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04-26-2011, 08:25 PM
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I understand. It would be possible to NOT re-sign Fedotenko and to move Christensen and just replace them with Avery(~1.9 million) as the spare forward.

Also, I REALLY don't think Ehrhoff or Bieksa will be getting paid top dollar by anyone. Both are good 2nd pairing defensmen and should be paid accordingly. 3.5-4.5 million would be the range I would be comfortable with.
I'm really not comfortable paying either of those players more than 3.5 million per season. The concern is predicated on the fact that I am just not sure how effective they will be offensively away from the powerhouse offense of the Canucks.

I do like Ehrhoff a lot, though, and I would love him at 3.5 per year. Bieksa...eh, I'm not a huge fan. I know he had a good year this year, but he's got an injury history and a history of inconsistency.

IF we're going to go after a free agent defenseman (and that's a big if), here are the realistic targets we should be considering:

Kaberle (unlikely, he'll probably stay in Boston)
Brewer
Pitkanen
Ehrhoff
I. White
Babchuk (probably will stay in CGY)

I'd also look into picking up Ericsson if he's available. He's worth taking a flier on. Could be a great pickup.

As far as forwards go, it's really Richards and nothing else.

I doubt he'll leave Nashville (if he doesn't retire altogether) but I'd love a cheap one-year deal for Steve Sullivan. He'll probably miss 20-30 games with injuries, but maybe he can regain his scoring touch for one last time.

Fleischmann is probably going to get overpaid, hopefully not by us. I'm sure that if we don't get Richards, Connolly will be on our radar. I'm not a big fan, personally.

If we don't get Richards, he are are a few guys I wouldn't mind looking at: Brunette, Jussi Jokinen, Ryan Shannon, Scottie Upshall, Jeff Halpern, Mike Rupp

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04-26-2011, 08:36 PM
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I'm really not comfortable paying either of those players more than 3.5 million per season. The concern is predicated on the fact that I am just not sure how effective they will be offensively away from the powerhouse offense of the Canucks.

I do like Ehrhoff a lot, though, and I would love him at 3.5 per year. Bieksa...eh, I'm not a huge fan. I know he had a good year this year, but he's got an injury history and a history of inconsistency.

IF we're going to go after a free agent defenseman (and that's a big if), here are the realistic targets we should be considering:

Kaberle (unlikely, he'll probably stay in Boston)
Brewer
Pitkanen
Ehrhoff
I. White
Babchuk (probably will stay in CGY)

I'd also look into picking up Ericsson if he's available. He's worth taking a flier on. Could be a great pickup.

As far as forwards go, it's really Richards and nothing else.

I doubt he'll leave Nashville (if he doesn't retire altogether) but I'd love a cheap one-year deal for Steve Sullivan. He'll probably miss 20-30 games with injuries, but maybe he can regain his scoring touch for one last time.

Fleischmann is probably going to get overpaid, hopefully not by us. I'm sure that if we don't get Richards, Connolly will be on our radar. I'm not a big fan, personally.

If we don't get Richards, he are are a few guys I wouldn't mind looking at: Brunette, Jussi Jokinen, Ryan Shannon, Scottie Upshall, Jeff Halpern, Mike Rupp
I would go as high as 4.5 for Ehrhoff. I think he is incredibly underrated around the league. He has a very heavy shot and while he isnt a PP QB, he is more than adequate as a trigger man. He has a very good outlet pass and is only 27.

Rupp is definitely intriguing as a 4th liner. He would look good next to Boyle and Prust as well if they want to keep Boyle at center. I still like Konopka for his face-off abilities.

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04-26-2011, 08:37 PM
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Oh, and to the person who suggested Campbell for Gaborik - you should watch NHL hockey, it's pretty neat.
Would that be the league where Gaborik scored 1 giftwrapped tap-in goal in the final ~18 games? Oh, that league. Gotcha. Keep the smart, elaborate posts coming.

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04-26-2011, 08:37 PM
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Now Scottie Upshall is a player I could see us signing. He fits the mold of this team to a tee.

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Now Scottie Upshall is a player I could see us signing. He fits the mold of this team to a tee.
Where would he fit though? He isn't a 1st liner. This team has enough undersized 3rd liners.

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04-26-2011, 08:40 PM
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Where would he fit though? He isn't a 1st liner. This team has enough undersized 3rd liners.
I don't really want him - I could see the Rangers signing him, though, and trying to put him with Richards and Gaborik.

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04-26-2011, 08:42 PM
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The thing is...where is Ehrhoff going to play? Are you going to move McDonagh down to the third pair? That wouldn't be the most outrageous thing in the world, but I don't think it's necessary.

I'd really much rather try and package Girardi at some point and try to get a real top pairing offensive defenseman to play with Staal. Ehrhoff is a very nice player, but he's not a legit top pairing guy.

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I don't really want him - I could see the Rangers signing him, though, and trying to put him with Richards and Gaborik.
Highest point total was 34. I would rather Fedotenko as I know he fits with the Rangers system. Now Jokinen is a whole other matter unto itself. He would be a very solid signing. Same with Gagne.

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04-26-2011, 08:44 PM
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I'm really not comfortable paying either of those players more than 3.5 million per season. The concern is predicated on the fact that I am just not sure how effective they will be offensively away from the powerhouse offense of the Canucks.

I do like Ehrhoff a lot, though, and I would love him at 3.5 per year. Bieksa...eh, I'm not a huge fan. I know he had a good year this year, but he's got an injury history and a history of inconsistency.

IF we're going to go after a free agent defenseman (and that's a big if), here are the realistic targets we should be considering:

Kaberle (unlikely, he'll probably stay in Boston)
Brewer
Pitkanen
Ehrhoff
I. White
Babchuk (probably will stay in CGY)

I'd also look into picking up Ericsson if he's available. He's worth taking a flier on. Could be a great pickup.

As far as forwards go, it's really Richards and nothing else.

I doubt he'll leave Nashville (if he doesn't retire altogether) but I'd love a cheap one-year deal for Steve Sullivan. He'll probably miss 20-30 games with injuries, but maybe he can regain his scoring touch for one last time.

Fleischmann is probably going to get overpaid, hopefully not by us. I'm sure that if we don't get Richards, Connolly will be on our radar. I'm not a big fan, personally.

If we don't get Richards, he are are a few guys I wouldn't mind looking at: Brunette, Jussi Jokinen, Ryan Shannon, Scottie Upshall, Jeff Halpern, Mike Rupp
Good post.

However I would stay away from guys like Brunette and Halpern. They smell like Prospal 2.0

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04-26-2011, 08:46 PM
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I rather have Babchuk or Markov if he's going to be cheap.

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The thing is...where is Ehrhoff going to play? Are you going to move McDonagh down to the third pair? That wouldn't be the most outrageous thing in the world, but I don't think it's necessary.

I'd really much rather try and package Girardi at some point and try to get a real top pairing offensive defenseman to play with Staal. Ehrhoff is a very nice player, but he's not a legit top pairing guy.
Ehrhoff is a very good 2nd pairing defenseman and that is exactly where I would play him. Let McDonagh develop playing on the PK and 17-18 minutes a night for a full season. The Rangers got lucky this season with their lack of serious injuries on the back-end. Having another top-4 defenseman would be the best thing moving forward.

Staal-Girardi
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McDonagh-_______

Cuts down on the minutes Staal and Girardi have to play and increases depth.

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Good post.

However I would stay away from guys like Brunette and Halpern. They smell like Prospal 2.0
Prospal has been a tremendous success for this team, so I'm not sure what that means. All three are completely different players, too.

I know they're old, but they're both very good at what they do. Halpern is a very solid veteran defensive center who is good at faceoffs. If we get rid of Drury, Halpern could be a nice and cheap replacement for him.

Brunette is one of the more underrated wings in the league and always has been. Very heady and utilitarian player.

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I'm really not comfortable paying either of those players more than 3.5 million per season. The concern is predicated on the fact that I am just not sure how effective they will be offensively away from the powerhouse offense of the Canucks.

I do like Ehrhoff a lot, though, and I would love him at 3.5 per year. Bieksa...eh, I'm not a huge fan. I know he had a good year this year, but he's got an injury history and a history of inconsistency.

IF we're going to go after a free agent defenseman (and that's a big if), here are the realistic targets we should be considering:

Kaberle (unlikely, he'll probably stay in Boston)
Brewer
Pitkanen
Ehrhoff
I. White
Babchuk (probably will stay in CGY)

I'd also look into picking up Ericsson if he's available. He's worth taking a flier on. Could be a great pickup.

As far as forwards go, it's really Richards and nothing else.

I doubt he'll leave Nashville (if he doesn't retire altogether) but I'd love a cheap one-year deal for Steve Sullivan. He'll probably miss 20-30 games with injuries, but maybe he can regain his scoring touch for one last time.

Fleischmann is probably going to get overpaid, hopefully not by us. I'm sure that if we don't get Richards, Connolly will be on our radar. I'm not a big fan, personally.

If we don't get Richards, he are are a few guys I wouldn't mind looking at: Brunette, Jussi Jokinen, Ryan Shannon, Scottie Upshall, Jeff Halpern, Mike Rupp
Connolly would be a silly move. Really awful signing if it were to happen.

Offensively the only guys I look at are Richards, Leino, Jokinen, Sullivan, and Fleischmann.
Defensively: Babchuk, Markov, Pitkanen, Erhoff, Wiz

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I rather have Babchuk or Markov if he's going to be cheap.
babchuk has a nice hard shot. the rest of his game is pretty below average.

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babchuk has a nice hard shot. the rest of his game is pretty below average.
If they are going to do that can they please just sign MAB and play him sparingly on the 4th line and on the 1st PP unit? Give him about 6-7 minutes a game and the Rangers PP would be much better.

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babchuk has a nice hard shot. the rest of his game is pretty below average.
He's like what Matt Gilroy was supposed to be.

Personally I wouldn't mind sticking Babchuk on the bottom pair and having him get a bulk of his time on the PP. Kinda like a McCabe but actually good.

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babchuk has a nice hard shot. the rest of his game is pretty below average.
Not really. There are inconsistencies from time to time but to call his game below avg outside of his shot is false. He's a gritty in your face d-men. Far from a Lisin

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He's like what Matt Gilroy was supposed to be.

Personally I wouldn't mind sticking Babchuk on the bottom pair and having him get a bulk of his time on the PP. Kinda like a McCabe but actually good.
Really don't see the Gilroy comparison at all. Not sure i'd even mention the 2 in the same sentence. One struggles to contain players along the boards far too frequently, the other not so much.

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If they are going to do that can they please just sign MAB and play him sparingly on the 4th line and on the 1st PP unit? Give him about 6-7 minutes a game and the Rangers PP would be much better.
Babchuk is more than just his shot. He's a solid d-men. MAB is a disaster waiting to happen.

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Babchuk is more than just his shot. He's a solid d-men. MAB is a disaster waiting to happen.
Babchuk is a below average 3rd pairing defenseman. However, he is a very good PP defenseman. That is why he is back in the NHL.

MAB on the 4th line wouldnt be a disaster because he would barely see the ice unless on a PP. He would be a PP specialist.

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Ehrhoff is going to get at least $5 million maybe as much as $6 plus an NMC. I love the guy; one of the most underrated in the NHL but it's either going to be him OR Richards not both.

I'd stay away from Markov; over 30 with two knee operations; big no.

Pitkannen is a darn good player although he plays with an edge so he's guaranteed to miss at least 10-15 games a year. He'd be my #2 defensive target after Ehrhoff.

Fleischman might be a good stop gap. Gotta make sure he's healthy.

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Yea, I would not put MAB on the 4th line and have him as a PP specialist, only playing him 6 minutes is a waste of a forward spot.

Most likely our 4th line next year is: Feds - BB - Prust and they will be playing 10-12 minutes a night.

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Ehrhoff is a very good 2nd pairing defenseman and that is exactly where I would play him. Let McDonagh develop playing on the PK and 17-18 minutes a night for a full season. The Rangers got lucky this season with their lack of serious injuries on the back-end. Having another top-4 defenseman would be the best thing moving forward.

Staal-Girardi
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Cuts down on the minutes Staal and Girardi have to play and increases depth.
I have no problem with adding Ehrhoff, the only thing I would do differently is this

Staal-Girardi
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Ehrhoff/Pitkanen-Valentenko/McIlrath
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This way we have a 3rd pair that can get a bunch of minutes (cuts down on icetime of the first 2 pairs) and we have 2 shutdown defensive pairings.

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Yea, I would not put MAB on the 4th line and have him as a PP specialist, only playing him 6 minutes is a waste of a forward spot.

Most likely our 4th line next year is: Feds - BB - Prust and they will be playing 10-12 minutes a night.
Someone has play a minimal amount of time in order for those players to get those minutes. You cant play the first 2 lines (Gaborik, Richards, Anisimov, Dubinsky, Callahan) 20+ minutes or so and the 4th line 12 minutes a game. If nothing else just move Boyle and Prust up and double-shift someone like Dubinsky or Stepan.

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Babchuk is a below average 3rd pairing defenseman. However, he is a very good PP defenseman. That is why he is back in the NHL.

MAB on the 4th line wouldnt be a disaster because he would barely see the ice unless on a PP. He would be a PP specialist.
Totally disagree. I think at worst he's an average 3rd pairing d-men. We understand his power play specialties. That's a given. But, he also has a nasty edge to his game. Another thing he's underrated in is shot blocking. I think many of you are cutting him short. Let's not forget he's only 26 and only recently has began to fill into his frame. He started off at 6'2 200, now is 6'5 214 LBS.

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