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04-26-2011, 10:08 PM
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Someone has play a minimal amount of time in order for those players to get those minutes. You cant play the first 2 lines (Gaborik, Richards, Anisimov, Dubinsky, Callahan) 20+ minutes or so and the 4th line 12 minutes a game. If nothing else just move Boyle and Prust up and double-shift someone like Dubinsky or Stepan.
I guess, but I still think there are better options to have a PP specialist that doesn't take up a forward spot, personally.

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Really don't see the Gilroy comparison at all. Not sure i'd even mention the 2 in the same sentence. One struggles to contain players along the boards far too frequently, the other not so much.
Babchuk is a weird player. He could be so much better than he actually is, but he really is a below average defensive player. He's far from heady in his defensive zone, he gets caught out of position, and his size leaves a LOT to be desired. He has pretty good offensive instincts, though, as well as the big shot, and Richards + Babchuk could be an extremely dangerous PP pairing, as all Babchuk would need to do is stand of to the left of Richards and wait to get the perfect one-timer pass, which is what McCabe should have been doing, but our powerplay as of now didn't have a Richards to do that for him, which is why it failed.

As a 3rd pairing defenseman, to make roughly 1.75m, he'd be a wise investment. But anything over that, and two years, I would stay away. He's Kurtis Foster, basically, but he's better defensively.

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04-26-2011, 10:09 PM
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I have no problem with adding Ehrhoff, the only thing I would do differently is this

Staal-Girardi
McDonagh-Sauer
Ehrhoff/Pitkanen-Valentenko/McIlrath
Gilroy

This way we have a 3rd pair that can get a bunch of minutes (cuts down on icetime of the first 2 pairs) and we have 2 shutdown defensive pairings.
Not sure why you would then want to pay Ehrhoff 4.5 million to play 15-17 minutes a night. If they are going to sign a top-4 defenseman and pay him well then he better be playing close to or above 20 minutes a night.

I really dont think its a terrible idea to play McDonagh 15-17 minutes a night and upgrade his minutes depending on injuries and how everyone is playing. It adds options having another solid minute-eating d-man.

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04-26-2011, 10:12 PM
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Babchuk is a weird player. He could be so much better than he actually is, but he really is a below average defensive player. He's far from heady in his defensive zone, he gets caught out of position, and his size leaves a LOT to be desired. He has pretty good offensive instincts, though, as well as the big shot, and Richards + Babchuk could be an extremely dangerous PP pairing, as all Babchuk would need to do is stand of to the left of Richards and wait to get the perfect one-timer pass, which is what McCabe should have been doing, but our powerplay as of now didn't have a Richards to do that for him, which is why it failed.

As a 3rd pairing defenseman, to make roughly 1.75m, he'd be a wise investment. But anything over that, and two years, I would stay away. He's Kurtis Foster, basically, but he's better defensively.
There have been 2 versions of Babchuk in the past, but of late that's not what I'm seeing. He's beginning to elevate his game. As I said before :
I think at worst he's an average 3rd pairing d-men. We understand his power play specialties. That's a given. But, he also has a nasty edge to his game. Another thing he's underrated in is shot blocking. I think many of you are cutting him short. Let's not forget he's only 26 and only recently has began to fill into his frame. He started off at 6'2 200, now is 6'5 214 LBS.

No doubt about it a Richards and Babchuk duo on the point would be lethal.

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Yes, from my viewings, he seems like a solid shot blocker as well. He has an edge, but sometimes he lets that edge get the best of him. Honestly, he sounds like a player that could be taking a spot away from Valentenko, who I'd rather have play than him - big shot, mean, but he's actually a smart player(although his trigger finger is a little too itchy for my liking), and we don't have enough of those, it seems.

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04-26-2011, 10:16 PM
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Ehrhoff is going to get at least $5 million maybe as much as $6 plus an NMC. I love the guy; one of the most underrated in the NHL but it's either going to be him OR Richards not both.

I'd stay away from Markov; over 30 with two knee operations; big no.

Pitkannen is a darn good player although he plays with an edge so he's guaranteed to miss at least 10-15 games a year. He'd be my #2 defensive target after Ehrhoff.

Fleischman might be a good stop gap. Gotta make sure he's healthy.
If this team buys out Drury and Wolski and the cap goes up to 62.2 Million as expected we have room to add a couple of players...
EC is buried in the minors, MDZ and MZA start the season in Hartford, Boogard will be in Hartford as well or be forced to retire due to symptoms from his last concussion.

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Simon Gagne ($3.000m) / Brad Richards ($7.000m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
Brandon Dubinsky ($4.000m) / Artem Anisimov ($1.850m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.000m)
Sean Avery ($1.937m)/ Derek Stepan ($0.875m) / Carl Hagelin ($0.662m)
Ruslan Fedotenko ($1.250m) / Brian Boyle ($1.850m) / Brandon Prust ($0.800m)

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Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Daniel Girardi ($3.325m)
Ryan McDonagh ($1.300m) / Michael Sauer ($1.250m)
Joni Pitkanen ($4.500m)/ Tomas Kundratek ($.817m)

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Yes, from my viewings, he seems like a solid shot blocker as well. He has an edge, but sometimes he lets that edge get the best of him. Honestly, he sounds like a player that could be taking a spot away from Valentenko, who I'd rather have play than him - big shot, mean, but he's actually a smart player(although his trigger finger is a little too itchy for my liking), and we don't have enough of those, it seems.
You may feel that way, on the other hand I would be interested in seeing a Babchuk-Valentenko pairing. Ruski connection. Pain in the ass to play against.

My first choice would be Babchuk, then Markov at cheap, then Pitkanen.

Staal-Girardi
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04-26-2011, 10:19 PM
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Not sure why you would then want to pay Ehrhoff 4.5 million to play 15-17 minutes a night. If they are going to sign a top-4 defenseman and pay him well then he better be playing close to or above 20 minutes a night.

I really dont think its a terrible idea to play McDonagh 15-17 minutes a night and upgrade his minutes depending on injuries and how everyone is playing. It adds options having another solid minute-eating d-man.
Just because he is on the 3rd pair on paper doesn't mean he will only get 15-17 minutes a night. Does Boyle get 8 minutes a night because he was technically the 4th line center at times this season when we have EC on the first line with Gabby, the Pack line as the 2nd line, Stepan with Woslki and MZA? Ehrhoff will get lots of PP and even strength time, I like having two shutdown pairs though and I am in no rush to seperate McDonagh-Sauer as they worked very well together and hopefully can develop into Staal-Girardi 2.0.


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04-26-2011, 11:35 PM
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How many of those kids do you see getting spots? The expectation will be that the team makes the post season next year...so we can't simply roster players because we want a young team. I'm hopeful a couple of those guys make the cut...but we can't expect that more than 1 or 2 will earn it.
Yeah, well that's what I mean. I don't envision more than 1-2 of those players making the team, but out of that group I expect 1-2 to make it.

Usually 1-3 people can crack the team each year.

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The difference between Foster and Babchuk is more agility and athleticism. Babchuk has a good deal more of both.

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Dubinsky Richards Gaborik
Prospal Anisimov Callahan
Fedotenko Stepan Prust
Drury Boyle Hagelin
Avery

Staal Girardi
Mcdonagh Sauer
Pitkanen Gilroy
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04-27-2011, 12:36 AM
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Ooh, yes, Valentenko-Babchuk is an interesting 3rd pairing.

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04-27-2011, 01:15 AM
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The difference between Foster and Babchuk is more agility and athleticism. Babchuk has a good deal more of both.
Well, yeah, thus, better defensively. Foster's mobility completely got destroyed by that leg injury, and it was already bad enough to begin with.

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04-27-2011, 02:26 AM
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Buy out Chris Drury (or hopefully he retires)
TRADE: Girardi, Anisimov, Wolski, 1st for Lecavalier
TRADE: Gaborik, Kundratek for Jack Johnson and Wayne Simmonds
Sign Brad Richards (I'd go as high as 7.5 million for 6 years)
Re-sign Dubinsky(3.875), Callahan(3.875), Boyle(1.875), Sauer(0.875)
Avery to the minors
Boogard to the minors or retirement


Dubinsky Richards Callahan
Kreider Lecavalier Zuccarello
Grachev Stepan Fedotenko
Simmonds Boyle Prust
Christensen

Staal Johnson
McDonagh Sauer
Del Zotto Eminger/Gilroy
Valentenko or cheap veteran FA (there will be lots this offseason)

Lundqvist
Biron


If LA won't do that deal, we could try:

Gaborik for Ryan Whitney and Sam Gagner
Gaborik + for Shattenkirk/Pietrangelo and Alex Steen
Gaborik for Bogosian and Ladd/Stewart/Wheeler

Those are all possibilities. It's time to get creative. We have no choice. I really think Sather will try long and hard to find a suitor for Gaborik and get a pretty good return. His value is low, but he's still a very good player who could help a lot of teams. I just don't think he's right for ours. We've finally forged an identity and Gaborik isn't it. If we can get an offensive d-man with size and another 2nd-3rd line player with size, while clearing a little bit of cap-space to help us pay for Lecavalier, Richards, and re-sign our RFA's, it'd be such a huge positive for us. Yes, this team would fit under the salary cap if we do everything I mentioned above. GET CREATIVE, GLEN. THINK BIG!

One glaring thing that's being overlooked by most posters here is Girardi's current value. His value will probably never be this high again. Everyone watched him in the Capitals series. He blocked shot after shot and played great defensive hockey against the best offensive player in the world. He was quite obviously even better than Staal in that regard for most of the series. Now I love Girardi (and I was in the minority last season when a lot of you were calling for him to be traded after he didn't jump in when Carcillo fought Gaborik. How quickly your tune changed this season). I am a huge fan of his, but he's not getting any younger and he takes quite a beating every night. I think it'd be a very savvy move to get top value for him while he's a hot commodity. And with our defense being what it is, we can afford to give him up for the right return. Girardi would be a huge help to a team like Tampa Bay. Is Lecavalier at all available? They'd probably like to move his salary at some point. He had a great bounce-back year. I believe he still has plenty left in the tank. (Note: Lecavalier and Richards have played together long before their days in Tampa. They are very good friends who grew up playing together in juniors). Girardi, Anisimov (to help minimize the loss felt at center for Tampa), Wolski (top-9 winger, and for salary purposes), and a 1st round pick for Vinny Lecavalier. This would be huge for us, and it really isn't a bad deal for Tampa. It fills a need and a void for both teams quite well. And it also attracts Richards even more. Richards-Lecavalier as our one-two punch with Stepan and Boyle after that? Unreal. I also love the idea of Zuccarello doing his best Marty St. Louis impression on Vinny's right wing. Thoughts?


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04-27-2011, 08:46 AM
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^^^ sign me up for that return from LA for Gabby.

I doubt Vinny is available, but I'm on board with trading AA and Wolski.

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I disagree.
Boyle was one of our leaders in the regular season with 21 goals. He had the most shots on goal against the Caps and was our best Center against the Caps. It was his first playoff experience ever so clearly he was a bit nervous. I believe if he works on getting his shot up a bit, he will continue to score 20-30 goals per season.
When Boyle struggles to score 10-15 this year, you will understand why everyone is questioning your judgment on him as a #1 center. He has zero play-making ability and creativity... who happens to have a decent shot. He is at best a 3rd line center.

BTW- what blew me away about the line-up you want to see is that it is the same as this years. Seriously? You want to see the same line-up back? Though this team is a hard-working, there has to be a MAJOR increase in scoring talent in the line-up or we are looking at another borderline 8th place finish and an early round exit from the playoffs.

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I do like Ehrhoff a lot, though, and I would love him at 3.5 per year. Bieksa...eh, I'm not a huge fan. I know he had a good year this year, but he's got an injury history and a history of inconsistency.

IF we're going to go after a free agent defenseman (and that's a big if), here are the realistic targets we should be considering:

Kaberle (unlikely, he'll probably stay in Boston)
Brewer
Pitkanen
Ehrhoff
I. White
Babchuk (probably will stay in CGY)

I'd also look into picking up Ericsson if he's available. He's worth taking a flier on. Could be a great pickup.

As far as forwards go, it's really Richards and nothing else.

I doubt he'll leave Nashville (if he doesn't retire altogether) but I'd love a cheap one-year deal for Steve Sullivan. He'll probably miss 20-30 games with injuries, but maybe he can regain his scoring touch for one last time.

Fleischmann is probably going to get overpaid, hopefully not by us. I'm sure that if we don't get Richards, Connolly will be on our radar. I'm not a big fan, personally.

If we don't get Richards, he are are a few guys I wouldn't mind looking at: Brunette, Jussi Jokinen, Ryan Shannon, Scottie Upshall, Jeff Halpern, Mike Rupp
The Rangers already have their top 4 D. They will be looking for an affordable PP shooter who can play in the 5th/6th D spots. As much as I would like a Pitkanen or Ehrhoff... just to add skill to the blue-line, no top D-man is coming here. Sather doesn't have a lot of cap space and will be looking to upgrade the skill at forward. Take that to the bank.

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When Boyle struggles to score 10-15 this year, you will understand why everyone is questioning your judgment on him as a #1 center. He has zero play-making ability and creativity... who happens to have a decent shot. He is at best a 3rd line center.

BTW- what blew me away about the line-up you want to see is that it is the same as this years. Seriously? You want to see the same line-up back? Though this team is a hard-working, there has to be a MAJOR increase in scoring talent in the line-up or we are looking at another borderline 8th place finish and an early round exit from the playoffs.
he'll be lucky to sniff 15 goals. his last 23 games played....1 goal 2 assists, 3 points. over 82 games thats 4 goals, 7 assists, 11 points. that's with rounding up.

I'd be happy with 10 from him.

If Brian Boyle is on our first line, we wont sniff the playoffs.....helllllooooooo lottery pick.

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he'll be lucky to sniff 15 goals. his last 23 games played....1 goal 2 assists, 3 points. over 82 games thats 4 goals, 7 assists, 11 points. that's with rounding up.

I'd be happy with 10 from him.

If Brian Boyle is on our first line, we wont sniff the playoffs.....helllllooooooo lottery pick.
I think Boyle simply tired late in the season. Between this year and last, he almost doubled his ice time from 8:25/game to 15:44/game, playing tougher minutes (he was leaned on heavily on the PK) against tougher competition.

This year may have been an aberration, as I personally felt he got an abnormally high number of soft/fluky goals, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him put up similar numbers next year. I certainly don't see him potting only 10 goals next year.

I also think a move to the wing would help his game, but that's JMO.

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I think its beyond hilarious that anyone would consider Boyle a first line center, he had a good season and tallied one of our highest goal totals o a team that couldn't score for **** on a consistent basis.

My 2011 lineup

Dubi-Richards-Gaborik
Wolski-Anisimov-Callahan
Feds-Stepan-Hagelin/Grachev/MZA
Avery-Boyle-Prust
Prospal??

Girardi-Staal
Sauer-Mcdonagh
MDZ-Vtank

-dubi on the first line because thats where he belongs...
-wolski plays on the second line with two of our best defensive players rather than playing on the first line with gaborik, which would be a backchecking nightmare.
-feds is back I don't see how he can't be brought back
-Boyle and prust stay together and play in defensive situations
-grachev/hagelin/MZA fight for a 3rw spot or 4lw, my money's on hagelin.

-top 4 on the defense stays the same
-vtank earns his spot with his hard work and good shot blocking
-can't see why del zotto wouldn't get his **** together and earn himself a spot.

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Simon Gagne IS resigning in Tampa Bay I would bet a million dollars on that I'm 100% confident in that. Also whoever said they want Tanguay must be high, he is the epitome of perimiter garbage player -- trust me stay FAR away.

Also there are one year stop gap LW (top line) solutions out there and the best one is 37 year old Andrew Brunette. He is a PP performer, can still log 15-20 minutes, and is a naturally talented goal scorer and passer. Look what he did on the Wild just last year!

Not only that but he's essentially an injury free Vinny Prospal. Brunette is DURABLE. Brunette is a beast and physical freak of nature. Guy played on a torn ACL for the rest of the season, had offseason surgery and was back to his 82 game self in no time.

Brunette-Richards-Gaborik = FAST, skilled, AND defensively responsible.... it's a good fit. No doubt he would sign a one year contract for 1.5m.

As far as a puck moving D goes....

James Wiseniewski is a UFA at years end, guy is gifted offensively and is physical. Makes 3.25m this season, will probably garner about that on the FA market. Risky signing, but he's out there.

Joni Pitkanen is UFA at years end, makes 4.0m. Will likely be looking at that same number (give or take). Not physical, but good hard low shot and great outlet passer. Has been a consistent points producer for the most part and definitely adds a threat to the blueline (my pick!)

Roman Hamrlik (UFA). 37 years old, risk signing. Fairly consistent offensively, can step up for bigger minutes if the team faces injuries. Main issues with him are durability and his penchant for taking stupid penalties. Physical player though and probably the best option for all around D and likely cheapest contract (stop gap)

Christian Ehrhoff is a UFA at years end. My guess especially if Vancouver makes a deep run, he will return. If not he would likely command about 4.5 million on the open market. Tough, physical, shot blocking, and can play offense. You have to be hesitant that his stats are a product of Vancouver and San Jose (two offensively gifted teams) -- but could be a great fit on the Rangers.



As far as 7th D go, Grant Clitsome is my choice -- guy seems to have offensive talent and is sound defensively. Might be a guy to sign for cheap and try to catch lightning in a bottle. Only made 550,00.

Radek Martinek - only 34 years old, but very underrated as far as I'm concerned. Sound on D.

Shane O'Brien - tough physical customer, ideal for a 7th or bottom pairing role vs those teams you need that extra element.

Ian White - good overal D, but not spectacular, could easily fill in a 4-6 role on a need-to-need basis.


In The System

Defensemen

Dylan McIlrath - unlikely to make the jump to the NHL this coming season
Pavel Valentenko - could potentially challenege for a spot, hard shot, not offensively gifted
Tomas Kundratek - defensive D, has a shot at making it on the team out of camp
Mikhail Pashnin - two way D, but not offensively gifted might make a good 6/7 guy

Forwards

Chris Kreider
Mats Zuccarello
Carl Hagelin
Tommy Grant

Evgeny Grachev
Ethan Werek
Ryan Bourque
Roman Horak
Andrew Yogan

Christian Thomas
Jesper Fasth
Dale Weise
Chad Kolarik
Dave Kveton

I could see Kreider, Zuccarello, Hagelin, Grachev, Werek, Borque, Thomas, Weise, Kolarik able to break into the lineup, but the only real confident choice in there is Zuccarello. I thnk Grachev is the 2nd best option, then Kreider, Hagelin, and Weise, Kolarik. I thinkt he rest should focus on developing more.

With all that said.....

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FORWARDS
Andrew Brunette ($1.500m) / Brad Richards ($7.000m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
Brandon Dubinsky ($3.850m) / Artem Anisimov ($1.850m) / Ryan Callahan ($3.950m)
Mats Zuccarello-Aasen ($1.750m) / Derek Stepan ($0.875m) / Ruslan Fedotenko ($1.000m)
Raffi Torres ($0.850m) / Brian Boyle ($1.225m) / Brandon Prust ($0.800m)

DEFENSEMEN
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Daniel Girardi ($3.325m)
Ryan McDonagh ($1.300m) / Mike Sauer ($1.200m)
Joni Pitkanen ($3.875m) / Michael Del Zotto ($1.087m)
Grant Clitsome ($0.800m)

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m) / Martin Biron ($0.875m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $62,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $55,462,000; BONUSES: $1,650,000
CAP SPACE (18-man roster): $6,738,000

Does not factor in buyouts for Wolski, Drury, trading Avery, Christensen, or Boogaard. I figure all those guys are gone anyway.

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im not signing a 37 year old 46 point player...not when i could use that spot for a kid.

if im the Rangers, its Richards or bust in the UFA market for forwards, and then i ALSO look to make a trade for a legit 70+ point winger to play with those 2. you can split up gabby, richards, and that other player, put each of em on their own line, and run 3 lines for 18 mins a game with the 4th line being strictly a PK energy type line that gets 4-6 mins, or you can load up with those 3 players, play em 24 mins, and let them carry you. All the great teams have 3 elite forwards. We have 1. Get me Richards, and then get me someone else.

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im not signing a 37 year old 46 point player...not when i could use that spot for a kid.

if im the Rangers, its Richards or bust in the UFA market for forwards, and then i ALSO look to make a trade for a legit 70+ point winger to play with those 2. you can split up gabby, richards, and that other player, put each of em on their own line, and run 3 lines for 18 mins a game with the 4th line being strictly a PK energy type line that gets 4-6 mins, or you can load up with those 3 players, play em 24 mins, and let them carry you. All the great teams have 3 elite forwards. We have 1. Get me Richards, and then get me someone else.
I hear what you are saying...but who do you intend to trade for this 70+ point winger you speak of?

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I hear what you are saying...but who do you intend to trade for this 70+ point winger you speak of?
i'd make everyone available except for: Dubinsky, Callahan, Lundqvist, Gaborik, and Staal.

and id be more willing to part with our better forward prospects...stepan, anisimov, kreider, grachev, etc than our 2 stud defensive prospects in Sauer and McDonagh.


if you made an offer of say, our first, both 2nds, Stepan, Michael Del Zotto and Dylan McIlrath...i think youd get some teams attention.

is it a ton to give up? sure. will it cripple our franchise? absolutely not.

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I think for a left winger to complete the hopefully Richards - Gaborik line there are only a handful of options..

Left wingers worth trading for..

Sharp
Nash
Voracek
Vermette
Booth
Havlat

Left wingers in free agency..

Tanguay
Jokinen
Fleischmann
Parise (RFA)

I could see a variety of options but I wouldn't be upset with any of these acquisitions..I only list Parise because given our depth and solid prospect depth as well I wouldn't be shocked if Sather saw it ok to burn 1st rd draft picks on this guy..

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