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05-07-2011, 08:07 AM
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Richards has not grown into the role of a leader. Give the C to #20, #48, or #28.

Trade #17, #19, #44
Yes, let's give it to Pronger whose biggest purpose in life is to act like a clown to the media instead of give straight answers. Someone who is aging and breaking down.

Or Briere, who scores pretty goals but never backchecks and repeatedly takes stupid penalties.

Or Giroux, who has become the poster child for turnovers.

By all means, trade Carter, our only good face off guy who we've relegated to RW even though we suck on faceoffs and the other centres are small. Oh, and one of few forwards who actually plays both ends.

And of course Kimmo, the slacker. All he does is play ES, PP and PK and makes his partner a better player.

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05-07-2011, 08:29 AM
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People want Pronger to have the C.


That would have worked out so well since he barely played in the playoffs.

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05-07-2011, 09:36 AM
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Isn't Richards hurt? Playing through some type of leg/foot injury since the start of the playoffs as far as I can remember.

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05-07-2011, 09:48 AM
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People want Pronger to have the C.


That would have worked out so well since he barely played in the playoffs.
This was my thought, but didn't post as not to upset all of the Pronger fans. But honestly, the guy barely played and is quickly turning into another waste of cap space due to his injuries and fragility - you've nailed it.

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05-07-2011, 09:56 AM
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This was my thought, but didn't post as not to upset all of the Pronger fans. But honestly, the guy barely played and is quickly turning into another waste of cap space due to his injuries and fragility - you've nailed it.
Well, I'm not either. Pronger barely played, so all the "captain pressure" would have went to Richards anyways.

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05-07-2011, 09:57 AM
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New Flyers captain perhaps?

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This is quite possibly the worst thread of the year. Worse than the Toronto fan offering us bad prospects for Carter, because that was at least hilarious.

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05-07-2011, 12:16 PM
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There really isn't much for Captain material on this team outside of Richards imo. The only way he'd ever lose the C, would be through a huge shake up or gutting of the team. The comparisons to Clarke were indeed premature though, he's a much different kind of leader.

I could see a guy like Giroux down the road a bit, He's got a lot of snarl to his game and handles defensive responsibility pretty well.

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05-07-2011, 12:26 PM
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Richards had a bit of a down year and playoff by his standards. Last season, I though him and Pronger were the heart and soul of the team. I'm not ready to give up on him. My only problem with Richards, and you can say this about a few different players on this team, is that sometimes he'll try and do too much in the offensive end. I get annoyed every time he comes in 1 on 3 and tries to stick handle through three defensemen. I'd rather him keep his game simple.

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05-07-2011, 01:02 PM
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There really isn't much for Captain material on this team outside of Richards imo. The only way he'd ever lose the C, would be through a huge shake up or gutting of the team. The comparisons to Clarke were indeed premature though, he's a much different kind of leader.

I could see a guy like Giroux down the road a bit, He's got a lot of snarl to his game and handles defensive responsibility pretty well.
you cant even compare the 2 eras when it comes to dealing with the media. How would Clarke deal with the media if he was a player now and dealing with stupid questions from our wonderfull writers in Philly. its not the same kind of deal either when he was a GM here. What did Philly have 1 or 2 media outlets to deal with on a constant daily basis during the season when Clarke was a player?
I do agree there isnt a single player you can give the captian too outside of Richards. The comparisons were kind of premature too and I would agree with that and the media and people jumped all over it. When things dont go well people jump all over Richards. If poeple are really worried about Richards being Captian or not then they are blind to the other more important issues surrounding this hockey club.
Then again this is one topic people love to troll on. Including many unnamed fools who post here.

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05-07-2011, 02:13 PM
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Briere captain?.....


The only letters Briere should have on his jersey are the ones that spell out his last name.


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05-07-2011, 02:55 PM
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I would like to see a coaching change and start next season with no captain

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05-07-2011, 03:05 PM
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Or Briere, who scores pretty goals but never backchecks and repeatedly takes stupid penalties.
I'm certainly not advocating giving the C to Briere, but scoring "pretty goals" couldn't be further from the truth.

The majority of his goals are scored within 6 feet of the net. He's the smaller guy on the team, but has no fear.

It's not a coincidence that only JVR and Briere put pucks in the net during the playoffs. They were the only two forwards they were consistently around the net.

If you want to score goals in this league, there is no secret. Go to the net. Find the rebounds, win battles.

Richards, Giroux, Hartnell, Versteeg, Leino et. al. need to take some lessons.

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05-07-2011, 03:10 PM
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His shoulders are probably in fairly bad shape, he didn't really have a physical year, which is an important part of his game.

No one showed up this series, I think the tank was on E.

Maybe the goalie situation made these players think more and they thought they had to make the great play all the time and that hurt us in the end.

The best bet is to get a veteran goalie in here with a 3 year deal, and next year hand him the reigns and follow up the next with Bob getting a chance to take over number 1.

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05-07-2011, 03:11 PM
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I'm certainly not advocating giving the C to Briere, but scoring "pretty goals" couldn't be further from the truth.

The majority of his goals are scored within 6 feet of the net. He's the smaller guy on the team, but has no fear.

It's not a coincidence that only JVR and Briere put pucks in the net during the playoffs. They were the only two forwards they were consistently around the net.

If you want to score goals in this league, there is no secret. Go to the net. Find the rebounds, win battles.

Richards, Giroux, Hartnell, Versteeg, Leino et. al. need to take some lessons.
Bolded is pretty bad because it's essentially one of the two jobs the guy has: forecheck and get to the front of the net.

He did neither this series.

Along with Matt Carle, who casually gave the blue line to the Bruins and refused to use his body in his own zone. That's great that he's a puck-moving-defenseman, but at some point the puck is going to wind up in your own zone, and you have to do everything you can to get it out.

Out:
Carle
Hartnell
O'Donnell
Boucher
Leighton

Richards stays as Captain because stripping him of it would be retarded (the real definition, not in the derogatory sense).

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Bolded is pretty bad because it's essentially one of the two jobs the guy has: forecheck and get to the front of the net.

He did neither this series.

Along with Matt Carle, who casually gave the blue line to the Bruins and refused to use his body in his own zone. That's great that he's a puck-moving-defenseman, but at some point the puck is going to wind up in your own zone, and you have to do everything you can to get it out.

Out:
Carle
Hartnell
O'Donnell
Boucher
Leighton

Richards stays as Captain because stripping him of it would be retarded (the real definition, not in the derogatory sense).
That's the thing. It isn't just Hartnell's job.

If we aren't getting goals from Richards and Giroux, we aren't advancing.

Going to the net needs to be a collective effort.

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05-07-2011, 05:43 PM
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Richards has been hurt for a while, his arm for sure. When, in a few days they annouce his surgery some of you fools will shut up. We got beat by a better team. We didnt win a period of hockey against the bruins, move on

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05-07-2011, 05:47 PM
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Richards has been hurt for a while, his arm for sure. When, in a few days they annouce his surgery some of you fools will shut up. We got beat by a better team. We didnt win a period of hockey against the bruins, move on
Um, that's why we want to improve our team....

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I'm certainly not advocating giving the C to Briere, but scoring "pretty goals" couldn't be further from the truth.

The majority of his goals are scored within 6 feet of the net. He's the smaller guy on the team, but has no fear.

It's not a coincidence that only JVR and Briere put pucks in the net during the playoffs. They were the only two forwards they were consistently around the net.

If you want to score goals in this league, there is no secret. Go to the net. Find the rebounds, win battles.

Richards, Giroux, Hartnell, Versteeg, Leino et. al. need to take some lessons.
They are pretty goals. His goals are the result of soft hands. His goals against are due to the fact that he won't work both ends of the rink.

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Richards has been hurt for a while, his arm for sure. When, in a few days they annouce his surgery some of you fools will shut up. We got beat by a better team. We didnt win a period of hockey against the bruins, move on
I need the FACTS here

too many rumors about the Flyers captain

live up to your username and prove it isn't recreational pharmaceuticals, alcohol or hanging out with Charlie Sheen

You're right about Boston.....they owned the Flyers

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Seriously, who the **** addresses players by their numbers? Why do they think that's anything but a ****ing stupid way to name a player? In fact, it's arguable that's why we have names -- so we don't get called by a number. ****.

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Richards didnt have that bad of a year. Last year he was the leading scorer with 31G 31A. This year he had 4 more points with 23G 43A behind Giroux, Briere, and Carter. Honestly i think Richards was gassed coming down the stretch. When they started losing a lot at the end of the season is when an injury or he was just gassed started to happen. I saw it a lot in the offensive zone when the other team would break out of the zone, he would like stand there and watch and then start to skate gingerly with his head down like he was distgusted or was just tired. I dont think he had that bad of a season.

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It's kinda obvious Richards is very, very banged up.
Let's face it, last season he played in all 82 regular season games, 23 playoff games and 7 games in the Olympics (plus 2-3 pre-season games I guess). That's 112 competetive games.
His season ended in mid-June. Next season's camp starts mid-September. That's three months of which he had to do offseason practice, too. Then he proceeds to play 81 games this season, plus 11 playoff games.
Can't blame the guy for running out of gas.

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Richards has been hurt for a while, his arm for sure. When, in a few days they annouce his surgery some of you fools will shut up. We got beat by a better team. We didnt win a period of hockey against the bruins, move on
Everyone is speculating that he's been hurt but nobody knows it for sure. The Philly writers have said they asked him and he always said he was fine. We know it's the playoffs and he's not going to 'fess up but we have no proof at this point that he's injured or sick.

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That's the thing. It isn't just Hartnell's job.

If we aren't getting goals from Richards and Giroux, we aren't advancing.

Going to the net needs to be a collective effort.
If you're going to turn my statement around and say that it's everyone's fault that no one is going to the net, how can you make the statement that there's only two guys that really needed to step up and score goals?

Also, Hartnell didn't have any points against the Bruins and ended up -5.

Basically, the H-B-L line couldn't do anything with the puck. They combined for a total of 3 points and had a collective -13 against the Bruins.

The Bruins stepped up at their blue line and the Flyers regularly conceded theirs. The Bruins got back and took passing lanes away in the neutral zone and defensive zone and the Flyers didn't. The Bruins won puck races and battles and finished checks, and the Flyers rarely did either.

One team showed playoff effort and played as if their season was on the line, and one team didn't. It was easy to see the distinction in nearly every game.

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