imo he's overpaid for what he does and still can't make a good first pass.
If a defenceman is to take up that amount of cap space and play that style of game, he better be really good at the defensive side of things - and Greene is only above average.
Besides, we're drafting Adam ****ing Larsson this year.
It's doubtful that Larsson fixes any problems anytime soon. We need defense to help us now. Unless of course we don't care if we get another lottery pick, but I somehow don't think a lottery pick is what this team is going to be aiming for.
imo he's overpaid for what he does and still can't make a good first pass.
If a defenceman is to take up that amount of cap space and play that style of game, he better be really good at the defensive side of things - and Greene is only above average.
Besides, we're drafting Adam ****ing Larsson this year.
The problem being, any D-man who can play defense really well, why would they sign here (assuming FA)?
Greene, as you said, is above average, and he also brings a lot of what we lack(shot blockers, PK guys, physical guys, defensive D-man).
Ideally we try, through trade or FA, get a guy like Hamhuis(who was a monster last night), but we need to get competitive first.
We really need to surround our talent with guys that do things that our young guys do not.
And I don't think we're getting Larsson unfortunately, even though I think members of this board underestimate his talent immensely.
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My point is I don't want fringe players taking up significant cap space any more on this team. We've already gone through the whole debacle of overpaying Pisani and Stoll. Greene at 3M is way too much for only an above average defensive defenseman with minimal puck skills.
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My point is I don't want fringe players taking up significant cap space any more on this team. We've already gone through the whole debacle of overpaying Pisani and Stoll. Greene at 3M is way too much for only an above average defensive defenseman with minimal puck skills.
If you are an oiler fan you will realize that cap means nothing. First we have a tonne of it, second we have an owner willing to bury contracts in the minors.
You do what PHI, CHI and BOS did. You make yourself a cap team and worry when you run into a problem. Sure CHI moved a lot of players, but if they would've showed up to games 1-3 like 4-7 it wouldn't look as bad now.
You never know what the cap is going to do and saving cap space because you might need it in 2-3 years is just stupid.
I believe he was on SNET around trade deadline and he claimed the Oilers were hot and heavy to trade Smid as they had given up on his development.
I kinda remember that now, but I don't know that I'd take Mcsorley's word. Why would he know this and none of the other guys that like to throw stuff out there know this?
I've had enough with Smid and I know he his still young, but we need to make changes on our defense. Between his injuries and his unwillingness to bring a physical edge during play I don't see room for him anymore. The one thing he does bring that most defensive guys don't is his ability to rush with the puck, but that's not enough for me.
If you are an oiler fan you will realize that cap means nothing. First we have a tonne of it, second we have an owner willing to bury contracts in the minors.
You do what PHI, CHI and BOS did. You make yourself a cap team and worry when you run into a problem. Sure CHI moved a lot of players, but if they would've showed up to games 1-3 like 4-7 it wouldn't look as bad now.
You never know what the cap is going to do and saving cap space because you might need it in 2-3 years is just stupid.
And I believe not keeping an eye on your cap, looking out a few years is equally stupid.
In 2 years, once it's time to re-up Hall, Paajarvi and Eberle, assuming they don't flop between now and then, should take up a good chunk.
And Chicago is the perfect example of cap mismanagement. They basically had to get rid of most of their heart and grit because they couldn't afford them. This year's Hawks <<<< Last year's Hawks - both in the regular season, and in the playoffs.
I kinda remember that now, but I don't know that I'd take Mcsorley's word. Why would he know this and none of the other guys that like to throw stuff out there know this?
Could answer why he would know it, but I will say that the smoke/fire theory may come into play.
He's been in rumors all the time, so it wouldn't shock me.
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I've had enough with Smid and I know he his still young, but we need to make changes on our defense. Between his injuries and his unwillingness to bring a physical edge during play I don't see room for him anymore. The one thing he does bring that most defensive guys don't is his ability to rush with the puck, but that's not enough for me.
Yup agreed. His development has really stalled and even gone backwards. Add in his concussions, and it's really not helping.
With regards to the cap, the more I'm seeing it, the better it is for us to sign Hall and whomever we pick with the 1st overall this year(and maybe Eberle and MPS) to life time contracts after their ELC's are up.
If Hall scores 30 the next two seasons of his ELC, would signing him to a really long term deal be a bad idea?
It'd give us stability in the cap management aspect knowing our franchise player is locked up long term, it'd also give us some idea on what do in terms of working with who we have signed and what not.
Signing Hall till he's around 30-32 would be an ideal situation. He'll be 21 when his ELC is up, so your looking at a 10-11 year deal.
We take a risk, but depending on what we see in terms of growth and potential, it could be worth it.
It's also what Chicago has done with Toews in terms of overall potential and it's working out perfectly for them.
It saves us from facing a Rick Nash type situation where we're paying him through the nose due to us letting him reach his peak.
Is it a risk? Absolutely, but in terms of the type of deals some forwards are getting, and the projection of what Hall should become, I think it could be well worth it.
And I believe not keeping an eye on your cap, looking out a few years is equally stupid.
In 2 years, once it's time to re-up Hall, Paajarvi and Eberle, assuming they don't flop between now and then, should take up a good chunk.
And Chicago is the perfect example of cap mismanagement. They basically had to get rid of most of their heart and grit because they couldn't afford them. This year's Hawks <<<< Last year's Hawks - both in the regular season, and in the playoffs.
Gagner, Nilsson, Cogliano, Smid etc... were suppose to put us in cap hell last year how did that turn out?
CHI knew they were going to have get rid of guys, but people seem to forget that part of the reason they were in cap hell was because they won the cup and Toews won the conn smythe. Them screwing up on RFA contracts didn't help either. Even everything they went through I'm sure management and fans aren't exactly sad that they had an off year. With extra cap space this year they'll be right back fighting for the cup next year, something that not many teams can say.
With the cap going up we should have no problem adding a 3mil guy like Greene to this roster.
Could answer why he would know it, but I will say that the smoke/fire theory may come into play.
He's been in rumors all the time, so it wouldn't shock me.
Yup agreed. His development has really stalled and even gone backwards. Add in his concussions, and it's really not helping.
With regards to the cap, the more I'm seeing it, the better it is for us to sign Hall and whomever we pick with the 1st overall this year(and maybe Eberle and MPS) to life time contracts after their ELC's are up.
If Hall scores 30 the next two seasons of his ELC, would signing him to a really long term deal be a bad idea?
It'd give us stability in the cap management aspect knowing our franchise player is locked up long term, it'd also give us some idea on what do in terms of working with who we have signed and what not.
Signing Hall till he's around 30-32 would be an ideal situation. He'll be 21 when his ELC is up, so your looking at a 10-11 year deal.
We take a risk, but depending on what we see in terms of growth and potential, it could be worth it.
It's also what Chicago has done with Toews in terms of overall potential and it's working out perfectly for them.
It saves us from facing a Rick Nash type situation where we're paying him through the nose due to us letting him reach his peak.
Is it a risk? Absolutely, but in terms of the type of deals some forwards are getting, and the projection of what Hall should become, I think it could be well worth it.
If Hall continues to get better over the next couple years he the team will look at giving him a long term deal like Richards/Carter. Stamkos could really be the kicker here. If he signs some sort of 10 year deal averaging out around 6.5, it will be easier to lock Hall down. At the sametime if the Oilers suck when Hall's entry level deal is set to expire I have my doubts that he gives the Oilers a real good deal.
Lucky for us there are a ton of good ufa dmen this year and we have a lot of money to spend
Ed Jovanovski
Bryan McCabe
Andrei Markov
Scott Hannan
Eric Brewer
Tomas Kaberle
Joni Pitkanen
Kevin Bieksa
Christian Erhoff
James Wisniewski
We sign any 1 of these players, and get a healthy season from Whitney, and all of a sudden our blueline is much better.
While that list seems not bad it really isn't anything special. Considering what you'll have to pay for those guys and the issues surrounding most of those guys. Hamrlik is probably another guy that should be added to that list.
Lucky for us there are a ton of good ufa dmen this year and we have a lot of money to spend
Ed Jovanovski
Bryan McCabe
Andrei Markov
Scott Hannan
Eric Brewer
Tomas Kaberle
Joni Pitkanen
Kevin Bieksa
Christian Erhoff
James Wisniewski
We sign any 1 of these players, and get a healthy season from Whitney, and all of a sudden our blueline is much better.
Jovanovski--too old and will not be worth the money.
Markov is done as an impact player after two consecutive knee injuries.
McCabe will not sign here--and he's not what we need.
Brewer--meh
Hannan --will sign with a contender.
Kaberle--will sign with a contender
Pitkanen--the Oilers will stay away from him.
Bieksa--will sign with a contender.
Ehrhoff- will sign with a contender.
Wisniewski has bounced around the league. I see him as the only guy out of this list who might sign with the Oilers if they overpay.
Could answer why he would know it, but I will say that the smoke/fire theory may come into play.
He's been in rumors all the time, so it wouldn't shock me.
Yup agreed. His development has really stalled and even gone backwards. Add in his concussions, and it's really not helping.
With regards to the cap, the more I'm seeing it, the better it is for us to sign Hall and whomever we pick with the 1st overall this year(and maybe Eberle and MPS) to life time contracts after their ELC's are up.
If Hall scores 30 the next two seasons of his ELC, would signing him to a really long term deal be a bad idea?
It'd give us stability in the cap management aspect knowing our franchise player is locked up long term, it'd also give us some idea on what do in terms of working with who we have signed and what not.
Signing Hall till he's around 30-32 would be an ideal situation. He'll be 21 when his ELC is up, so your looking at a 10-11 year deal.
We take a risk, but depending on what we see in terms of growth and potential, it could be worth it.
It's also what Chicago has done with Toews in terms of overall potential and it's working out perfectly for them.
It saves us from facing a Rick Nash type situation where we're paying him through the nose due to us letting him reach his peak.
Is it a risk? Absolutely, but in terms of the type of deals some forwards are getting, and the projection of what Hall should become, I think it could be well worth it.
I'd be more than happy if the Oilers threw a 10-15 year deal at Hall. He's by far the best player to play here for a LONG time. Then give Eberle and PRV deals in the 6-8 year range and we're looking good moving forward. If we have the 3 of them, Whitney, and our pick this year(hopefully RNH) all signed for 20-24 million after their elc's we have a shot at being a Detroit like team
Only guys I'd take from that list, taking into account realistic targets (Pitkanen, Kaberle and Erhoff will say no) and benefit to us:
Wisniewski
Hannan
Brewer
I'd consider Jovo-cop.
I'd also steer clear of Bieksa. I have a feeling hes not as good as advertised.
Jovo would be at the top of my list. He would bring some real intensity and leadership all while playing big minutes.
Markov is the wild card. He is the best dman but has barely played the last 2 years. I wonder what the market is going to be like for him. Is any team going to be willing to invest long term in him?
Only guys I'd take from that list, taking into account realistic targets (Pitkanen, Kaberle and Erhoff will say no) and benefit to us:
Wisniewski
Hannan
Brewer
I'd consider Jovo-cop.
I'd also steer clear of Bieksa. I have a feeling hes not as good as advertised.
I will be shocked if WSH lets Hannan go, they really need a veteran defensive d-man on that club. Not only for Alzner and Carlsson, but to help Mike Green who is rounding his game.
Does Tom Poti becoming available for a bag of frito lay chips?
Jovo would be at the top of my list. He would bring some real intensity and leadership all while playing big minutes.
Markov is the wild card. He is the best dman but has barely played the last 2 years. I wonder what the market is going to be like for him. Is any team going to be willing to invest long term in him?
Isn't Jovo one of those guys that loved PHO for the City and not the team? I seem to remember a few years back that they wanted to move him, but before anything solid could happen he said no way. Doubtful he comes here.
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