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04-27-2011, 08:51 PM
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Yea, it's a lot different than the NBA.

The NBA is a star league, you can get away with trading depth, but you can't do that in the NHL.
Didn't work out for the Knicks.

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Didn't work out for the Knicks.
Yea, that's definitely a fair statement when:

1) They only played 25 games together, and MIA basically took the whole year to gel

2) 2 of our top 3 players are injured

3) This is only the beginning of the build

4) They only played 25 games together

5) They only played 25 games together

6) THEY ONLY PLAYED 25 GAMES TOGETHER DAMMIT.

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Girardi, Kreider, Bourque, 1st & 2nd.

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Didn't work out for the Knicks.
I think they only played 25 games together or some number close to that. Not sure though.

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Yea, that's definitely a fair statement when:

1) They only played 25 games together, and MIA basically took the whole year to gel

2) 2 of our top 3 players are injured

3) This is only the beginning of the build

4) They only played 25 games together

5) They only played 25 games together

6) THEY ONLY PLAYED 25 GAMES TOGETHER DAMMIT.
How many games was it again? I keep forgetting...

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04-27-2011, 09:01 PM
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Doesn't matter. It all depends on how the player comes back from the injury. Malkin is young he'll be fine. Richards will most likely be fine too but even mild concussions can have serious repercussions.
The injury and severity of injury sure does matter. And you make it sound like Malkin is some superbeing that is unaffected by injury due to his age. Of course things like age play a factor, but saying that there's no difference between an ACL/MCL tear that's keeping Malkin away from his job for 6+ months as opposed to (what can only be assumed to be) a mild concussion that warranted 9 games off is like saying a broken leg and bruised finger bone are the same thing. The type/severity of the injury plays a huge part in how the player is able to rebound.

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Yea, it's a lot different than the NBA.

The NBA is a star league, you can get away with trading depth, but you can't do that in the NHL.
That's the point that I have been trying to make (obviously in a lot longer, drawn out form)

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That's the point that I have been trying to make (obviously in a lot longer, drawn out form)
Yes but your original proposal was laughable in it's own right.

I understand the point you're trying to make, but you went about trying to prove it poorly.

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we would fill our number 1 center hole but we would open up another 5 or 6 holes in the process

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Yes but your original proposal was laughable in it's own right.

I understand the point you're trying to make, but you went about trying to prove it poorly.
Fair enough, as long as the point was made! Also I'm glad I gave you a good laugh today then!

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04-27-2011, 10:31 PM
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i dont want a guy that said he is tired in the 08 finals. dont trade dubi cally or staal for that ghost

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04-27-2011, 10:57 PM
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i dont want a guy that said he is tired in the 08 finals. dont trade dubi cally or staal for that ghost
I'm sure Malkin's Conn Smythe looks real sexy next to whatever hardware Dubi and Cally have picked up in their careers.

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Malkin looks lazy out there at times. Ovechkin doesn't, other than in the defensive zone at times, but he's a cherry picker, so what do you expect, eh. But Malkin...he just doesn't look like his 08-09 form. That Malkin was a cycling warrior, a bull in the offensive zone and on the wall. The new Malkin gets knocked off the puck rather easily.

I don't think it would be worth the risk of him staying the way he has been. Maybe he'll get another 100 point season soon, but you can't completely gut your team for ONE player who isn't a guarantee. I'm not prepared to give up crazy packages like Callahan, Staal, McDonagh, and a 1st to get him, especially when Richards is available as a UFA.
I'm not arguing about trading for him. I already stated I rather have depth than trade all of it for 1 guy.

What I don't agree with at all is "Malkin isn't the same" or "Malkin won't be the same". I think those are very premature statements.

It's one thing to say you don't want to give up good depth to get him. But to say Malkin has changed and isn't the same or won't be the same is very premature.

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It's hard to judge a player after an off year and then a year where he gets a bad injury about half way through it.

I say Malkin comes back as a man possessed in 11-12. I'd love to be wrong.

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04-27-2011, 11:16 PM
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Gaborik, Staal, Kreider and Stepan/McDonagh. I don't know if I would do it (leaning towards no) but that is what it would take. When Malkin plays his best, he is the best player in hockey, bar NONE. (and I am bias against russians)

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I would be tickled pink if NYR never went after Malkin.

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04-27-2011, 11:34 PM
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I'd love to have Malkin, but the cost would not be worth it. EVERYTHING we've been working toward would be gutted for one player. If pitt traded within the division to us they would make it a certainty that our roster would be heavily depleted of our best young players. They would either want Staal + high picks or 3 or more of our young and good rookies + picks. Not worth it at all when you can get another 1C for just cash in Richards.

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I am going to go against the tide here and say I'd absolutely love to have Malkin. The guy absolutely tore it up when Crosby went down with injury a couple of seasons ago, and picked up the Conn Smythe with a healthy Crosby- as good of a big game player as there is- going full steam.

I think even though his English is halting he would figure out how to fit in the media capital of the world.

He's just an amazing player, I'd give up just about anyone for him not named Hank, Kreider, Cally or Staal.

If San Jose can get Thornton, we can get Malkin. A trade within the division? Unlikely, but stranger things have happened!

Impress us Slats!

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04-28-2011, 12:01 AM
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Chernobyl Gums? To the Rangers? Depends what they're asking for.

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thankfully, ray shero has no intention of trading malkin (especially to a division rival). most fantasy hockey GMs aren't dumb enough to fall for a quantity for quality offer. furthermore, when has malkin ever stated he was "unhappy being #2"? what is this claim based on? (other than wishful thinking)

there's only 2 guys you move malkin for...and one of them already plays for pittsburgh.


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Gaborik, Staal, Kreider and Stepan/McDonagh. I don't know if I would do it (leaning towards no) but that is what it would take. When Malkin plays his best, he is the best player in hockey, bar NONE. (and I am bias against russians)
Leaning towards no? That's massive overpayment, and it would destroy our team. Sure, let's trade our most talented winger, best dman, top prospect and one of our great rookies for a guy coming off a major knee injury. Malkin is a good player, but he isn't worth all that. Not even close.

We could have Malkin.

Or we could have Gaborik, Staal, Kreider, Stepan/McDonagh and Richards.

That's why trading assets for Malkin (among other reasons) makes absolutely no sense. If they were willing to trade him for only futures, then you do it, but we can't afford to give up significant roster players for him. We just aren't good enough.

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Girardi, Kreider, Bourque, 1st & 2nd.
Something tells me Penguins wouldn't be head over heals...

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04-28-2011, 09:08 AM
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I'm sure Malkin's Conn Smythe looks real sexy next to whatever hardware Dubi and Cally have picked up in their careers.
brad richards won a conn smyth too.

malkin can keep his conn smyth. im not saying he isnt in the elite category but outside of the year he won it, what has he done in the playoffs? the answer is nothing except complain how tired he was in the 08 finals registering only 2 or 3 points. i'll keep our guys (if we could get him for nothing i would do that).

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The injury and severity of injury sure does matter. And you make it sound like Malkin is some superbeing that is unaffected by injury due to his age. Of course things like age play a factor, but saying that there's no difference between an ACL/MCL tear that's keeping Malkin away from his job for 6+ months as opposed to (what can only be assumed to be) a mild concussion that warranted 9 games off is like saying a broken leg and bruised finger bone are the same thing. The type/severity of the injury plays a huge part in how the player is able to rebound.
Obviously but I said that because I didn't feel like arguing about the details of the injuries. My point was in the end all that matters is recovery. I wasn't calling Malkin a superhuman I was merely stating that I think he'll be fine his age will factor into his recovery kind of like Prospal and Drury's age factored into theirs. I never tried to say an ACL/MCL tear was less severe than a mild concussion I was saying it depends on the individual and how they approach recovery.

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Girardi, Kreider, Bourque, 1st & 2nd.
And what else?

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