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04-30-2011, 08:52 AM
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The guy had a lot of chances, he lost confidence in his shot... end of story. He'll be better next year...

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Here is a entertaining story:

Chapter 1:
Gaborik played in Minny for several years in a defensive-oriented system... and without a true #1 center. He hits free agency and decides that he wants to find new opportunities. The Rangers come to him and say... we have a more wide open offense that will ensure you were scoring opportunities. They also promise to find him a #1 center as soon as one becomes available. In his first year, Gaborik scores a bounty of goals (with some help from Prospal) as Ranger fans see how talented he really is. Gaborik thinks... "maybe I don't need a true #1 center". The fans love Gaborik, despite not making the playoffs.

Chapter 2:
Due to not making the playoffs, Torts goes back to the drawing board. At the beginning of the 2010-2011 season, the coach decides that our best chance to win (due to the lack of talent on the roster) is to play a more defensive-oriented system. Prospal is nowhere to be found because a knee injury. Gaborik goes on to struggle offensively and thinks... "maybe I do need a #1 center". Fans hate Gaborik, despite making the playoffs.

Chapter 3:
The morning after being ousted from the playoffs, Gaborik wakes up in a sweat thinking: "Am I back in Minnesota?" Defensive hell, no center... oh my!

Chapter 4:
At practice... the day before opening night of the 2011-2012 season, Torts comes to Gaborik and some guy named Richards and tells them that their line will be given more offensive leeway in terms of the system. Gaborik scores 2 goals that night... both assisted by Richards . Gaborik and Richards go on to score points galore and fans rejoice.

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04-30-2011, 10:40 AM
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Jagr played a full season with a less than 100% shoulder and still got 80+pts on a down year. Being hurt only carries you so far for an excuse. Hurt or not, he played terrible this year.

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04-30-2011, 10:44 AM
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Jagr played a full season with a less than 100% shoulder and still got 80+pts on a down year. Being hurt only carries you so far for an excuse. Hurt or not, he played terrible this year.
Lets be serious, Jagr was a generational talent and even old and withering, Gabby couldnt hold his jockstrap I agree he played terrible but come on man lol

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Here is a entertaining story:

Chapter 1:
Gaborik played in Minny for several years in a defensive-oriented system... and without a true #1 center. He hits free agency and decides that he wants to find new opportunities. The Rangers come to him and say... we have a more wide open offense that will ensure you were scoring opportunities. They also promise to find him a #1 center as soon as one becomes available. In his first year, Gaborik scores a bounty of goals (with some help from Prospal) as Ranger fans see how talented he really is. Gaborik thinks... "maybe I don't need a true #1 center". The fans love Gaborik, despite not making the playoffs.

Chapter 2:
Due to not making the playoffs, Torts goes back to the drawing board. At the beginning of the 2010-2011 season, the coach decides that our best chance to win (due to the lack of talent on the roster) is to play a more defensive-oriented system. Prospal is nowhere to be found because a knee injury. Gaborik goes on to struggle offensively and thinks... "maybe I do need a #1 center". Fans hate Gaborik, despite making the playoffs.

Chapter 3:
The morning after being ousted from the playoffs, Gaborik wakes up in a sweat thinking: "Am I back in Minnesota?" Defensive hell, no center... oh my!

Chapter 4:
At practice... the day before opening night of the 2011-2012 season, Torts comes to Gaborik and some guy named Richards and tells them that their line will be given more offensive leeway in terms of the system. Gaborik scores 2 goals that night... both assisted by Richards . Gaborik and Richards go on to score points galore and fans rejoice.
Chapter 5:
2 Weeks later, Gaborik hurts his shoulder, and Richards is left to think "**** I think I made a mistake"

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04-30-2011, 10:49 AM
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Here is a entertaining story:

Chapter 1:
Gaborik played in Minny for several years in a defensive-oriented system... and without a true #1 center. He hits free agency and decides that he wants to find new opportunities. The Rangers come to him and say... we have a more wide open offense that will ensure you were scoring opportunities. They also promise to find him a #1 center as soon as one becomes available. In his first year, Gaborik scores a bounty of goals (with some help from Prospal) as Ranger fans see how talented he really is. Gaborik thinks... "maybe I don't need a true #1 center". The fans love Gaborik, despite not making the playoffs.

Chapter 2:
Due to not making the playoffs, Torts goes back to the drawing board. At the beginning of the 2010-2011 season, the coach decides that our best chance to win (due to the lack of talent on the roster) is to play a more defensive-oriented system. Prospal is nowhere to be found because a knee injury. Gaborik goes on to struggle offensively and thinks... "maybe I do need a #1 center". Fans hate Gaborik, despite making the playoffs.

Chapter 3:
The morning after being ousted from the playoffs, Gaborik wakes up in a sweat thinking: "Am I back in Minnesota?" Defensive hell, no center... oh my!

Chapter 4:
At practice... the day before opening night of the 2011-2012 season, Torts comes to Gaborik and some guy named Richards and tells them that their line will be given more offensive leeway in terms of the system. Gaborik scores 2 goals that night... both assisted by Richards . Gaborik and Richards go on to score points galore and fans rejoice.

sounds about right, except the downfall didn't happen at the beginning of this season, but almost directly after the Torts, Schoeny, Slats meeting last season. Not even a full blown defensive system was installed yet…. just a strict adherence to 3rd man high in the offensive zone, and demanding wingers stay in front of his d-man in the defensive zone. All of a sudden we started blocking more shots per game, and our offense withered.

Gabby didn't have a 1c in Minny, but he was also younger, and his body was just in the process of wracking up injuries. His game requires explosiveness in his skating, not just to launch himself on a breakaway, but to quickly sidestep a defender to get a shot on net. All season long we watched him get his shots blocked, and not by d-man down low. He was getting blocked by the player right in front of him. Not only that BUT, the reason his shot was so deadly was those little lateral movements and quick release that took the goalie off his mark, and didn't allow him to fully reset his angle. Also his only true "break-away, room creator" the old throw the puck around the defender one way, sweep around the other and meet up with the puck on the other side didn't work A SINGLE TIME this season. I hope to god that there's some nagging injury that's still being covered up due to his wanting to play in the WC. because otherwise he doesn't offer much to the NYR at all, and although Richards could definitely get some more goals out of him, it just wouldn't be worth the investment.

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gabby playing worlds - he is healthy.

Torts stifling system is affecting Gabby's creativity. He is so worried about playing defense and back checking and he no longer takes offensive 50/50 chances.
once you slow down on your scoring you second guess and then it is a vicious circle....

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04-30-2011, 11:04 AM
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So then he isn't hurt, since he is playing in the WC.
Its their home tournament.

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04-30-2011, 11:45 AM
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I think the only thing hurt were his feelings.

He had a break up with his girl.

Sather would not trade for Brunette or Bouchard for him after signing the Boogie man for him; this comes on the heels of not picking up Demitra last year.

Torts would not cuddle him and told him to apply himself.

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Don't know how anyone can feel comfortable trashing the player when the team, as per the norm, has done ZERO to put him in a position to succeed.

Gaborik has NEVER been a consistent creator. He's a sniper. He'll produce under one of two conditions: either someone sets him up, or he has ample time and space. There's no one to set him up, and opposing teams figured out even LAST season, by February, that if you give him no time and space, if you stick to him like glue, then he's basically a non-factor since the Rangers can't do ANYTHING to help him.

The only circumstance under which Gaborik should be carrying the puck in over the blueline is on an odd-man rush or a breakaway. On this team, he has to carry the puck all the time, which is basically a guarantee that he won't be scoring. He gets driven into the halfboards or forced around the net, usually resulting in either a turnover or the Rangers typical puckshuffle along the boards that goes nowhere.

Gaborik has to be anonymous. He has to disappear and magically reappear in the slot or in the circle just as someone lands the puck right on the blade of his stick. Who's going to do that on this team? Nobody.

But as usual, fans expect players to do things that they've never been capable of doing before just because they're wearing a Ranger uniform.

You want Gaborik to score? Try getting someone to pass him the puck at the right time/place, or play a Lemaire neutral zone choke that will send Gaborik into the other team's zone all by himself 3 or 4 times a game. With neither of those things happening, I don't see how anyone can be upset at Gaborik or accuse him of playing poorly this season.

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Lets be serious, Jagr was a generational talent and even old and withering, Gabby couldnt hold his jockstrap I agree he played terrible but come on man lol
god forbid Gaborik get more than 22 goals while healthy when a hurt Jagr gets 84 points. There's no come on about it.

It's funny how Gaborik was a generational talent when these boards were clamouring to sign him because the spoiled fans wanted a new toy. Now that he's here (which is probably the single biggest factor into why the fans no longer want him) and underperforming he needs help and we really shouldn't have expected too much from him in the first place.

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Don't know how anyone can feel comfortable trashing the player when the team, as per the norm, has done ZERO to put him in a position to succeed.

Gaborik has NEVER been a consistent creator. He's a sniper. He'll produce under one of two conditions: either someone sets him up, or he has ample time and space. There's no one to set him up, and opposing teams figured out even LAST season, by February, that if you give him no time and space, if you stick to him like glue, then he's basically a non-factor since the Rangers can't do ANYTHING to help him.

The only circumstance under which Gaborik should be carrying the puck in over the blueline is on an odd-man rush or a breakaway. On this team, he has to carry the puck all the time, which is basically a guarantee that he won't be scoring. He gets driven into the halfboards or forced around the net, usually resulting in either a turnover or the Rangers typical puckshuffle along the boards that goes nowhere.

Gaborik has to be anonymous. He has to disappear and magically reappear in the slot or in the circle just as someone lands the puck right on the blade of his stick. Who's going to do that on this team? Nobody.

But as usual, fans expect players to do things that they've never been capable of doing before just because they're wearing a Ranger uniform.

You want Gaborik to score? Try getting someone to pass him the puck at the right time/place, or play a Lemaire neutral zone choke that will send Gaborik into the other team's zone all by himself 3 or 4 times a game. With neither of those things happening, I don't see how anyone can be upset at Gaborik or accuse him of playing poorly this season.
HOW DARE YOU BE RATIONAL ON THIS BOARD!!!!

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Don't know how anyone can feel comfortable trashing the player when the team, as per the norm, has done ZERO to put him in a position to succeed.

Gaborik has NEVER been a consistent creator. He's a sniper. He'll produce under one of two conditions: either someone sets him up, or he has ample time and space. There's no one to set him up, and opposing teams figured out even LAST season, by February, that if you give him no time and space, if you stick to him like glue, then he's basically a non-factor since the Rangers can't do ANYTHING to help him.

The only circumstance under which Gaborik should be carrying the puck in over the blueline is on an odd-man rush or a breakaway. On this team, he has to carry the puck all the time, which is basically a guarantee that he won't be scoring. He gets driven into the halfboards or forced around the net, usually resulting in either a turnover or the Rangers typical puckshuffle along the boards that goes nowhere.

Gaborik has to be anonymous. He has to disappear and magically reappear in the slot or in the circle just as someone lands the puck right on the blade of his stick. Who's going to do that on this team? Nobody.

But as usual, fans expect players to do things that they've never been capable of doing before just because they're wearing a Ranger uniform.

You want Gaborik to score? Try getting someone to pass him the puck at the right time/place, or play a Lemaire neutral zone choke that will send Gaborik into the other team's zone all by himself 3 or 4 times a game. With neither of those things happening, I don't see how anyone can be upset at Gaborik or accuse him of playing poorly this season.
Bravo.

Get someone who can consistently put the puck on Gabby's stick when he uses his speed to blare past people WITHOUT the puck on his stick and let's see which two players on this team lead us in points. Gabby's bad at stickhandling past guys with his speed when he's carrying the puck, but without the puck he can do it consistently.

This is why we need Richards.

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god forbid Gaborik get more than 22 goals while healthy when a hurt Jagr gets 84 points. There's no come on about it.

It's funny how Gaborik was a generational talent when these boards were clamouring to sign him because the spoiled fans wanted a new toy. Now that he's here (which is probably the single biggest factor into why the fans no longer want him) and underperforming he needs help and we really shouldn't have expected too much from him in the first place.
Jagr never had 84 pts as a Ranger, 123, 96 and 71 were his totals while in NY.

Also, to be fair i don't think I ever read anyone on these boards saying that Gabby was a generational talent. He was described as having excellent speed, a first class shot and being a top winger, but not generational.

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god forbid Gaborik get more than 22 goals while healthy when a hurt Jagr gets 84 points. There's no come on about it.

It's funny how Gaborik was a generational talent when these boards were clamouring to sign him because the spoiled fans wanted a new toy. Now that he's here (which is probably the single biggest factor into why the fans no longer want him) and underperforming he needs help and we really shouldn't have expected too much from him in the first place.
Who described him as a generational talent? He's a great winger with world class speed.

There IS a come on about it. Marian Gaborik is a top player in the modern NHL. Jaromir Jagr is one of the best players the game has seen.

Nobody's happy with his production. We're just rational enough to realize he's the most offensively talented player on this team and giving him the pieces to succeed will help this franchise, not trading him.

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Comparing Gaborik to Jagr is silly. Jagr is one of the best NHL players in the history of the game. He could create his own offense and that big body allowed him to overpower people. Gaborik is more of a Pavel Bure type of player. He lurks where you wouldn't expect and waits for rebounds and good passes. A good example would be that playoff goal from Feds. Did you see anyone the entire season set up Gaborik that way? It is actually sad to say... but no. Also... the whole "3rd man high" thing can really get a player to stop thinking about where his instincts tell him to be to score and where the coach wants him to be so the other team doesn't score. For all of those Gabby haters, there really is more going on to this situation than meets the eye. Gaborik needs to given more freedom to do his thing, but needs other elite players with him for Torts to allow him to do it. Hopefully that happens next season.

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Jagr played a full season with a less than 100% shoulder and still got 80+pts on a down year. Being hurt only carries you so far for an excuse. Hurt or not, he played terrible this year.
jagr could put up 80 points using a righty stick. not a fair comparison at all.

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Only thing hurtin was his heart and effort.

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Only thing hurtin was his heart and effort.
Seemed to me that he was our best forward in the playoffs.

haters gonna hate though.

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Seemed to me that he was our best forward in the playoffs.

haters gonna hate though.
I personally agree. The effort was unquestionably there during the playoffs. But because we lost the series and because of that one mishap with Hank people will forget that.

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Seemed to me that he was our best forward in the playoffs.

haters gonna hate though.
Yeah, he really carried the team.

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Yeah, he really carried the team.
The only person who ever carries this team is Hank.

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The only person who ever carries this team is Hank.
Henrik isn't paid 7.5 million dollars to score goals.

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Back in February I said that Gaborik did not look injured. This was after he ripped a couple of wrist shots that went a gazillion miles an hour. He was skating well at the time too, and mixing it up a bit physically, not shying away.
Sorry, but that's not the mark of an injured player.
I'm positive about many Rangers players and think they play to their potential, but I'm lukewarm about the probability of Gaborik going back to the lethal Gaborik again next year.


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Gaborik had better do some soul searching over the Summer . Anybody that receives that type of contract has to keep up their end of the bargain and be committed to providing 100 % effort every night while they are wearing a Ranger sweater . It is an honor to be a Ranger...it's time somebody made him accountable and if it cannot be done...get rid of the piece of crap . As fans it is up to us not to let up on him and want at least an honest effort for that type of contract . Grrrrrrrrrr....I get soooo angry when I hear that he was healthy !

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