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04-28-2011, 10:31 AM
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Leaning towards no? That's massive overpayment, and it would destroy our team. Sure, let's trade our most talented winger, best dman, top prospect and one of our great rookies for a guy coming off a major knee injury. Malkin is a good player, but he isn't worth all that. Not even close.

We could have Malkin.

Or we could have Gaborik, Staal, Kreider, Stepan/McDonagh and Richards.

That's why trading assets for Malkin (among other reasons) makes absolutely no sense. If they were willing to trade him for only futures, then you do it, but we can't afford to give up significant roster players for him. We just aren't good enough.
While I would prefer to get Richards as our 1st line Center rather then give up that much for Malkin, by the same token we could trade for Malkin and sign Ehrhoff as an UFA, which would lessen the blow of dealing Staal.

All I know is getting Malkin would take a massive overpayment, but you have to remember he is one of the 3 most talented players in the league. He is a SUPERSTAR. I perhaps should have said something more strongly then leaning, but I would still have to consider it.

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Fair enough, as long as the point was made! Also I'm glad I gave you a good laugh today then!
Don't take any crap from that guy! He is a Rebecca Black fan!

Edit: Also, no Malkin. Not only would it take a ****-ton to get him, he's injured a lot, and hasn't looked the same since the Cup run. Even if he is still one of the best.

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No doubt. The kid dominated a Stanley Cup PO's, something Crosby have yet to come close to. Have done it all. Easily have 10 prime years infront of him.

Its helluva players we would be giving up, but to get a top 3 forward like that, you just can't put a value on it.

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04-28-2011, 01:09 PM
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1 Pitt not dealing Malkin at this time; they probably will before his contract is up, but not at present.
2 Unless he is further deteriorated by injury, they will want a premium, and if it's within the division, they'll still deal if it's profitable, but they'll want massive overcompensation.
3 While certain assets NYR has is worth premium to PP, it's not worth it to gut the team.
4 The jury is out; we are all waiting to see how much of a player he is now and will be in the immediate future, and that is only a guess at this point.
5 Pens may be willing to move him and recover cap if they think there is enough to risk gamble he returns to full form against gamble he does not.

In considering all of the above, taking into account what they would want and what we should give up:

6 No trading Kreider. Barring injury, he will be the next Dave Keon.
7 Stepan as a rookie has shown real potential, though he needs to fill out. He would be the real core of a deal.
8. My offer today is:
Stepan, Gaborik, Werek, two #2s for 2011, Biron, flip of #1 picks in 2011
for Malkin + flip of 1s.

PP get Stepan to build, Gaborik (less serious injury, plays W natural complement to Staal, Crosby, and is less $$/cap), Werek supposedly already has pro shot, is bonafide W prospect, Biron is a stopgap option in net, and the picks are beneficial.

That's it, today.
Malkin plays half a season and looks like he never was injured a day in his life, the price goes up; anything else, the price goes down.

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Leaning towards no? That's massive overpayment, and it would destroy our team. Sure, let's trade our most talented winger, best dman, top prospect and one of our great rookies for a guy coming off a major knee injury. Malkin is a good player, but he isn't worth all that. Not even close.

We could have Malkin.

Or we could have Gaborik, Staal, Kreider, Stepan/McDonagh and Richards.

That's why trading assets for Malkin (among other reasons) makes absolutely no sense. If they were willing to trade him for only futures, then you do it, but we can't afford to give up significant roster players for him. We just aren't good enough.
Nah, the biggest factor is that in 3-5 years, Malkin would probably make like 20% of the money as the players we traded for him. Lets say we give up 4 guys who will make like 4-6m USD in 3-5 years, Malkin with his 8m per would earn like 30% of that. Natrually it would suck tremendously to give up Staal, but we could sign a UFA like Kaberle.

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see, the thing about a trade is that you need 2 willing partners. the only way ray shero trades malkin to the rangers is as follows:

1. rangers move out west - they would never trade malkin within the division
2. rangers somehow acquire ovechkin
3. rangers trade ovechkin for malkin

otherwise, ray shero is laughing at you. sorry ny, gonna have to go elsewhere for your long awaited star power. some delusional stuff i'm reading in this thread.

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Don't take any crap from that guy! He is a Rebecca Black fan!

Edit: Also, no Malkin. Not only would it take a ****-ton to get him, he's injured a lot, and hasn't looked the same since the Cup run. Even if he is still one of the best.


And here I thought we had something special

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When I see Malkin and Crosby I think Federov and Yzerman. So that means I expect some MVP caliber seasons from Malkin and then some very lackluster years with that gradual decline. I wouldn't sell the farm for that but I would part with some serious assets to get it done.

Of course if you wipe out your franchise to get a franchise player, is it really worth it. I sure as hell don't want to be Columbus with Federov.

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When I see Malkin and Crosby I think Federov and Yzerman. So that means I expect some MVP caliber seasons from Malkin and then some very lackluster years with that gradual decline. I wouldn't sell the farm for that but I would part with some serious assets to get it done.

Of course if you wipe out your franchise to get a franchise player, is it really worth it. I sure as hell don't want to be Columbus with Federov.
I don't know, why would Crosby be "Yzerman"?

Crosby was a huge passanger when Malkin alone carried the load when they won the Cup in the SCF's against the Red Wings.

The Federov's also had a insane dad etc, there have never been anyone questioning Malkin's attitude.

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I don't know, why would Crosby be "Yzerman"?

Crosby was a huge passanger when Malkin alone carried the load when they won the Cup in the SCF's against the Red Wings.

The Federov's also had a insane dad etc, there have never been anyone questioning Malkin's attitude.
I don't understand this.

Crosby had 15 goals and 31 ****ing points. How is that "doing it alone"?

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Malkin won't get traded here, but you have to wonder if you lead with Gaborik in the offer... that the Pens GM would have to listen. They have been looking for a elite wing to play with Crosby forever.

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So I've been hearing alot of rumors about Malkin getting dealt. Not that I think Pittsburgh would ever dream of trading him within the division, but I was just curious, what would you guys give up for him hypothetically?
They would certainly want Staal for starters....Not a bad "D" pairing right there (Staal + Letang).

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I don't know, why would Crosby be "Yzerman"?

Crosby was a huge passanger when Malkin alone carried the load when they won the Cup in the SCF's against the Red Wings.

The Federov's also had a insane dad etc, there have never been anyone questioning Malkin's attitude.
I went in terms of consistency and longevity. Not really about style or leadership or singular standout performances. If you have to move the pieces necessary to just get him, you better be sure that he's going to be a force for a big number of years.

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You start with Staal heading to Pitts and you work with that.

I would imagine Pitts would move him for something like this if they are forced to move him within the Division and to NEW YORK where he'd become an instant superstar along the likes of Jeter, Manning, Sanchez, Messier, Melo, Amare, Piazza, Ewing, ect, ect, ect


M.Staal
R.Callahan
M.Del Zotto or Kreider
B.Dubinsky
2011 1st & 2nd
2012 1st

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You start with Staal heading to Pitts and you work with that.

I would imagine Pitts would move him for something like this if they are forced to move him within the Division and to NEW YORK where he'd become an instant superstar along the likes of Jeter, Manning, Sanchez, Messier, Melo, Amare, Piazza, Ewing, ect, ect, ect


M.Staal
R.Callahan
M.Del Zotto or Kreider
B.Dubinsky
2011 1st & 2nd
2012 1st
Wouldn't do this even for the pre-injury Malkin,and I'm on record for trying multiple combinations, including realistic overpayment that would be necessary, to get him.

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You start with Staal heading to Pitts and you work with that.

I would imagine Pitts would move him for something like this if they are forced to move him within the Division and to NEW YORK where he'd become an instant superstar along the likes of Jeter, Manning, Sanchez, Messier, Melo, Amare, Piazza, Ewing, ect, ect, ect


M.Staal
R.Callahan
M.Del Zotto or Kreider
B.Dubinsky
2011 1st & 2nd
2012 1st
Thats insane.

Whats the point of acquiring Malkin if you've completely gutted the supporting cast?

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Malkin's not going anywhere with all this Crosby news coming out.

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Steven go get some fresh air. You're right about Richards being easier to acquire but if the opportunity presented itself I'd take Malkin 10 times out of 10 over Richards.
I'd take Malkin 11 times out of 10.

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You start with Staal heading to Pitts and you work with that.

I would imagine Pitts would move him for something like this if they are forced to move him within the Division and to NEW YORK where he'd become an instant superstar along the likes of Jeter, Manning, Sanchez, Messier, Melo, Amare, Piazza, Ewing, ect, ect, ect


M.Staal
R.Callahan
M.Del Zotto or Kreider
B.Dubinsky
2011 1st & 2nd
2012 1st
I wouldn't give you all that for Bobby Orr

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I wouldn't give you all that for Bobby Orr
To be fair, Orr's 63 now. I mean how much can you really expect out of the guy at this point?

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Malkin moves to 34th and 7th


He's in the men's department at Macys?

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Does anybody ever get bothered at trading the likes of Staal, Stepan, Krieder, Del Zotto, 1st round picks, etc. for a guy like Malkin?

I mean, although Malkin would most likely make our team better, some part of me cringes at the thought of giving up guys that I've gotten attached to. At some point it's like selling your heart and soul just to better the team by a small margin. I don't know, at least for me I feel like I'd have a lot more fun watching the group I mentioned develop into cup winners than watching a guy who has already won such as Malkin bring us a shiny cup.

I don't know, maybe I'm being dumb.

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To be fair, Orr's 63 now. I mean how much can you really expect out of the guy at this point?
Even at 63, Orr > Del Zotto, Gilroy, and McCabe combined.

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Malkin moves to 34th and 7th


He's in the men's department at Macys?
Too far down the block. And no he's in the women's department

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