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05-01-2011, 06:44 PM
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here is how i see it:

the flyers play such a lackluster performance so often (big games or not) we need that confidence in net. we need that goalie to pick up the slack this team leaves around so frequently. i love the flyers and i root for them day in and day out, **** it.. call me a pessimist, but the flyers will never, never, never win the cup with this core unless they have someone stealing those important games the flyers skaters always seem to never show up to.

sure they came back from down 0-3 to boston, but we had leighton in net in OT in the biggest game of those player's careers. we barely squeaked by the sabres after losing out on the top seeding because the flyers can't ever seem to play as well as they should.

am i the only one who gets frustrated watching such a talented team suck more often than not? richards, for as good as he is, doesn't seem to show up. carter, their best goalscorer, JUST DISAPPEARS. pronger is a god damn media circus when he should be worried about rehabbing. and then that leaves briere, arguably the only reason we beat sabres as well as made it to the SCF last year, giroux (see: briere) and then jvr who has played well above what is expected.

just had to get that out. please, someone feel the same way i do..
for such a talented team, it sucks watching them sometimes.

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How does this look for next year:

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Ville Leino ($2.500m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / Eric Wellwood ($0.580m)
Andreas Nodl ($1.000m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jeff Carter ($5.272m)
Jody Shelley ($1.100m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Darroll Powe ($0.850m)

DEFENSEMEN
Chris Pronger ($4.921m) / Matt Carle ($3.437m)
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Braydon Coburn ($3.200m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m)

GOALTENDERS
Tomas Vokoun ($3.500m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $62,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $61,899,155; BONUSES: $1,700,000
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $500,845


Also, Vokoun will be 35 years old on July 2nd. So yes, he would be a 35+ guy.

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wouldnt mind getting rask if bob is not going to be the future, but i doubt boston trades him since thomas is getting up there in age
****, we probably could have had thomas for gagne.. think about it..

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05-01-2011, 06:46 PM
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How does this look for next year:

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Ville Leino ($2.500m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / Eric Wellwood ($0.580m)
Andreas Nodl ($1.000m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jeff Carter ($5.272m)
Jody Shelley ($1.100m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Darroll Powe ($0.850m)

DEFENSEMEN
Chris Pronger ($4.921m) / Matt Carle ($3.437m)
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Braydon Coburn ($3.200m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m)

GOALTENDERS
Tomas Vokoun ($3.500m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $62,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $61,899,155; BONUSES: $1,700,000
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $500,845


Also, Vokoun will be 35 years old on July 2nd. So yes, he would be a 35+ guy.
So we just hope no one gets injured all year?

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I just noticed, last year Vokoun had a .922 SV% and the year before he had a .925 SV%. And before that was .926 SV%.

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How does this look for next year:

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Ville Leino ($2.500m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / Eric Wellwood ($0.580m)
Andreas Nodl ($1.000m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jeff Carter ($5.272m)
Jody Shelley ($1.100m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Darroll Powe ($0.850m)

DEFENSEMEN
Chris Pronger ($4.921m) / Matt Carle ($3.437m)
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Braydon Coburn ($3.200m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m)

GOALTENDERS
Tomas Vokoun ($3.500m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $62,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $61,899,155; BONUSES: $1,700,000
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $500,845


Also, Vokoun will be 35 years old on July 2nd. So yes, he would be a 35+ guy.
I like it but Vokoun will probably be getting $4.25M to $4.5M.

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here is how i see it:

the flyers play such a lackluster performance so often (big games or not) we need that confidence in net. we need that goalie to pick up the slack this team leaves around so frequently. i love the flyers and i root for them day in and day out, **** it.. call me a pessimist, but the flyers will never, never, never win the cup with this core unless they have someone stealing those important games the flyers skaters always seem to never show up to.

sure they came back from down 0-3 to boston, but we had leighton in net in OT in the biggest game of those player's careers. we barely squeaked by the sabres after losing out on the top seeding because the flyers can't ever seem to play as well as they should.

am i the only one who gets frustrated watching such a talented team suck more often than not? richards, for as good as he is, doesn't seem to show up. carter, their best goalscorer, JUST DISAPPEARS. pronger is a god damn media circus when he should be worried about rehabbing. and then that leaves briere, arguably the only reason we beat sabres as well as made it to the SCF last year, giroux (see: briere) and then jvr who has played well above what is expected.

just had to get that out. please, someone feel the same way i do..
for such a talented team, it sucks watching them sometimes.
Yeah, I'd argue that... Pronger was an absolutely horse in the playoffs last year, and I'm pretty sure Richards had more points than Briere at the end of the ECF.

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I like it but Vokoun will probably be getting $4.25M to $4.5M.
really really doubt that. no goalie is getting those types of numbers on the open market the last few years...

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I'd bet money if we lose Homer says Bob will be the starter for next season. And he once again will do nothing about the goalie situation.

Free agent options are really thin:
Vokoun
Bryzgalov

Goalies stuck behind big names:
Schneider
Rask
Lindback
Enroth(RFA)
Bernier
Harding

Vokoun would be my far and away #1 choice. The bottom names all have NHL experience but it's really a gamble unless you're trading for a Rask/Schneider.
I agree, Vokoun would be the one to shoot for, with Bryzgalov a close second. While he may want top dollar, I doubt Bryz ends up with a contract exceeding $4m, which is a stretch itself. Detroit tore him to pieces and goalies simply are not worth significant invesiment barring rare exceptions. Schneider is definitely NHL ready and has stellar written all over him but he would cost an arm and a leg to acquire. Bernier is less proven but bodes a similar problem. Rask is all but untouchable and I wager Boston would abandon Thomas before Rask.

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I agree, Vokoun would be the one to shoot for, with Bryzgalov a close second. While he may want top dollar, I doubt Bryz ends up with a contract exceeding $4m, which is a stretch itself. Detroit tore him to pieces and goalies simply are not worth significant invesiment barring rare exceptions. Schneider is definitely NHL ready and has stellar written all over him but he would cost an arm and a leg to acquire. Bernier is less proven but bodes a similar problem. Rask is all but untouchable and I wager Boston would abandon Thomas before Rask.
The thing about Schneider is that he is needed much less on the team than Rask or Bernier are because they are both meant to replace the goalie that is currently their #1. Schneider is behind a goalie that will play at least 65 to 70 games a year and is still signed for several more years. Schneider would definitely be the easier one to get. I would still love to see a Versteeg for Schneider deal go down and have Bob and him as our 1A and 1B.

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For UFA, Vokoun for me. For the rest, I'd say Rask would be a great goalie to try to get, but I'm sure he'd replace Thomas, considering Thomas' age.
why cause rask is the best goalie in NHL11?

enroth sucks, Bernier may have something, and harding + schneider are good...most of those other guys arent neccessarily going to be better than BOBs
oh and lindback is just an effing troll

the only unproven goalie i'd really want to take a risk on is mikko koskinen (well i wouldnt say only, but im yet to be convinced with our other goaltending options)

and yes i may be contradicting with lindback V koskinen, but i think koskinen is more like rinne, and lindback is more like valiquette

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why cause rask is the best goalie in NHL11?

enroth sucks, Bernier may have something, and harding + schneider are good...most of those other guys arent neccessarily going to be better than BOBs
oh and lindback is just an effing troll

the only unproven goalie i'd really want to take a risk on is mikko koskinen (well i wouldnt say only, but im yet to be convinced with our other goaltending options)

and yes i may be contradicting with lindback V koskinen, but i think koskinen is more like rinne, and lindback is more like valiquette
I don't play the single player game of NHL 11, I just play online as a created character pretty much. So no, I had no idea he was that high in that game.

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I don't play the single player game of NHL 11, I just play online as a created character pretty much. So no, I had no idea he was that high in that game.
its only because he was statistically last year, IIRC.

i am pretty sure EA has updated that though..?

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really really doubt that. no goalie is getting those types of numbers on the open market the last few years...
The last couple years there really hasn't been a legit #1 goalie on the market. Vokoun, although aging, is definitely one of those. And considering the $$$ he's making with Florida, I don't see why a team with plenty of cap space wouldn't out-bid us.

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I just noticed, last year Vokoun had a .922 SV% and the year before he had a .925 SV%. And before that was .926 SV%.
His team has also got progressively worse each of the last 3 years.

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really really doubt that. no goalie is getting those types of numbers on the open market the last few years...
Also, age should factor in to make him cost less.

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I just noticed, last year Vokoun had a .922 SV% and the year before he had a .925 SV%. And before that was .926 SV%.
He's definently the guy at the top of my list.

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Also, age should factor in to make him cost less.
If he honestly asks for anything more than 3 or 3.5, I think Homer hangs up the phone.

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The flyers are going have to overextend themselves both in terms of cap hit and years to get a number 1. This thinking that vokoun is going to sign for 4 mill for two years is crazy talk. Get realistic people. So many teams need a number one, and their are only two on the market right now! So the bottom line is whether the Flyers want to be that team. I think yes.

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The flyers are going have to overextend themselves both in terms of cap hit and years to get a number 1. This thinking that vokoun is going to sign for 4 mill for two years is crazy talk. Get realistic people. So many teams need a number one, and their are only two on the market right now! So the bottom line is whether the Flyers want to be that team. I think yes.
What teams do you see need a number 1 and will pay for it? I really don't know the teams out there. Someone earlier mentioned Colorado and Phoenix and Tampa. Does Tampa have the resources to pay 4 or 5 mil? Is Colorado willing to do that as well, and is Phoenix/Winnipeg willing? I'm asking because I don't know.

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So many teams need a number one
I disagree. I'd say Colorado, TB, us, Florida and Phoenix are the only teams out there who would really be looking for a #1. Out of those, I'd say only us and TB have legit shots at the cup in the next 2-3 years.

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really really doubt that. no goalie is getting those types of numbers on the open market the last few years...
To be fair, some goalies have been payed near those numbers, it's just that the goalies that get that type of salary are valued to the point that the GM's don't let them hit the open market.

Niemi got a nice deal. Anderson just got a nice deal. Luongo got an absolutely excessive deal. Bryz is probably gonna get a really nice deal. Vokoun may not want to stay in Florida (so he may see the open market), and he is definitely in the class of goalie that makes that much money.

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The thing about Schneider is that he is needed much less on the team than Rask or Bernier are because they are both meant to replace the goalie that is currently their #1. Schneider is behind a goalie that will play at least 65 to 70 games a year and is still signed for several more years. Schneider would definitely be the easier one to get. I would still love to see a Versteeg for Schneider deal go down and have Bob and him as our 1A and 1B.
Jon Quick isn't likely to lose his job anytime soon IMO.

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If he honestly asks for anything more than 3 or 3.5, I think Homer hangs up the phone.
and when he does everyone yells at him for not signing turco/nabakov

doesnt anyone understand? these goalies want more money than we can give them

(now if we resigned razor last year we would be on fire right now...THAT is one thing im p/oed about, we couldve given him an AHL chance. Maybe ray was a locker-room depressant though, i didnt see him hanging with the guys during the winter classic :/ but i guess with ray we wouldnt have gotten BOB)

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Probs to you for getting 78 cliche-phrases in their without saying anything.

Now, to the topic.
Vokoun is the only one I think we could realistically get, because Bryzgalov is at a point in his career where he probably wants big money.
I believe i made my point perfectly if it got me props from the expert Dookie !

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Didn't we have a legit chance to get Rinne within the last season or two?

This popped in my head last night as I watched him stand on his freaking head

Bryz for 4-5 years or Vokoun for 2-3 please. Fork some cash up for a goalie please.

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Didn't we have a legit chance to get Rinne within the last season or two?

This popped in my head last night as I watched him stand on his freaking head

Bryz for 4-5 years or Vokoun for 2-3 please. Fork some cash up for a goalie please.
We have plenty of cash. It's space that we need.

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