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04-14-2011, 02:43 PM
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As for Arnott, I am big fan and I think he's going to pay dividends big time starting tomorrow night. Thus, I gave my best estimate at what I thought could keep him. I think he'll have a hard time fetching 4 million. He's not really a 2C that can produce huge points anymore- thus he doesn't really justify the big contract. He's more of a leadership, clutch performing veteran 2C, which the Caps need and will likely require a lower salary.
MJ had more TOI than Arnott yesterday, btw. But Arnott had primary assist on GWG =)

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05-03-2011, 01:08 PM
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Logical/Illogical?

I just wanted to give my two cents on the Capitals situation this year. While we have gone through so much this decade, ups and downs, the organization has been able to built a great young core with oozing talent at all levels. That, mixed with a healthy group of veterans should be the perfect mix. I honestly thought/think that this year is our year. I haven’t lost faith but I’m not really sure what’s going on this series, hopefully just growing pains against a good team, don’t get me wrong the Lightning are a great team, and if they win the series then they win. But, truthfully I expect more out of a team that has been in and out of the playoffs the last three years. But, if we do lose I’m NOT that worried, because I know for sure that there will be huge changes, whether we want them or not. Boudreau will be fired, players will be traded/signed/etc, and new personnel will be brought in surely. If we can’t win with this team, I truthfully believe that Washington will go through a youth re-build. Really, I think that’s the best thing that could happen for us. We’ve got a few top-tier prospects oozing with talent and a strong prospect system at many levels of hockey. If this indeed happens, I really expect Cody Eakin, Dmitri Orlov, Evgeny Kuznetsov, Braden Holtby, Stantislav Galiev (also suggested by an NHL Writer), and possibly a couple of other players up. It has worked for teams like Nashville, Philadelphia, New York (Rangers), Pittsburgh, and other teams. If this team can’t win with a solid mix, then why not bring in all the solid talent that we’ve got? What do other fans think, or am I just crazy?
Stanley Cup= Great , Keep Going
Elimination= Youth Re-build with a lot of talent
We had a mini youth re-build this year, this one would be more like that and as impactful.
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Illogical.

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It has worked for teams like Nashville, Philadelphia, New York (Rangers), Pittsburgh, and other teams.
Illogical. Other than Pittsburgh none of those other teams have a championship.

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05-03-2011, 01:20 PM
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I understand, but what I mean is like what we did this year is it possible two years in a row?
New Additions: 2010-2011
Regulars:
Johansson
Neuvirth
Carlson
Alzner

Played A Lot:
Holtby
Perreault
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05-03-2011, 01:32 PM
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While I feel Holtby may be ready what is the rush to 'rebuild' with him in net when the other 2 are so young themselves? He has another year of being waiver exempt and I would expect/want them to use that time to evaluate all 3 of them for another year, assuming Varlamov is resigned, which I expect.

Galiev isn't close to being ready for the NHL. I liked him as a pick and feel his development this year was ok/fine, though less than great, but his playoffs this year have been better. He gets his last year in juniors and at least a year in the AHL before even being considered IMO.

Kuznetsov is signed for another year in the KHL and says he plans to play at least this coming year in the KHL. IMO for those reasons he is not even a possibility until the following year at the earliest.

I think most feel Orlov would be best served by a full season in Hershey as the first call up option to get a taste of the NHL. I don't see the point in rushing him nor do I think it will help his development. I guess if he really earns a spot in camp I'd consider it but he'd really have to stand out.

Eakin may be ready but I think he would be best served by spending a full season in Hershey also as well as getting some call ups based on his play and the Caps' needs from their call ups up front. If he definitely earns a spot in camp I would make room for him though.

So no I don't see the reason or opportunity to do any kind of a rebuild. The team in general is still young and if anything I would suggest they need more veterans not more kids.

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05-03-2011, 02:07 PM
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Thanks guys, just wanted to see what you guys thought about what we did this year next year too, but it may be too early.

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the problem with the capitals is not a lack of talent, but a lack of experience and a lack of understanding of what is required to be successful in the stanley cup playoffs. adding more young players wont fix that.

i'd suggest that the balance of over 30 year old players to young players needs to be increased on the older player side of the scales, in fact.

knuble and poti were not enough. hannan replaced poti and they added arnott and thats not enough. next season wideman will be added as a start. what the caps need is to keep arnott or replace him with another veteran with playoff experience. eakin isn't going to cut it.

at this point it seems clear that backstrom has yet to achieve understanding at the playoff level and so, johansson still needs years before he is at that level.

the only reason to consider any of the not yet in the nhl young players is if the caps need to move an established young player, schultz or fehr or semin or let laich go as ufa in order to add experience at another position. that would open up a roster spot for an inexpensive elc player.

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None of this matters as long as we have our weakest defensive dman "Greenie" killing penalties. He should be a power play specialist and log no more than 20 minutes of ice in any game. Ovechkin doesn't kill penalties, so why does Green?

We need to get a coach who will use the players he has in the most effective manner.

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None of this matters as long as we have our weakest defensive dman "Greenie" killing penalties. He should be a power play specialist and log no more than 20 minutes of ice in any game. Ovechkin doesn't kill penalties, so why does Green?

We need to get a coach who will use the players he has in the most effective manner.
I don't see the 1:22 per game Green is PKing as being the key to the team's fortunes...

Every defenseman on that team does some PKing with Erskine the least at :47 per game, only :35 less than Green.

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None of this matters as long as we have our weakest defensive dman "Greenie" killing penalties. He should be a power play specialist and log no more than 20 minutes of ice in any game. Ovechkin doesn't kill penalties, so why does Green?

We need to get a coach who will use the players he has in the most effective manner.
first of all green carried primary pk duty all season and it wasnt an issue. in the playoffs his pk minutes have been limited to when a defenseman on the pk takes a penalty. like when carlson took a penalty. that player in the box is removed from the rotation and replaced by another one.

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Thanks guys, I never meant to say re-build, but basically when should we influx these guys. They're really talented and ETA is one more year at the most for pretty much all of them. I never meant to say to break down the team, but whether to bring these guys up together like we did this year with 5 of our prospects. Obviously, contracts and such need to be worked out for a couple and there are many variables like are they NHL Ready next year, and would it be smart to bring them up? To me they're pretty damn close. Like I said, it's probably one more year at the most before they're in Capitals Jerseys, we'll see on Galiev but he's progressing well too.

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This team doesn't need more youth, right now. It needs more veterans and more leadership. It needs more players to keep Semin, OV, and Backstrom honest. Keep those guys from having another lazy offseason. It needs more grit and toughness. Eakin can bring some of that. This team needs more guys willing to do the dirty work. More defenseman and forwards that make them harder to play against and make people a little reluctant going into corners and around the net. I don't think youth and skill is really whats holding them back.

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Thanks guys, I never meant to say re-build, but basically when should we influx these guys. They're really talented and ETA is one more year at the most for pretty much all of them. I never meant to say to break down the team, but whether to bring these guys up together like we did this year with 5 of our prospects. Obviously, contracts and such need to be worked out for a couple and there are many variables like are they NHL Ready next year, and would it be smart to bring them up? To me they're pretty damn close. Like I said, it's probably one more year at the most before they're in Capitals Jerseys, we'll see on Galiev but he's progressing well too.
you cant influx them all. the caps have too many young players now. look at the defense. hannan is a real veteran. green schultz carlson and alzner are all players who's nhl careers are no longer than boudreau's. thats just not enough experience.
i dont know how you find rook for orlov unless two of those 4 are gone.

the kuznetsov is going to force his way onto the roster when he is ready. eakin though may well not have an nhl roster spot til he uses up his elc years.

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With Kuznetsov probably making this team in 2012-2013, this should be Semin`s last season as a Cap.

The Caps do NOT need Backstrom, Ovy, Semin and Kuz on the same team.

Schultz has to go. I`m hoping Laich doesn`t leave but I wouldn`t be surprised to see him walk.

It`s time to start drafting more players like Eakin....i.e Eberle over Bengt`s kid !!!!!!!!!

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Semin and Kuz is overkill.

I seriously doubt Semin survives an actual NHL coach that demands proper fundamentals. He's basically been on borrowed time having a Russian shadow and "player's coach" enable all of his immature ********.

It's hard to care about who they bring in until Coach/GM is addressed.

I do know that Jeff Schultz is not a top 4 defenseman on a Cup team and Tom Poti needs to go.

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Semin and Kuz is overkill.

I seriously doubt Semin survives an actual NHL coach that demands proper fundamentals. He's basically been on borrowed time having a Russian shadow and "player's coach" enable all of his immature ********.

It's hard to care about who they bring in until Coach/GM is addressed.

I do know that Jeff Schultz is not a top 4 defenseman on a Cup team and Tom Poti needs to go.
I really like Mac T for some reason.

Love alot of the things he`s been saying on TSN during this series.

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With Kuznetsov probably making this team in 2012-2013, this should be Semin`s last season as a Cap.

The Caps do NOT need Backstrom, Ovy, Semin and Kuz on the same team.

Schultz has to go. I`m hoping Laich doesn`t leave but I wouldn`t be surprised to see him walk.

It`s time to start drafting more players like Eakin....i.e Eberle over Bengt`s kid !!!!!!!!
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Please no. We tried that already. Sutherby, Gordon, etc...GMGM just needs to mix it up. Russian one year/Canadian the next. Seriously, his run on WHL players pissed me off. We needed talent back then, and he continually passed up talented players for the hard nosed WHL players.

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Please no. We tried that already. Sutherby, Gordon, etc...GMGM just needs to mix it up. Russian one year/Canadian the next. Seriously, his run on WHL players pissed me off. We needed talent back then, and he continually passed up talented players for the hard nosed WHL players.
I agree, some balance is needed, just hurts to watch Eberle play.

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After this series, Boucher's system is going to be all the rage (not that it's anything earth-shattering). As an outsider, I've seen this movie before, and the Minnesota Wild did it for years under Lemaire who got the most out of a relatively weak roster. The difference? The Lightning have just a couple more horses than the Wild ever did.

So how you build a team to break the 1-3-1? Speed. Whatever BB is doing has to thrown out the window; say what you will about playing a "defensive system", but it's wasting the puck pursuit ability that a 6'2, 230 monster like Ovechkin can provide. It wastes the vision, anticipation and intelligence of Backstrom.

Now, I'm not saying you give free reign to Semin/Green hockey; you end up with the opposite problem. But I see many, many parallels between the Caps of today and the Wings of the mid-90s. Detroit was a massively talented club that lapped the league during the regular season. But when matched up against New Jersey in the playoffs, they were neutralized time and time again.

The answer is the left-wing lock, specifically Scotty Bowman's implementation that was tweaked to beat the New Jersey 1-2-2. Two forwards high, last one to enter the zone plays in a rectangle just below the face-off dots. You turn the tables on Boucher and the Lightning and the game becomes about speed and numbers, not opportunity.

Although I think GMGM has done a decent job, his additions this year took the team backwards in that respect. What good is a Scott Hannan if he can't possibly catch St. Louis, Stamkos or Lecavalier? Montreal feasted on the Caps last year for the same reason- while they eventually bowed out to a bigger, more physical team both this and last year, Washington plays in a gray middle ground that is perfect for a team like the Habs to exploit.

If the Caps move to a LWL system and bring in more puck-hungry speedsters to compliment Chimera and Ovy, it'll pay dividends shortly. Washington already has Kuznetsov and Eakin in the pipeline and they're natural fits for such a style of play. On the trade market, you target guys like Darren Helm, Matt Lombardi, Erik Cole and Matt Cullen. A reclamation project like Andrew Cogliano might also pay dividends. Bring in three of the above five, focus your development and drafting on making sure you always have a couple such spare parts, play the lock, and that's a team that can compete with anybody.

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As an Islander fan who has seen far too many Capital games over the last 3 years because my GF's family are all diehard Caps fans i suggest these 4 simple (or not so simple) steps...

1. Get rid of Mike Green. I don't care if you don't get equal value back in a trade get ****ing rid of him. His hockey IQ is just flat out bad in his own end.

2. Hire a coach who can step into that club house on day one & make all those guys buy into his system. A guy who preaches hard work & sacrifice.

3. Pick a goalie & stick with that goalie, the goalie position should be a calming & reassuring position on a championship team.

4. Much harder to do then 1-3 but the Preds are loaded with D and Weber who's contract is nearing its end could possibly be available. Give up WHATEVER it takes to get him.


You do those 4 things you got a cup, but who knows if Weber becomes available.

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As an Islander fan who has seen far too many Capital games over the last 3 years because my GF's family are all diehard Caps fans i suggest these 4 simple (or not so simple) steps...

1. Get rid of Mike Green. I don't care if you don't get equal value back in a trade get ****ing rid of him. His hockey IQ is just flat out bad in his own end.

2. Hire a coach who can step into that club house on day one & make all those guys buy into his system. A guy who preaches hard work & sacrifice.

3. Pick a goalie & stick with that goalie, the goalie position should be a calming & reassuring position on a championship team.

4. Much harder to do then 1-3 but the Preds are loaded with D and Weber who's contract is nearing its end could possibly be available. Give up WHATEVER it takes to get him.


You do those 4 things you got a cup, but who knows if Weber becomes available.
Mike Green has been arguably the Caps' best defenseman in the playoffs and deserves credit for turning his game around. Of course, ignorant fans from other teams will stereotype him and scapegoat him for the Caps' loss that's really on a lack of discipline from their coach.

Other than that, you're right.

On the bright side, Neuvirth is a keeper.

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I was going to wait an comment here until the playoffs for us was over, but too mad to wait. Sorry for all you Green fans, but his ass needs to go. He is older and not learned a thing. I don't care how much better he played this year. Schultz is a no brainer, he needs to be booed out. As for some others, I would give them a chance under a new coach. GMGM needs to get his ass out and trade for some bruisers. For a guy that played tough, he sure is a wuss when it comes to getting those type of players. Hendricks, Bradley, and Erskine are tough, but they aren't enough. This team doesn't make opponents pay for getting near the crease and refuses to crash the opponents crease. Only Knuble and Chimera are doing that, sometimes Ovy. For those worried Green will come back and be a Cap killer, send his behind to Alberta. I used to be a big fan of this guy, but he really has shown no progress and there has to be a change. Get some value for this guy while it is still there. As for coaches, my fear is we'll get another player's coach and not somebody that will demand 110 percent. I wish they had performance contracts in pro sports. Sadly, I like Laich, but I doubt we will see him as a Cap again. He is going to get some real offers from teams, especially contenders.

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I really like Mac T for some reason.

Love alot of the things he`s been saying on TSN during this series.
Well he was a great player and brings a lot of cup experience. Not to mention, he did a wonderful job with the Oilers in 2006. During the post-Gretzky days in Edmonton, him and Tikkanen were real horses. He might, I say might be a guy who could get through to Mike Green too. Guys like Fehr, Gordon, Laich, Alzner, Carlson, would love him as a coach, but I doubt some of the Euros will. Then again, he did well with Hemsky and some others. If we're going to hire a coach, might as well get someone that has the SC wins as a player and at least made the finals as a coach. I have no doubt, he would teach the forwards how to get garbage goals. I would be all over hiring MacTavish. He would not tolerate having Schultz on the team either.

Go Caps!

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Mike Green has been arguably the Caps' best defenseman in the playoffs and deserves credit for turning his game around. Of course, ignorant fans from other teams will stereotype him and scapegoat him for the Caps' loss that's really on a lack of discipline from their coach.

Other than that, you're right.

On the bright side, Neuvirth is a keeper.
What games in the playoffs have you been watching???? Its either Green or Schultz or for most of the Lighting goals. Put away the man love for Green and open your eyes. If Green isn't playing in the offense, he takes his puck ad goes home.

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