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05-06-2011, 04:25 PM
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This is awful value. I know you're a bad leaf homer, but since you love talking about the Kaberle trade so much, let's try to piece this together. Green, who is MUCH better and younger than Kabs, while also being under contract is worth less than Kaberle? Colburne and Gardiner can count as a wash, but 1st rounder>Mckegg, so the value undershoots Green already without factoring what I just mentioned.


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05-06-2011, 04:35 PM
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This is awful value. I know you're a bad leaf homer, but since you love talking about the Kaberle trade so much, let's try to piece this together. Green, who is MUCH better and younger than Kabs, while also being under contract is worth less than Kaberle? Colburne and Gardiner can count as a wash, but 1st rounder>Mckegg, so the value undershoots Green already without factoring what I just mentioned.




I don't blame you.
Kaberle's UFA status didn't factor in at all like all of you claimed it would. Green being RFA in a year means little.

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05-06-2011, 04:54 PM
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Kaberle's UFA status didn't factor in at all like all of you claimed it would. Green being RFA in a year means little.
it means he has more value if anything, UFA walks you get nothing, someone else signs RFA there is compensation.

This is just a horrible proposal and it's proposals like this that give legit intelligent leaf fans a bad stigma across HF, espically in the trade section... though it did rather deliver on the lulz

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05-06-2011, 04:59 PM
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it means he has more value if anything, UFA walks you get nothing, someone else signs RFA there is compensation.

This is just a horrible proposal and it's proposals like this that give legit intelligent leaf fans a bad stigma across HF, espically in the trade section... though it did rather deliver on the lulz
But Kaberle for a first was also a "Horrible" proposal that apparently gave Leaf fans a bad name too. And that's not to mention the value of players like Beauchemin and Versteeg.

Green isn't worth as much as many of you apparently think. And I'm probably the biggest non-Cap fan Green defender around here.

Since so many of you have been owned by Leaf fans on subjects of what Leaf players have been worth, you should step down from your soapbox.

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05-06-2011, 05:05 PM
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A top 50 prospect is a "2B" prospect?

Oh yeah, they're Leaf prospects, so they're horrible.

HF has Gardiner at #41 in NHL prospects and Mckegg was 8th in OHL scoring this season and looked fantastic.

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Um, why don't you calm the **** down?

They are B prospects. i.e., they're not as likely to become impact players as others; prospects that almost every team has in their system. I'd say the top 15 or 20 prospects are in the A range. Why would they be enough to land possibly the top offensive d-man in the game?

Leafs persecution complex is alive and kicking, as always.

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05-06-2011, 05:07 PM
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Um, why don't you calm the **** down?

They are B prospects. i.e., they're not as likely to become impact players as others; prospects that almost every team has in their system. I'd say the top 15 or 20 prospects are in the A range. Why would they be enough to land possibly the top offensive d-man in the game?

Leafs persecution complex is alive and kicking, as always.
Good luck getting a top 10 NHL prospect for Green. It's not happening.

I don't categorize a top 50 NHL prospect as a "2B" prospect at all.

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05-06-2011, 05:08 PM
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If the caps are going to trade Mike Green my guess is they are going to look for an elite shutdown type of defenseman they lack. They have Dennis Wideman and John Carlson signed for next season, two very good puck movers and Green could be expendable.

My guess is Green could get traded for a guy like Bouwmeester or Regehr+, he won't be traded for picks prospects or young players. The caps will want to tweak their line up not rebuild.

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It's really ridiculous how much "cap" is overrated.

I mean, sure it's good to have more cap space, but how is making your team substantially worse going to have any better affect.

I would love to take the large cap hit of Sidney Crosby off the hands of the Penguins, but that's not going to happen, is it?

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05-06-2011, 05:11 PM
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As a Leaf fan, Washington says *click*.

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A top 50 prospect is a "2B" prospect?

Oh yeah, they're Leaf prospects, so they're horrible.

HF has Gardiner at #41 in NHL prospects and Mckegg was 8th in OHL scoring this season and looked fantastic.

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Yeah i'm sure NHL GMs check the HF's prospect rankings before they make deals




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Gardiner and Mckegg? Are you kidding me?

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Good luck getting a top 10 NHL prospect for Green. It's not happening.
Yeah, pretty sure I didn't even mention top 10, and yes I think a top 15-20 prospect would be a necessity for a defenseman who can put up crazy numbers. He may not be great in his own end (even though he's improved), but how many guys in the league have the offensive impact he does from the back end? And how many prospects could even think about getting to that level? The answer to both questions is this: very few.

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I don't categorize a top 50 NHL prospect as a "2B" prospect at all.
I didn't say 2B. I said 2 B prospects. As in, two prospects who are on the B level, which Gardener and McKegg are. You think Anaheim would have traded an A prospect for Beauchemin?

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05-06-2011, 05:14 PM
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Yeah i'm sure NHL GMs check the HF's prospect rankings before they make deals



But a bunch of NHL fans know more than HF about prospects?

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But Kaberle for a first was also a "Horrible" proposal that apparently gave Leaf fans a bad name too. And that's not to mention the value of players like Beauchemin and Versteeg.

Green isn't worth as much as many of you apparently think. And I'm probably the biggest non-Cap fan Green defender around here.

Since so many of you have been owned by Leaf fans on subjects of what Leaf players have been worth, you should step down from your soapbox.
Okay let's get this argument straight...

Because Beauch, Steeg and Kabs got more than HF believed the market value was... that means Mike Green will fetch less??...

Not sure what Kabs/Steeg/Beauch have to do with you making a wretched proposal for an Allstar player... but whatever.





Great logic.

Smashing job!!!


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05-06-2011, 05:16 PM
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Okay let's get this argument straight...

Because Beauch, Steeg and Kabs got more than HF believed the market value was... that means Mike Green will fetch less??



Great logic.

Smashing job!!!

That's EXACTLY what I was saying

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05-06-2011, 05:23 PM
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That's EXACTLY what I was saying
Mike Green is better than Kaberle, younger and RFA...

Kabs bagged a 1st, a prospect and a conditional 2nd.

What you offered... is less than what Kaberle got... (1st + top 50 prospect and conidional 2nd>Gardiner and McKegg)

Again, your logic or lack there of makes no sense.

I am not sure if you're trying to make a statement regarding the value of Leaf players, or are too dense to realise what a crappy proposal this really is.

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05-06-2011, 05:26 PM
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Mike Green is better than Kaberle, younger and RFA...

Kabs bagged a 1st, a prospect and a conditional 2nd.

What you offered... is less than what Kaberle got... (1st + top 50 prospect and conidional 2nd>Gardiner and McKegg)

Again, your logic or lack there of makes no sense.

I am not sure if you're trying to make a statement regarding the value of Leaf players, or are too dense to realise what a crappy proposal this really is.
You can't compare one trade to another. Dreger and Mackenzie both said no other teams offered anything close to what Boston did for Kaberle.

The argument BEFORE the trade was Kaberle being UFA took his value down substantially. Obviously it did not.

Mike Green not being UFA doesn't put him in another orbit in terms of value.

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05-06-2011, 05:31 PM
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Mike Green not being UFA doesn't put him in another orbit in terms of value.
Having PPG capabilities does. So does being younger.

You're seriously out to lunch if you think you could land a perennial Norris candidate for 2 prospects that just about every team in the league has in their system.

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I wish this was all it take to get Mike Green

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On a serious note what would it take for the leafs to get mike green? I know it won't happen I'm just wondering his value.

I'm guessing it would start with
Kadri
Aulie
Phili 1st
Boston 1st

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Tyler Bozak
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Clarke MacArthur
2nd
Philly's 3rd

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On a serious note what would it take for the leafs to get mike green? I know it won't happen I'm just wondering his value.
My guess, if the Caps wanted to trade Green the Leafs would have to give up Schenn. They would want to tweak their line up and get a good shut down defensemen in return. They aren't looking to rebuild

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Tyler Bozak
Carl Gunnarson
Clarke MacArthur
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My guess, if the Caps wanted to trade Green the Leafs would have to give up Schenn. They would want to tweak their line up and get a good shut down defensemen in return. They aren't looking to rebuild
Yep.

Schenn + Kadri would get Capitals thinking, not sure if they do it.

Regardless it would be Schenn+

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But Kaberle for a first was also a "Horrible" proposal that apparently gave Leaf fans a bad name too. And that's not to mention the value of players like Beauchemin and Versteeg.
Just because the leafs got what they wanted in a few trades doesn't mean they can get arguably the best offensive defenseman for two prospects. You'd probably have to add atleast the 2 firsts for Washington to even consider this.

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