyle-Konopka-Prust
Christensen, Fedotenko

Staal-Girardi
Ehrhoff/McDonagh-Sauer/Bieksa (sign one of Bieksa/Ehrhoff)
McDonagh/Valentenko-Sauer/Montador/Gill
Gilroy

Hank
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How are we to afford all of these players, though? Richards alone is a stretch, let alone a very good 4th line center, a premium puck mover, and a veteran 3rd pairing defenseman. Those 3 alone could cost 8m combined, possibly more. We need that space to sign Richards, although I could see MAYBE getting both the 4th line center and a 3rd pairing dman. I just think that the PMDs are going to be FAR out of our price range, and that they could be a big time risk.

Ehrhoff was mediocre until he got traded to Vancouver...where he plays on a powerplay with two 100 point near telepathic brothers and a 41 goal Selke candidate. Yes, he has good offensive instincts and a very good shot - but why would we need him with Richards here? He provides the same as a powerplay quarterback, and could cost up to 5.5-6.5m, which could easily become a Brian Campbell type albatross. And even Pitkanen, who I am a fan of, is a MAJOR wildcard. At times, he looks like a shoe-in Norris candidate, and others, he's barely NHL caliber. I don't want anymore weak minded players. Wolski, Christensen, Gilroy....you don't win in the NHL with these players in major roles.

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I know that defense may be a bit confusing but I believe the Rangers NEED to sign another top-4 defenseman who can move the puck and play on the PP. Bieksa and Ehrhoff can do just that. Both are warriors and will lay the big hit as well as the fact that Bieksa will fight if need be.
Now Bieksa is a player that is quite interesting...he has a very solid year for Vancouver, but he's had his injury troubles over the past few seasons, and was barely a 3rd pairing defenseman last year - he was not impressive. If he can keep up his play from this year, he's an excellent 2nd pairing defenseman who can add a powerplay presence and right handed one time option on the powerplay - but, again, can he come at a cost effective price? If we could get him on a deal something similar to 3m/3yrs, I would be ecstatic, but I see him garnering 4m+ on the open market - he's a defenseman that coaches and GMs PINE for. Tough, physical, can move the puck, and is a warrior.

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Trade first round pick(#15)and second round pick(#45)to the Minnesota Wild for their first round pick(#10). The Wild traded their 2nd round pick to Boston for Chuck Kobasaw. They don't have a 2nd. Rangers move up and still have the Caps 2nd round pick.

Trade the 3rd round pick in 2012 to the Stars for the negotiating rights to Brad Richards. Gives the Rangers 6 days to negotiate a contract with Pat Morris.

Week of June 27th

Buyout Wojtek Wolski- $466,667 cap hit.

Trade Chris Drury to Columbus for Mike Commodore. Drury waives NMC and Columbus buys him out making him a free agent. Commodore has an extra year on his contract and makes nearly $2M more in combined salary. Columbus will reportedly buy out Commodore if they can not trade him. Buying out Drury is $1.2M cheaper and they take only two years instead of four years of cap hits. Rangers have Commodore's $3.75M on their summer cap but assign him to CT on the first day of waivers. 12 days before the regular season begins.

Prospects camp begins on June 27. Put a full court press on Chris Kreider.

QO's are due on 6/27-Ryan Callahan,Brandon Dubinsky,Artem Anisimov,Brian Boyle and Michael Sauer.

Re-sign Matt Gilroy-2 years-$2.4M. $1.2M cap hit.

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Trade first round pick(#15)and second round pick(#45)to the Minnesota Wild for their first round pick(#10). The Wild traded their 2nd round pick to Boston for Chuck Kobasaw. They don't have a 2nd. Rangers move up and still have the Caps 2nd round pick.

Trade the 3rd round pick in 2012 to the Stars for the negotiating rights to Brad Richards. Gives the Rangers 6 days to negotiate a contract with Pat Morris.

Week of June 27th

Buyout Wojtek Wolski- $466,667 cap hit.

Trade Chris Drury to Columbus for Mike Commodore. Drury waives NMC and Columbus buys him out making him a free agent. Commodore has an extra year on his contract and makes nearly $2M more in combined salary. Columbus will reportedly buy out Commodore if they can not trade him. Buying out Drury is $1.2M cheaper and they take only two years instead of four years of cap hits. Rangers have Commodore's $3.75M on their summer cap but assign him to CT on the first day of waivers. 12 days before the regular season begins.

Prospects camp begins on June 27. Put a full court press on Chris Kreider.

QO's are due on 6/27-Ryan Callahan,Brandon Dubinsky,Artem Anisimov,Brian Boyle and Michael Sauer.

Re-sign Matt Gilroy-2 years-$2.4M. $1.2M cap hit.
Who else do you think the Rangers will pursue via FA/trade.

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torts really isnt high on drury coming back from the sound of this interview.

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More BS being spewed around. How do you know what Richards wants and what we need to "lure" him here? You think he's drooling over playing with a guy who scored 0 goals in 12 games down the stretch where every game mattered on whether we make the playoffs or not, and then scored 1 goal in 5 playoff games and giftwrapped the other team's double overtime game-winner in game 4? Yea, we can't lose THAT! We all know what Gaborik is CAPABLE of. We also all know what Christensen is CAPABLE of. The reality of what they will produce from this point on is what concerns those of us with enough foresight to realize that we probably aren't winning a cup with Gaborik at the forefront. He's just not a warrior. He's not a guy who will battle through multiple checks to get a scoring chance. He's easily neutralized, often injured, and rather one-dimensional. He may score 50 next to Richards. Hell, he may score 60. But I'm not interested in touting individual accomplishments. I want a cup and this team has more than a few of the right pieces. It's players like Lundqvist, Staal, Dubinsky, Girardi and Callahan who will attract a smart, mature player like Richards. Not an uninvolved perimeter primadonna like Gaborik. Richards knows the type of players it takes to win a cup. Those I just mentioned are exactly the recipe. Guys who will go through a wall for the team and will amp their game up in the playoffs make all the difference.

I also laughed out loud at you saying "we might as well trade Anisimov, etc and become the Flyers!" as if that's a bad thing. First of all, I would trade Anisimov for the RIGHT return. There's a right return for almost every player. Even Crosby. Would you not trade Crosby for Ovechkin, Backstrom, and Laich? Yeah man, it would SUCK to become a deep, mature, physical team that just went to the finals with a pair of AHL goalies. If we were anywhere near the Flyers' level, with Lundqvist, we'd be winning 16 straight in the playoffs. Yea, let's build against the Flyers model with more Gaboriks, Wolskis, and Christensens. Let's get more players who won't even hustle enough to negate an icing race that they're already winning. ****ing Wolski.
More BS? Dude get a ****ing clue! Top tier free agents sign with teams for a combination of 3 reasons, 1 being the money, 2 being the best chance to win, and 3 being they want to sign in a city where they can be with their family. If Richards decides to come here you better hope it isn't for the money or we are reverting to the pre-lockout Ranger days.

If you think Brad Richards doesn't want to play with an elite sniper in Marian Gaborik just please stop posting here and go find another hobby, cause playmaking centers wants to play with elite finishers. You find me an article or an interview with another player who doesn't have something nice to say about playing with Gaborik, you won't. The guy had a bad year, teams key in on him. Can you understand that concept? When he was injured opposing teams said it made their job so much easier cause they could completely change their game plan.

Sounds like you are really mad the guy made a mistake in the playoffs, hey you want to hold it against him, go for it. I am telling you Sather and Torts aren't going to, they are going to get him a top line center to make him better.

You compare Gaborik and Christensen? Dude get ****ing real, Gaborik had 21 goals this season in an off year and thats EC goal TOTALS for the past 3 years... think before you speak.

Gaborik is a primadonna? Based on what, where did this statement even come from and where is this evidence? What are you talking about?

Yeah let's become the Flyers lets trade half our team every off-season and never address having a competent goaltender. That's great they got to the Finals, but they lost and who remembers a loser? Guess they are a huge deal to you, have fun with that. This season they could have acquired Vokoun, to provide stability in net, but nope lets go with a revolving door. They are finally holding onto some key homegrown talent, but for YEARS traded everyone and anyone with no rhyme or reason. They are not the franchise I would want to follow for success, the Red Wings, Pens, and Blackhawks are way more stable franchises to use as your model of success.

You stated we should get rid of Gaborik because he is soft, well we have seen this type of overreaction from the Rangers management before, not sure if you were following this team then but we traded away Nedved and Zubov for Ulf Samuelsson and Robitaille. Yeah that reactionary trade worked out really well for the Rangers, getting rid of skill to add size and experience. This team has plenty of players that fans deem soft, these are usually skilled players that are not grinders. To be successful there is usually a mix of skilled players and grinders. We still lack top tier talent, we need to add some not subtract it.

You seem to really lack reason with some of your retorts, where did I say that I wouldn't trade Gaborik if we got a great return? nowhere... the problem is we are not going to get a great return as TEAMS CAN BUY 1ST LINE TALENT VIA FREE AGENCY, see i made that in caps so you catch it this time. Gaborik's value is low, teams can just buy a 1st line player now as opposed to trade for one. The time to trade him was at the deadline when a desperate team may overpay.


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Just to give perspective on how awesome it would be if Drury just went away:

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Wojtek Wolski ($3.800m) / Brad Richards ($7.000m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
Brandon Dubinsky ($4.250m) / Artem Anisimov ($2.750m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.000m)
Carl Hagelin ($0.662m) / Derek Stepan ($0.875m) / Mats Zuccarello-Aasen ($1.750m)
Sean Avery ($1.937m) / Brian Boyle ($1.500m) / Brandon Prust ($0.800m)
/ Erik Christensen ($0.925m) / Derek Boogaard ($1.625m)

DEFENSEMEN
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Daniel Girardi ($3.325m)
Ryan McDonagh ($1.300m) / Mike Sauer ($1.400m)
Michael Del Zotto ($1.087m) / Tomas Kundratek ($0.816m)
/ Matt Gilroy ($1.100m)

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m) / Martin Biron ($0.875m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $62,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $60,129,166; BONUSES: $1,750,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $2,070,834

That's with $2 million in cap space with Boogaard and Christensen still on the roster.

Edit: And with some generous raises in there too.

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Oh, and to the person who suggested Campbell for Gaborik - you should watch NHL hockey, it's pretty neat.

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Trade first round pick(#15)and second round pick(#45)to the Minnesota Wild for their first round pick(#10). The Wild traded their 2nd round pick to Boston for Chuck Kobasaw. They don't have a 2nd. Rangers move up and still have the Caps 2nd round pick.

Trade the 3rd round pick in 2012 to the Stars for the negotiating rights to Brad Richards. Gives the Rangers 6 days to negotiate a contract with Pat Morris.

Week of June 27th

Buyout Wojtek Wolski- $466,667 cap hit.

Trade Chris Drury to Columbus for Mike Commodore. Drury waives NMC and Columbus buys him out making him a free agent. Commodore has an extra year on his contract and makes nearly $2M more in combined salary. Columbus will reportedly buy out Commodore if they can not trade him. Buying out Drury is $1.2M cheaper and they take only two years instead of four years of cap hits. Rangers have Commodore's $3.75M on their summer cap but assign him to CT on the first day of waivers. 12 days before the regular season begins.

Prospects camp begins on June 27. Put a full court press on Chris Kreider.

QO's are due on 6/27-Ryan Callahan,Brandon Dubinsky,Artem Anisimov,Brian Boyle and Michael Sauer.

Re-sign Matt Gilroy-2 years-$2.4M. $1.2M cap hit.
Richards will cost more than a 3rd round pick, Hamhuis costed Parent and then was flipped for a 3rd round pick. For negotiating rights they are going to want a player back, not just a pick.

Why not just buyout Drury ourselves as opposed to burying another contract in the minors, a contract with 2 years still on it? You already have them buying out Wolski, if they buy out Drury they can afford to get Richards and Pitkanen for sure and probably a Gagne, Cole, or Jokinen type player. I don't see Sather adding Commodore for the AHl death sentence to keep Redden company.

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How are we to afford all of these players, though? Richards alone is a stretch, let alone a very good 4th line center, a premium puck mover, and a veteran 3rd pairing defenseman. Those 3 alone could cost 8m combined, possibly more. We need that space to sign Richards, although I could see MAYBE getting both the 4th line center and a 3rd pairing dman. I just think that the PMDs are going to be FAR out of our price range, and that they could be a big time risk.

Ehrhoff was mediocre until he got traded to Vancouver...where he plays on a powerplay with two 100 point near telepathic brothers and a 41 goal Selke candidate. Yes, he has good offensive instincts and a very good shot - but why would we need him with Richards here? He provides the same as a powerplay quarterback, and could cost up to 5.5-6.5m, which could easily become a Brian Campbell type albatross. And even Pitkanen, who I am a fan of, is a MAJOR wildcard. At times, he looks like a shoe-in Norris candidate, and others, he's barely NHL caliber. I don't want anymore weak minded players. Wolski, Christensen, Gilroy....you don't win in the NHL with these players in major roles.



Now Bieksa is a player that is quite interesting...he has a very solid year for Vancouver, but he's had his injury troubles over the past few seasons, and was barely a 3rd pairing defenseman last year - he was not impressive. If he can keep up his play from this year, he's an excellent 2nd pairing defenseman who can add a powerplay presence and right handed one time option on the powerplay - but, again, can he come at a cost effective price? If we could get him on a deal something similar to 3m/3yrs, I would be ecstatic, but I see him garnering 4m+ on the open market - he's a defenseman that coaches and GMs PINE for. Tough, physical, can move the puck, and is a warrior.
Just to show that it can in fact work:

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Brandon Dubinsky ($4.000m) / Brad Richards ($6.700m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
Chris Kreider ($1.000m) / Derek Stepan ($0.875m) / Ryan Callahan ($3.800m)
Evgeny Grachev ($0.816m) / Artem Anisimov ($1.900m) / Mats Zuccarello-Aasen ($1.750m)
Brian Boyle ($1.600m) / Zenon Konopka ($0.850m) / Brandon Prust ($0.800m)
Ruslan Fedotenko ($1.000m) / Erik Christensen ($0.925m) /
/ Chris Drury ($3.716m)

DEFENSEMEN
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Daniel Girardi ($3.325m)
Ryan McDonagh ($1.300m) / Mike Sauer ($1.500m)
Pavel Valentenko ($0.850m) / Christiian Ehrhoff ($4.500m)
Matt Gilroy ($1.000m)

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m) / Martin Biron ($0.875m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $63,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $61,432,666; BONUSES: $2,187,500
CAP SPACE (24-man roster): $1,567,334


And that is with 3 spares (which will never happen with Torts as coach.

Wolski traded.
Avery and Boogard sent down to the AHL.
Drury bought out.

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Just to give perspective on how awesome it would be if Drury just went away:

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Wojtek Wolski ($3.800m) / Brad Richards ($7.000m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
Brandon Dubinsky ($4.250m) / Artem Anisimov ($2.750m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.000m)
Carl Hagelin ($0.662m) / Derek Stepan ($0.875m) / Mats Zuccarello-Aasen ($1.750m)
Sean Avery ($1.937m) / Brian Boyle ($1.500m) / Brandon Prust ($0.800m)
/ Erik Christensen ($0.925m) / Derek Boogaard ($1.625m)

DEFENSEMEN
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Daniel Girardi ($3.325m)
Ryan McDonagh ($1.300m) / Mike Sauer ($1.400m)
Michael Del Zotto ($1.087m) / Tomas Kundratek ($0.816m)
/ Matt Gilroy ($1.100m)

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m) / Martin Biron ($0.875m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $62,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $60,129,166; BONUSES: $1,750,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $2,070,834

That's with $2 million in cap space with Boogaard and Christensen still on the roster.

Edit: And with some generous raises in there too.
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I would love for Drury to retire, but his coming back for the last game of the season and playoffs shows he thinks he has some game left still. He isn't going to retire, though we all wish he would. I have no problem with your lines, except Fedotenko will be back unless they lowball him and Torts made it sound like he wants Vinny back in his interview today. One of Hagelin or Zuccs will be in the minors to start.

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Just to show that it can in fact work:

And that is with 3 spares (which will never happen with Torts as coach.

Wolski traded.
Avery and Boogard sent down to the AHL.
Drury bought out.
It's definitely an interesting concept - but it seems like a LOT of shuffling, and Sather might not want to have a disgruntled Avery disturbing the youngins' down on the Whale, as well as Boogaard. It's a LOT of money to bury to add even MORE.

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It's definitely an interesting concept - but it seems like a LOT of shuffling, and Sather might not want to have a disgruntled Avery disturbing the youngins' down on the Whale, as well as Boogaard. It's a LOT of money to bury to add even MORE.
I understand. It would be possible to NOT re-sign Fedotenko and to move Christensen and just replace them with Avery(~1.9 million) as the spare forward.

Also, I REALLY don't think Ehrhoff or Bieksa will be getting paid top dollar by anyone. Both are good 2nd pairing defensmen and should be paid accordingly. 3.5-4.5 million would be the range I would be comfortable with.

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