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04-30-2011, 10:16 PM
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I forgot about Florida being in the Confederacy. Both of their teams are safe.

I'm still not convinced about Nashville. I want to see how they handle a prolonged bad streak.
Nashville has proven to be a better hockey market than Columbus.

Doesn't matter if Cbus and Nashville fail though, because Winnipeg can easily support 5 NHL teams.

Can you imagine the rivalry between the West End and Fort Rouge? Why must Bettman stop great rivalries like these?

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Nashville has proven to be a better hockey market than Columbus.

Doesn't matter if Cbus and Nashville fail though, because Winnipeg can easily support 5 NHL teams.

Can you imagine the rivalry between the West End and Fort Rouge? Why must Bettman stop great rivalries like these?
I usually agree with you, but this statement baffles me. Nashville has been a much better managed, and run hockey team, but in no way has it been a better market. Had we had the teams that Nashville has had, I would bet my pension that our attendance figures would have dwarfed Nashville's. Not to mention our corporate sponsorship has been much stronger than Nashville's, even with an inferior product.

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I usually agree with you, but this statement baffles me. Nashville has been a much better managed, and run hockey team, but in no way has it been a better market. Had we had the teams that Nashville has had, I would bet my pension that our attendance figures would have dwarfed Nashville's. Not to mention our corporate sponsorship has been much stronger than Nashville's, even with an inferior product.
I agree with this. Now, Sam would have been on the money if he would have said...

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Nashville has proven to be a better hockey market than Columbus.
Last night's game ending at 1am eastern, did anyone in Tennessee watch?
Also, if Columbus was in the 2nd round I don't think they'd have trouble selling out games like they do.

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I do not agree Nashville is not better market than Columbus, why dio you think it?

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Update on the situation in Phoenix, and to a lesser extent, Atlanta.

Coyotes lost $36.6 million last season. WOW, just Wow.

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2...edium=referral
They lost 40 a couple years ago. Progress!

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FWIW when the league did tell the Wings they would be the first team to move east, should a realignment occur. However, I am not confident the league would honor this if the situation arises because of the revenue generated when Detroit travels.

If the Wings are somehow passed over, I'd like to see Columbus be next in line to move east. Living in Columbus, I only went to a handful of games this year because a lot of the West teams don't interest me much (outside of the central).

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I do not believe that Wings West needs Wings it is not Toronto which was average team. IMO Columbus would early move than Wings. Besides our profit would be highet and NHL wants it. Wings have profit whether they are on the West or not.

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I'd feel like we're taking the easy way out if we move to the East. I want to win in the West.

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I'd feel like we're taking the easy way out if we move to the East. I want to win in the West.
it is right I must agree with you and blahblah with it.

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Another point to ponder: How would moving the Wings East, instead of Columbus, hurt Columbus financially?

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I do not believe that Wings West needs Wings it is not Toronto which was average team. IMO Columbus would early move than Wings. Besides our profit would be highet and NHL wants it. Wings have profit whether they are on the West or not.
It's more the profit the other West teams get when the Wings travel. The CBJ-Wings games I've went to have all been sold out. However, I managed to easily get student tickets to a few CBJ-Blues games this year. I imagine the same thing happens in many West cities- the teams draw more than average when they play the Wings.

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Another point to ponder: How would moving the Wings East, instead of Columbus, hurt Columbus financially?
It would only hurt the profit gained when they play the Wings. These games are always sold out, and the games replaced with Winnipeg (or whoever else) likely wouldn't draw as well.

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I think it also depends on what team is leaving the east. If it is indeed Atlanta as indicated then it might make the most sense to move Nashville to the SE rather than Columbus. If it's Winnepeg they move to, they go to the NW and Minnesota joins the Central. Same if FLA is moving.

Now if the NYI go then it is a different question.


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Another point to ponder: How would moving the Wings East, instead of Columbus, hurt Columbus financially?
Replace that with Buffalo or the Pens and no issue.

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Not to mention our corporate sponsorship has been much stronger than Nashville's, even with an inferior product.
That has more to do with Craig Leipold than it does the market itself. Nashville's start was good at the hockey ops and not so great business-wise; we were good business-wise but not so great at hockey ops. Given the option, I'm not sure which I'd pick if I had to choose, considering just how close the Preds came to moving.

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Last night's game ending at 1am eastern, did anyone in Tennessee watch?
Quite a few, actually, judging by the on-the-spot reaction to Halischuk's OT winner. (And I certainly hope you were watching! Rinne was beyond fantastic, and it its always a true pleasure to see Suter and Weber at work. )

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Enjoying the performances of Nashville players? Never! (At least not unless I move to Nashville or Columbus in no longer in the same division).

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It's more the profit the other West teams get when the Wings travel. The CBJ-Wings games I've went to have all been sold out. However, I managed to easily get student tickets to a few CBJ-Blues games this year. I imagine the same thing happens in many West cities- the teams draw more than average when they play the Wings.
It is right too. Wings keep Central Division in it so IMo NHL would not move it.

But the true is Atlanta would not be moved Phoenix is more real.

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It takes 23 votes of the BoG to decided the lunch menu at the league meetings, much less realignment.

Be logical-- if-- and I mean -- if-- there is realignment, who thinks the Wings get 23 votes to move to the east?

Or-- it only takes eight teams to prevent the Wings from moving east.

Bettman brings a lot to the table, but it will come down to a vote. The commish can recommend, but the owners decide.

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Well, Glendale's city council voted last night to subsidize the Coyotes for one more year, which likely means that they're staying put for now.

Now the True North Sports group, which wants to purchase a team and move it to Winnipeg, will almost certainly turn their attention to purchasing the Atlanta Thrashers.

My guess is that within a week we'll know the Thrashers' fate one way or the other, which could potentially set the wheels in motion for a Western team to move to the East. Should be interesting.

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05-11-2011, 07:22 AM
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Jackets lost 25 million last year? /sigh

Will we be changing conferences or cities in 3 or 4 years? Place your bets now.

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Be logical-- if-- and I mean -- if-- there is realignment, who thinks the Wings get 23 votes to move to the east?

Or-- it only takes eight teams to prevent the Wings from moving east.

Bettman brings a lot to the table, but it will come down to a vote. The commish can recommend, but the owners decide.
Obviously most Western teams will vote against Detroit moving. They wouldn't want to lose that market.

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It takes 23 votes of the BoG to decided the lunch menu at the league meetings, much less realignment.

Be logical-- if-- and I mean -- if-- there is realignment, who thinks the Wings get 23 votes to move to the east?

Or-- it only takes eight teams to prevent the Wings from moving east.

Bettman brings a lot to the table, but it will come down to a vote. The commish can recommend, but the owners decide.
I get the feeling the logic from Eastern teams will be "Who do you want to play 4-6 times a year? Detroit or Columbus?"

...which means we'd probably get a change of scenery. While it sounds like a diss, given our record against the East last year, I'd take that slap in the face.

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A switch to the East is just the shot in the arm this franchise needs right now.

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Well, Glendale's city council voted last night to subsidize the Coyotes for one more year, which likely means that they're staying put for now.

Now the True North Sports group, which wants to purchase a team and move it to Winnipeg, will almost certainly turn their attention to purchasing the Atlanta Thrashers.

My guess is that within a week we'll know the Thrashers' fate one way or the other, which could potentially set the wheels in motion for a Western team to move to the East. Should be interesting.
So, here's the worst of both worlds scenario for you...

The Thrashers move to Winnipeg. As a result, the Jackets are moved to the East...

but, alas, Phoenix can't find a long-term solution one year from now. They move to Hamilton...and the Eastern Conference with the Jackets being moved back into the Central only a year after a jump to the East.

And, here's another question for those longing for a move to the East--what division do you think we're going to be put it? I don't think the Northeast or Atlantic are likely spots because of the traditional rivalries. Which puts us in the Southleast with Carolina, Tampa and Washington. Not sure (1) that helps much at the gate or (2) that will help much in getting into the playoffs given that Tampa and Washington have the makings of two teams that will be perennial playoff teams for years to come.

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