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05-05-2011, 11:43 AM
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The real crime with the bottom pair defensemen is that Paul Holmgren signed Bartulis to a new multi-year one-way contract after just 10 NHL games, and then did as much as possible to keep him off the ice.

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He made $5.7 mill, how much less do you really think he is going to take?
...and nobody thought Nabokov or Turco were going to take less either last year and we all saw that Nabokov signed for $500K and Turco just slightly more than one million. Anything can happen in free agency and when most teams already have a number one goaltender in place, no one is going to race out to sign Vokoun or Bryzgalov. There's only four real teams I can see competing for the two and that's Phoenix, Tampa Bay, Philadelphia and possibly Washington (although McPhee is pretty high on the Neuvirth/Varlamov tandem).

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...and nobody thought Nabokov or Turco were going to take less either last year and we all saw that Nabokov signed for $500K and Turco just slightly more than one million. Anything can happen in free agency and when most teams already have a number one goaltender in place, no one is going to race out to sign Vokoun or Bryzgalov. There's only four real teams I can see competing for the two and that's Phoenix, Tampa Bay, Philadelphia and possibly Washington (although McPhee is pretty high on the Neuvirth/Varlamov tandem).
As they should be, I think. Hell, we should be high on Bob... but if we can get one of those guys for a couple of years, then Bob is in line to inherit the team when he's 25 or whatever (not exactly old for a goalie...).

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He also seems like an excellent team player... which I appreciate in a backup. If they decide that they're going with Bob AS THEIR STARTER next year (and that means including the playoffs, no matter what), then I would like to have Boucher back.

If they are not willing to make that commitment, then they need to explore other options. I never had high hopes for this team this playoff year due to the goaltending, but did want Bob to get a taste for the playoffs... that went out the window real fast.
I agree with you wholeheartedly.

I always sorta figured this year would likely be lost to goaltending, but at least thought Bob would get valuable experience. Unfortunately, Lavi ruined that, so now the best possible outcome is that they just make a choice.

If Bob is our future, make him the #1 next year and invest confidence in him; I'd take Boosh in that, too, since he's a perfect backup. But I'd like some flexibility. If they don't think Bob is the guy, then go out and get me a legitimate starting goaltender and end this stupid game. Let Bob get 20-30 quality starts and learn without the pressure, and see how it goes.

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The real crime with the bottom pair defensemen is that Paul Holmgren signed Bartulis to a new multi-year one-way contract after just 10 NHL games, and then did as much as possible to keep him off the ice.
It's ridiculous what they did to Bartulis this year... but the one-way deal doesn't really matter. The reality is that apparently Holmgren and co. did not understand the waiver rules and thought Bartulis was still exempt.

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It's ridiculous what they did to Bartulis this year... but the one-way deal doesn't really matter. The reality is that apparently Holmgren and co. did not understand the waiver rules and thought Bartulis was still exempt.
It didn't matter when he signed it, but only after he became waiver-eligible.

Wasn't there someone else something similar happened to?

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It didn't matter when he signed it, but only after he became waiver-eligible.

Wasn't there someone else something similar happened to?
Well, they can know the rules independent of all of that. They *ed up in understanding Bartulis' waiver situation, and he was stuck on the big club all year because of it. Wouldn't have mattered if he was in the AHL making his one-way salary.

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Well, they can know the rules independent of all of that. They *ed up in understanding Bartulis' waiver situation, and he was stuck on the big club all year because of it. Wouldn't have mattered if he was in the AHL making his one-way salary.
Are the contract rules of the NHL rocket science or something?

Or is Holmgren and company just this stupid?

Why is it that year after year they make silly little mistakes like the Pronger deal?

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Are the contract rules of the NHL rocket science or something?

Or is Holmgren and company just this stupid?

Why is it that year after year they make silly little mistakes like the Pronger deal?
Good questions. Meltzer had a few blogs on it last summer, and he apparently was told they thought he was waiver eligible (Meltzer disagreed) and that they were asking the NHL for clarification or whatever. Apparently it was a "close call" but that's something that they should have been aware of for sure.

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Are the contract rules of the NHL rocket science or something?

Or is Holmgren and company just this stupid?

Why is it that year after year they make silly little mistakes like the Pronger deal?
There really is no excuse for these types of mistakes. When you are running a hockey team, you should have some pretty smart people giving advice to the decision makers. Homer is a hockey guy who makes hockey decisions. You would think the "cap guys/accountants" (or gals) would be in on meetings to give Homer and the management team the advice they need to make decisions. I have a hard time believing they run their business so poorly. Just like in Chicago with Tallon. There simply has to be people in the organization that make sure the decision makers have the information and are aware of key dates (it really is not that hard). How the **** does the entire operation "forget" you have to qualify free agents by a certain date? How the *** does nobody in the Flyers organization not know if Bartulis would have been eligible? Or that Pronger would be a +35 contract?

Mind boggling. Especially considering many of us spend an hour or two looking into it on the internet and have the information the Flyers simply could not figure out.

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05-05-2011, 12:32 PM
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This could be cool, but i doubt that Leino signs for 1.5

FORWARDS
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jeff Carter ($5.272m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Ville Leino ($1.500m)
Raffi Torres ($1.100m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / Erik Cole ($2.000m)
Michael Testwuide ($0.900m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Darroll Powe ($0.850m)

DEFENSEMEN
Chris Pronger ($4.921m) / Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m)
Braydon Coburn ($3.200m) / Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)

GOALTENDERS
Tomas Vokoun ($3.500m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,381,655; BONUSES: $1,960,000
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $18,345

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This could be cool, but i doubt that Leino signs for 1.5

FORWARDS
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jeff Carter ($5.272m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Ville Leino ($1.500m)
Raffi Torres ($1.100m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / Erik Cole ($2.000m)
Michael Testwuide ($0.900m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Darroll Powe ($0.850m)

DEFENSEMEN
Chris Pronger ($4.921m) / Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m)
Braydon Coburn ($3.200m) / Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)

GOALTENDERS
Tomas Vokoun ($3.500m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,381,655; BONUSES: $1,960,000
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $18,345
18k in cap room isn't enough.

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18k in cap room isn't enough.
He didn't bump it to next years cap number, so it'll be fine.

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He didn't bump it to next years cap number, so it'll be fine.

Never mind, 18k in cap room is enough.

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Never mind, 18k in cap room is enough.
I had the same thought at first. It is lacking extra men, so you'll have some more cap space taken.

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yeah, it's not factoring in the bump in cap next season, since i don't think it's been officially announced yet, has it?

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It would be inexcusable for the Flyers to stand pat or make a lateral move in goal. It is blatantly obvious that a major upgrade is needed.

If they start next season without un-****ing the goaltending situation, then Homer needs to be fired. And executed.

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yeah, it's not factoring in the bump in cap next season, since i don't think it's been officially announced yet, has it?
They have a ballpark of 2-3M, but it can't be official until after the playoffs... as the playoffs generate a lot of league revenue.

If you want a big bump, hope that TB doesn't make the SCF... though that matters less now that they have a long-term TV deal in place.

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They have a ballpark of 2-3M, but it can't be official until after the playoffs... as the playoffs generate a lot of league revenue.

If you want a big bump, hope that TB doesn't make the SCF... though that matters less now that they have a long-term TV deal in place.
ah, because it's based off of the yearly revenue from the start of the season? or the calander year?

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ah, because it's based off of the yearly revenue from the start of the season? or the calander year?
For the league year, yeah. So they tally it all up in June, and then the math is applied and you get the salary cap from there.

So, after next year, we should see a noticeable bump with the league getting the new TV deal revenue -- assuming the new CBA gets worked out and has a similar formula.

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It would be inexcusable for the Flyers to stand pat or make a lateral move in goal. It is blatantly obvious that a major upgrade is needed.

If they start next season without un-****ing the goaltending situation, then Homer needs to be fired. And executed.
^^^THIS!

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For the league year, yeah. So they tally it all up in June, and then the math is applied and you get the salary cap from there.

So, after next year, we should see a noticeable bump with the league getting the new TV deal revenue -- assuming the new CBA gets worked out and has a similar formula.
well that's good for us then...

Anyway, i think Erik Cole would be awesome on this team. We need his size and someone else to get to grimey areas and contrast the overwhelming pass first mentality of this team, and the need to make pretty plays.
I also think Torres would be a good fit because he's a great penalty killer and someone who could potentially fill the void left by lappy.

I guess, depending on how much the cap goes up this summer, we could potentially fit Leino into that lineup for a bit more than 1.5.

i put testwuide on the 4th line because i couldn't think of anything else haha. any other ideas?

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Well on a blog site (broadstreethockey), I dont think I can argue for myself. They think they should sign Boosh again and do the same thing we did this season.

I think their our opposites. They think we should fire Lavy, Homer is a good GM, and Matt Carle is one of the team's best defenders (no lie). Not making it up.

But yea the point of this post was that some people out there are actually 100% comfortable with our goaltending.

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This is another solution, excpet this one is assuming the cap goes up 3 million in the off-season...

FORWARDS
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jeff Carter ($5.272m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Ville Leino ($2.000m)
Eric Wellwood ($0.580m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / Erik Cole ($2.000m)
Raffi Torres ($1.100m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Darroll Powe ($0.850m)

DEFENSEMEN
Chris Pronger ($4.921m) / Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m)
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Braydon Coburn ($3.200m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Jan Hejda ($2.500m)
/ Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)

GOALTENDERS
Tomas Vokoun ($3.500m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

SALARY CAP: $62,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,061,655; BONUSES: $1,700,000
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $338,345

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Can we get Chris Schafer to chime in on this?

I'm very interested in hearing what he has to say.

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