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View Poll Results: Do you think Wiz will sign with the Habs ?
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04-27-2011, 11:39 PM
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Ridiculous thread.



Just getting the wounded back boosts the team tremendously and changes the lineup a lot.

Cammalleri-Plekanec-Kostitsyn (yes, Kostitsyn. he wasn't nearly as bad as people said. he could have had a goal or two tonight with some luck)
Pacioretty-Gomez/anyone else-Gionta

Desharnais-Eller-X (or Pouliot if he takes a serious paycut and/or was fighting injury during the season (who knows?). Palushaj gets a serious shot at this spot. Moen if all else fails)

Moen-Pyatt-White

Darche extra



On defense

Markov-Wisniewski
Gill-Subban
Spacek/Weber-Gorges
Spacek/Weber

If we can trade Spacek then sign Sopel. If Gorges and Subban work well as a pairing then have them together instead of Gill-Subban. Gill's minute should be lower, the poor guy isn't 22...
I like Darche a lot. He's a great team guy, I'd love to have him back.

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04-27-2011, 11:40 PM
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Btw who in their right mind doesn't want to re-sign Desharnais? This guy put up .5 PPG playing 3rd and 4th line minutes with gritty veterans and guys that couldn't score if their life depended on it. He also played very well in the playoffs.

Sure he's small but think about it ; the guy had hundred points seasons a couple of years in a bunch of leagues and is clearly able to play in the NHL. Is it possible, maybe, that like Gionta he's able to play despite his ''short''coming? (excuse the blatant pun )

Guys from 5'6'' to 5'10'' have likely never played against a defensemen smaller than them. They know what to do, and wouldn't be there if they couldn't. Just look at Gionta and Plekanec winning puck battles against friggin' CHARA. Desharnais has superior work ethics, good puck handing, awesome on ice vision, actually good speed, good skill set and very good reflexes. He'll be part of this team for a long time either as a third line special team specialist or even as a top6 player if he keeps progressing (and WHY NOT?)

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I like Darche a lot. He's a great team guy, I'd love to have him back.
Me too... I put him as an extra but I think he could be the ''X'' on Eller's line. He's not getting any younger so it depends on his shape at training camp but so far he's gotten better every year... I'd definetely sign him.

Desharnais-Eller-Darche is a pretty sexy and balanced line actually if Darche is like last year. He brings experience and crease crashing. Eller brings strength, speed and good two way play while Desharnais finishes and creates plays. One is a midget, the others are 6'2'', so it balances out.

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04-27-2011, 11:45 PM
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Sad to see a fairly quick exit after last year's progress, but not entirely surprised given the injury situation this year. It'll suck waiting for next season.

On another note- well, last game in a Habs uniform for....

Sopel, Wisniewski, Mara, Hamrlik, Halpern. It is not a criticism, especially of guys who contributed like Wisniewski, Hamrlik and Halpern, but I don't think they fit the budget going forward.
And last game scratched for Pouliot, I think that experiment is done and done.

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04-27-2011, 11:47 PM
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Sad to see a fairly quick exit after last year's progress, but not entirely surprised given the injury situation this year. It'll suck waiting for next season.

On another note- well, last game in a Habs uniform for....

Sopel, Wisniewski, Mara, Hamrlik, Halpern. It is not a criticism, especially of guys who contributed like Wisniewski, Hamrlik and Halpern, but I don't think they fit the budget going forward.
And last game scratched for Pouliot, I think that experiment is done and done.
I hope they bring Wisniewski back using Hamrlik's salary. He fits right in with the core of this team imho. Guys in their late twenties is who you win with, as they have experience AND energy.


I don't want Hamrlik back, thats for sure. I'd prefer him to Spacek but we can't have both of them. Enough with the 100 year old ''jack of all trades, master of none'' veterans. Its also an opportunity to give a real chance to Weber, he's good and needs icetime at the NHL level.

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Sad to see a fairly quick exit after last year's progress, but not entirely surprised given the injury situation this year. It'll suck waiting for next season.

On another note- well, last game in a Habs uniform for....

Sopel, Wisniewski, Mara, Hamrlik, Halpern. It is not a criticism, especially of guys who contributed like Wisniewski, Hamrlik and Halpern, but I don't think they fit the budget going forward.
And last game scratched for Pouliot, I think that experiment is done and done.
With the cap going up.. I think the Wiz could come back... and if PG finds a way to deal Gomez or decides to bury him in the minor.. the chance to see Wiz back is even higher.

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04-27-2011, 11:48 PM
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With Price, Subban, Plekanec, Gionta, Cammalleri, Markov, Gorges, Pacioretty, Eller, Wisniewski, etc I really like our future. I think that's by far the best core we have had in a very long time.

Now we just somehow have to get rid of Gomez and Spacek.
can u say salary cap

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04-27-2011, 11:50 PM
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With the cap going up.. I think the Wiz could come back... and if PG finds a way to deal Gomez or decides to bury him in the minor.. the chance to see Wiz back is even higher.
U can't bury 7.3 cap hit in the minors and expect to win

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04-27-2011, 11:53 PM
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can u say salary cap
Can you say 21.6 Million? That's the amount we're gona have from our UFA's this post season. Sure some of it is going to serve to resign osme players. But we should have enough to buy a good top 6 (not superstar) if we let many of them go, like Sopel and resigning for significantly (or just let go) less Hamrlik and Gill.

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I don't think Markov will ever play a full season again and I think that he'll be an off and on type guy now that his knee has been ruined.

Assuming a best case scenario though that he is back full time, I'd expect our D to look like this:

Subban Gill
Markov Gorges
Wiz + Mara, Sopel or Weber

That's great for offense. Defensively it's okay but man that's a group that could score.

Goaltending is set.

Our forwards though... it's a bit of a mess as usual. Not enough size and no top end talent other than maybe Cammy who's a 40 goal man. Time for Gomez to go, it's just not working.

Hopefully MaxPac emerges as a solid talent because we desperately need a legit power forward on our team.

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04-27-2011, 11:55 PM
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U can't bury 7.3 cap hit in the minors and expect to win
What? Can you explain this?

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04-28-2011, 12:00 AM
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There is a lot of positives to build off of this season.
  • Carey Price re-emerging as an elite starter
  • PK Subban becoming a legitimate #1 defenseman that plays in all situations
  • Max Pacioretty finding his game in a huge way, the power forward we've lusted for (get better)
  • Lars Eller starting to show flashes of brilliance, especially in these playoffs
  • Mike Cammalleri proving once and for all he is a true playoff warrior and clutch performer
  • Yannick Weber was very solid in the limited use he received this season, IMO he deserves a shot in our Top 6 D next season based on his play
  • David Desharnais has proved he can be a very solid contributor in the NHL, who knows what he can achieve with offensive-minded line mates?
  • Tomas Plekanec had another pretty good season, cementing his spot among the best two-way centers in the game.
  • Brian Gionta is a great captain. He scores big goals and comes to play every single game.

And really just so much more. I'm extremely proud of the season we had with the injuries we did. My biggest hope is that we can add some youth/speed to our blueline next season.

Excellent post JGRB.. The Habs have some great young pieces going forward.. There will be some good times ahead for this team..

PG really needs to add some size to the forward group this off season somehow..

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04-28-2011, 12:03 AM
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the only thing i would do is trade Spacecheck.

we have a good team.

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04-28-2011, 12:04 AM
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U can't bury 7.3 cap hit in the minors and expect to win
Unless you meant the Habs can't afford it, because YES, they can afford spend up to the cap + 7.2m. money isn't a problem unless ownership doesn't want to spend that much money, then players in the minors are not counted against the cap.

Two way contract or not, Gomez would be paid his full salary but it won't count on the cap if he's in the AHL and clears waivers. Thats how NYR and Edmonton got away with Redden and Souray's salaries.

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how much salary can be subrtracted this summer?

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04-28-2011, 12:07 AM
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Honestly, get rid of everyone over 31 except Gionta and Markov, and Darche.

Future looks good though, really loved what I saw of Eller in the playoffs. Wouldn't be shocked at all if he broke 60 points as soon as next season on the right line with PP time.

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04-28-2011, 12:08 AM
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Please get rid of Hamerlik, Gomez, Spacek and Halpern

Please add some toughness and someone who can win a faceoff or two.
heh.

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If ever Brad Richards is interested to play here, Gauthier has to do everything to sign him and then buy out Gomez.. We need to upgrade the center position and its not going to come from the inside... cant win a Stanley cup with Gomer in the line-up..

Hamrlik is gone, 4.5 saved.. was great, thx for everything but his time is done here..

edit: lol Hartley just said the same thing about signing Richards and the send Gomer to the minors..

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If ever Brad Richards is interested to play here, Gauthier has to do everything to sign him and then buy out Gomez.. We need to upgrade the center position and its not going to come from the inside... cant win a Stanley cup with Gomer in the line-up..

Hamrlik is gone, 4.5 saved.. was great, thx for everything but his time is done here..

edit: lol Hartley just said the same thing about signing Richards and the send Gomer to the minors..
If Richards gets injured you have Gomez waiting in the wings

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Martin leads the Canadiens to a first round loss.

Boucher leads the Bolts to a first round win.


That decision made last year will go down as one of the worst in the history of the Canadiens organization.

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If ever Brad Richards is interested to play here, Gauthier has to do everything to sign him and then buy out Gomez.. We need to upgrade the center position and its not going to come from the inside... cant win a Stanley cup with Gomer in the line-up..

Hamrlik is gone, 4.5 saved.. was great, thx for everything but his time is done here..

edit: lol Hartley just said the same thing about signing Richards and the send Gomer to the minors..
I like but I doubt Gomez goes anywhere.. His contract is proving to be a HUGE pain in the butt for the Habs.. Paying a guy over 7 million and no goals in 30 something games is just beyond sad.. That trade certainly wasn't one of Gainey's finest moments as the Habs GM for sure..

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Martin leads the Canadiens to a first round loss.

Boucher leads the Bolts to a first round win.


That decision made last year will go down as one of the worst in the history of the Canadiens organization.
Sooooooooooooooooooooo much more to it.
However i do agree that having Boucher behind our bench would have helped. But its not that easy, habs had no reason/right to fire Martin. Nothing could have been "morally" done to prevent this

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Martin leads the Canadiens to a first round loss.

Boucher leads the Bolts to a first round win.


That decision made last year will go down as one of the worst in the history of the Canadiens organization.
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Boucher has a lot of talent. just with stamkos, i like Montreal winning this series in 5 games.

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Sooooooooooooooooooooo much more to it.
However i do agree that having Boucher behind our bench would have helped. But its not that easy, habs had no reason/right to fire Martin. Nothing could have been "morally" done to prevent this
Didnt have to fire Martin. They could have easily "promoted" him up to some nice cushy job in the front office.

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Martin leads the Canadiens to a first round loss.

Boucher leads the Bolts to a first round win.


That decision made last year will go down as one of the worst in the history of the Canadiens organization.
What choice did the Habs have in letting Boucher go really? They weren't gonna stop him from taking an NHL job and the Habs weren't gonna fire a coach who just got his team to the 3rd round of the playoffs and had 3 years left on his contract to hand the reigns to him..

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