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05-07-2011, 01:21 AM
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Someone mentioned earlier that they thought timonen might retire. I kind of been thinking this too. And it kills me to say it but i dont think it would be the worst thing. He just looks more tired every year, especiall in the playoffs. Obviously wed have to replace him, but that 6+ million in cap space would look amazing right now

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05-07-2011, 01:24 AM
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Someone mentioned earlier that they thought timonen might retire. I kind of been thinking this too. And it kills me to say it but i dont think it would be the worst thing. He just looks more tired every year, especiall in the playoffs. Obviously wed have to replace him, but that 6+ million in cap space would look amazing right now
I'm sure Homer would find some stupid way to blow the money

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I'd like to see changes made in each department of the team.

Coaching: I think Lavy is a great coach, but he had a pretty brutal playoff. Between the juggaling of the goaltenders and losing the matchup battles at home to Boston, Lavy needs to do a better job next year. Also, The coaching staff has to make fixing the power play the #1 priority going into training camp. Lastly, I'd really like to see them work on shootouts. I know it's a gimmick, but it's here to stay, might as well try to be a little better at it.
He kept doing this one thing in games 3 and 4 where he would over use the Briere line. For example; the Bruins would go on the Power play and we would kill it off, but because Boston basically spent 2 minutes in the attacking zone trying to score, they still kept coming at us hard trying to press for a goal. So the obvious thing to do is put a line out there that is good defensively, problem with that though is Giroux, Richie and Betts are tired from killing the penalty. So the next smart thing to do is put Versteeg-Carter-JVR out for one shift while the rest of the centers catch their breaths right? Wrong, he would put the HBL line out there and of course they get pinned in their own end for about 35 seconds.

He just kept shoving the HBL line down our throats, almost as if he was hoping that the spark they had last year would just magically come back. It felt like every time we had a push back from Giroux's line or Richie's line, the HBL line would come back out and completely suck all the energy we created with a bad turnover in the neutral zone. Then to make matters worst not only would he match the HBL line (which we've already established is horrible defensively) against Boston's top line; but he would also give that line defensive zone faceoffs regularly


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Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Ville Leino ($2.550m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / Scottie Upshall (maybe) ($2.550m)
Arron Asham ($0.700m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jeff Carter ($5.272m)
Darroll Powe ($0.750m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Zenon Konopka ($0.750m)
Andreas Nodl ($0.650m)

Chris Pronger ($4.921m) / Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m)
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Braydon Coburn ($3.200m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)
Paul Mara(or someone else) ($0.700m)

Tomas Vokoun ($4.000m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CAP PAYROLL: $62,181,655

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05-07-2011, 01:32 AM
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Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Ville Leino ($2.550m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / Scottie Upshall (maybe) ($2.550m)
Arron Asham ($0.700m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jeff Carter ($5.272m)
Darroll Powe ($0.750m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Zenon Konopka ($0.750m)
Andreas Nodl ($0.650m)

Chris Pronger ($4.921m) / Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m)
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Braydon Coburn ($3.200m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)
Paul Mara(or someone else) ($0.700m)

Tomas Vokoun ($4.000m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CAP PAYROLL: $62,181,655
I like this team a lot. But im growing tired of leinos play. If we could replace him with someone who plays similar to upshall ofr the same or less money id be happy

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05-07-2011, 01:35 AM
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I like this team a lot. But im growing tired of leinos play. If we could replace him with someone who plays similar to upshall ofr the same or less money id be happy
I think it's more of the problem that we should have about 1M cap space or so left and this relies too heavily on getting players from a whole slew of different teams. I'd say at most, we should try to sign only 2 or 3 people that are not currently on the team. A goalie, and probably 2 forwards.

I'd still REALLY take a look at Jussi Jokinen, and it is kinda amazing how he hasn't been re-signed yet for the Canes.

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I think it's more of the problem that we should have about 1M cap space or so left and this relies too heavily on getting players from a whole slew of different teams. I'd say at most, we should try to sign only 2 or 3 people that are not currently on the team. A goalie, and probably 2 forwards.

I'd still REALLY take a look at Jussi Jokinen, and it is kinda amazing how he hasn't been re-signed yet for the Canes.
I wouldnt mind jokinen. I just dont think we need nine guys who are scorers. The six we have are fine. Just need to find the right pieces to fit with them. Or we need to stack the first two lines and make and third, but i do not think that will happen.

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Anyone up for Versteeg for Clutterbuck?

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Off topic question: what's up with Henrik Sedin? seems pretty quiet besides that empty netter, is he injured?
He looked a lot better the last game, but the speculation is that he's battling an injury, looks to be related to his back or maybe groin, but who knows.

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Trade Versteeg and Carle. Re-sign Powe, Nodl and Leino. When the cap goes up 3M, bring in Gustafsson in for Carle, have Barts as our #6 and sign Vokoun to 2 years at 4M per year.

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / Erik Cole ($2.000m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Ville Leino ($2.500m)
Andreas Nodl ($1.000m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jeff Carter ($5.272m)
Jody Shelley ($1.100m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Darroll Powe ($0.725m)

DEFENSEMEN
Chris Pronger ($4.921m) / Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m)
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Braydon Coburn ($3.200m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)

GOALTENDERS
Tomas Vokoun ($4.000m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
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SALARY CAP: $62,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $60,856,655; BONUSES: $1,700,000
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $1,543,345
I love this team.

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05-07-2011, 01:59 AM
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I love this team.
Actually, I would think that Jussi is more attainable than Cole now that I think about it, also Jussi would fit our budget probably better, even though Cole's physical is always welcome and knows Lavy's system well. Unless you think Cole would come cheaper than Jussi (Jussi is getting 1.7M right now and Cole is getting 2.9M and they had the same amount of points pretty much throughout the season) because of his age? Also, anyone up for trading Versteeg for Clutterbuck?

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Actually, I would think that Jussi is more attainable than Cole now that I think about it, also Jussi would fit our budget probably better, even though Cole's physical is always welcome and knows Lavy's system well. Unless you think Cole would come cheaper than Jussi (Jussi is getting 1.7M right now and Cole is getting 2.9M and they had the same amount of points pretty much throughout the season) because of his age? Also, anyone up for trading Versteeg for Clutterbuck?
I think Cole brings a more physical game and that is what we need. Clutterbuck and Versteeg have similar goals and assists. Clutterbuck would bring hits and physical play and Versteeg brings a puckhandler. I think it depends on what we do with Hartnell. If we want to move Hartnell then sure bring Clutterbuck in. If not I would keep Versteeg.

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I would do Versteeg for Clutterbuck. Make it happen Homer

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Are NHL defensemen only allowed to shoot left handed? If not, how about we get a right handed dman? That would be cool.

Oh and a goalie. But we all know it'll be Bob and MFL.

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I got another idea, how about we trade Carle and Versteeg for the rights of Jokinen and Cole. I know they are free agents, but we'd have more leeway I think than others to sign both of them. I'm sure that both Jokinen and Cole would do it just to play for Lavy. But that's assuming a lot and risking a huge trade amount and may get nothing out of it. But seriously, I think the trade would benefit both sides. Canes really need another PMD and they need another two-way forward. We just need two different forwards, while one of them being a hitting machine, yet has a good scoring touch.

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05-07-2011, 02:56 AM
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Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Ville Leino ($2.550m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / Scottie Upshall (maybe) ($2.550m)
Arron Asham ($0.700m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jeff Carter ($5.272m)
Darroll Powe ($0.750m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Zenon Konopka ($0.750m)
Andreas Nodl ($0.650m)

Chris Pronger ($4.921m) / Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m)
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Braydon Coburn ($3.200m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)
Paul Mara(or someone else) ($0.700m)

Tomas Vokoun ($4.000m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CAP PAYROLL: $62,181,655
Problem with this is the Flyers would once again be back to having only 4 of 6 dependable defenseman. With Pronger and Timonen two years older than the last time we had that problem...

I've liked the little bit of Gustafsson I've seen, but still a risk. And if he doesn't work out, theres very little wiggle room with the cap to correct it. Would rather have him, Bart, Syrvet all battling for one spot.

Would love to see Upshaw and Asham back with the team though. Wish the Flyers were better with asset management. We could have had Richards with Upshaw and Downie on his wings. That line would have been great to watch.

And we're not getting Clutterbuck for Versteeg. Wild would never do that straight up, and the Flyers don't have the prospects or the picks to sweeten the pot.

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As much as I like Timonen ans think he has been one of the most underated players of the past 10 years... I fear his time might be up. He looked terrible in these playoffs. He looks slow, not much physicality, and his QB of the powerplay has been dismal. I hope it was just an off year...

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A couple of things. One things i Noticed this series is our lack of diversity when it comes to scoring. Boston scored a variety of goals this series, weather it be dirty goals in the crease, rebounds, snipes from the point, snipes from the blueline, a lot of behind the net play. It all starts however with traffic in the Middle. And right now we only have one player who consistently is able to get in front of the crease and plant himself there on a consistent basis and that is Hartnell. We need to find atleast one more forward that can create as much if not more havoc in front of the net. I think one thing we saw this series is that when you face an elite goaltender you have to be able to get in front of him and stop his line of sight and get some deflections, one thing we could not do this series.


Second I think we have a good idea of who our core is this series and who is not, we have our core signed for the foreseeable future but we also have some contracts that are going to become problems in a little while. Pronger, Timmonen, Briere, are well into there 30's and all have quite a few more years on there deals. I know by just mentioning the idea of trading Pronger on this board is reason for treason but an open minded individual will see the writing on the wall. Yes Pronger has so many great characteristics about him and his game that make us annual contenders but the reality is, we need to get a bit younger on the blue line. We only have Mez signed for the future. Coburn may be gone next year. And carle is someone we all want gone. Trading Pronger does a few things, It replenishes us with some cheap young talent or picks, and it Frees up Cap Space to get a Dman like Weber.

Getting a guy like Weber is a chance for this team to dramatically extend its window of opportunity.

If we test the waters and see we can sign weber, then im all for trying to trade pronger. A team like the Caps would obviously be intrested and would pay top dollar i presume. If getting a Dman like weber is a no go, then keep pronger. what do you guys think

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Also we need a new 4th line. We need our grinders to chip in a few goals. Everytime betts and powe hit the ice it pretty much signals no offensive gain at all. I would really like to see matt read make the team.

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I would love Clutterbuck if for no other reason than I think his name is awesome.

He also strikes me as the type of player that would be a great complement to this team.

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FORWARDS
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / Jussi Jokinen ($2.500m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Erik Cole ($2.500m)
Andreas Nodl ($0.900m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jeff Carter ($5.272m)
Jody Shelley ($1.100m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Darroll Powe ($0.800m)

DEFENSEMEN
Chris Pronger ($4.921m) / Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m)
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Braydon Coburn ($3.200m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)

GOALTENDERS
Tomas Vokoun ($4.000m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $62,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $61,331,655; BONUSES: $1,700,000
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $1,068,345

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I'm still not mentally ready to look forward to the off season. Still, if we could flip Carle for picks/prospects to a team that could use a pmd (Columbus perhaps?) and use that cap space to sign Vokoun I'd be happy.

Other than that, I've barely glanced at what is available in the free agent market. When I allow my daydreams to run wild we sign one of my favourite players growing up Michael Nylander (who last I heard worked hard to make a comeback and prove he still can play in the NHL) to replace Leino and he turns out to find instant chemistry with JvR-Giroux or Brière. Not that likely, I know but the little boy in me must dream sometimes.

Other than that players I like who are upcoming UFA's include Chris Higgins, Patrick Eaves, Erik Cole, and Michael Ryder for forwards. If we would resign Gagné to a suitable contract I wouldn't shed any tears either although the injury history is troubling to say the least. If Zherdev is resigned I could live with that as well. Upshall back would be ok with me as well. I have no idea how much money these players will command though, most of them are probably not of interest to us unless we shed some other salaries.

On defense it's a bit trickier I think. If O'Donnell leaves and we want to replace him with another tough and gritty veteran how about Craig Rivet? He's coming off a terrible year, but he has a solid career and if he finds his game again he'll be a tremendous guy to have for a #6 role. Jonathan Ericsson perhaps if we want to look at someone younger? Other than that I like Pitkänen, Markov (injuries though...), Brewer, Bieksa and I've always had a soft spot for Roman Hamrlik for some reason (could be the awesome name). Those would require some more tinkering with the lineup though (plus I know we won't be looking at Pitkänen).

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Someone mentioned earlier that they thought timonen might retire. I kind of been thinking this too. And it kills me to say it but i dont think it would be the worst thing. He just looks more tired every year, especiall in the playoffs. Obviously wed have to replace him, but that 6+ million in cap space would look amazing right now
I doubt Timonen retires. $12+ million is a lot of money to leave on the table for a guy who, while he may have lost a step, still clearly cares about the game. The only way I see him retiring is if the team asks him to and agrees to pay that money to him anyway to be a scout or something, which I don't see happening. However, I am in agreement that it may not be the worst thing in the world if he does retire.

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I would feel very uncomfortable heading into the season with Gustafsson and Bartulis both being in the lineup.

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Moving forward, there are a host of questions that will need to be addressed this summer. In the weeks to come, I will devote a blog per day to giving my take on each issue, starting today. The questions, which are not grouped in order of importance, are as follows:

1) Is there still a legitimate window of opportunity to win the Stanley Cup in 2011-12 with Chris Pronger and Kimmo Timonen as the key players on defense?

2) In what direction should the Flyers look for a starting goaltender next season? Who will be the backup goalie?

3) Did Peter Laviolette lose the support of the players in the locker room? If so, is the situation something that can be repaired next season for a longer playoff run?

4) Is there enough grit among the Flyers' top nine forwards to perform better next season when they run into grind-it-out games?

5) Is the combination of personalities in the locker room able to win together. Should a core player (i.e., Richards or Carter) be dealt to change the makeup of the team?

6) Should Ville Leino be resigned and at what price?

7) Next season, will James van Riemsdyk be the dominant player we saw in Game 1 and especially in Game 2 of the Boston series or the one who was as invisible as the rest of the club the remainder of the series?

8) What went wrong with the Flyers' power play this season? Is it correctable for next season if the personnel is still largely the same?

9) It was clear that the Kris Versteeg acquisition did not pay off this year. Should he be dealt in the offseason or will he be a better fit next year?

10) Not for next season, but in planning for the seasons beyond, the Flyers have a decision to make about whether they should make long-term committments (i.e., multi-year, big dollar contracts) to Braydon Coburn and/or Matt Carle. Given salary cap concerns, it's probably going to have to be one or the other. Which one should it be?

11) Should Sean O'Donnell be resigned? If so, should he be in the starting 6 or moved into the 7th defenseman role?

12) Should the Flyers attempt to resign their other free agents apart from Leino and/or O'Donnell?

13) What should the Flyers do about the contracts of Michael Leighton and Matt Walker? Another year of being waived to the AHL?

14) Is there any help imminent in the farm system? Should the Flyers try to stock up (rather than dealing off) draft picks?

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