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05-08-2011, 09:09 PM
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Depth needs to step up

Let me preface this by saying I fully agree the Sedins are underperforming and also need to play at a higher level.

That being said, all season long we were considered by most to be one of the deepest teams in the league, if not the deepest. The addition of Higgins and Lapierre further solidified our depth. In terms of offensive support, I've seen very little input from our depth players this playoffs. Think about the past cup winners and the scoring support they received from their depth players. Very rarely does a team win solely on backs of their top two lines, no matter how well they play. Setoguchi and Pavelski are coming up huge for the Sharks. Heatly and Marleau are averaging 0.5 p/g - the same as Kyle Wellwood. Clowe and Couture are San Jose's leading scorers.

San Jose looks so strong because their depth players are producing, despite their top lines not playing particularly well. The Canucks only have Kesler. Hansen is the only other forward I'm happy with but he can't provide any more than he can. Even if the Sedins show up we're not going to have a fun time if we play the Sharks and our depth players continue to falter offensively.

The Canucks success will not depend on one or two players - it didn't during the regular season and this is especially true in the playoffs, as history has shown.

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05-08-2011, 09:51 PM
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While I do agree it would be nice to see the depth step up, the Canucks' success this year wasn't really built on that. While the Sharks' offense was built on depth (7 20+ goal scorers), the Canucks were built on an elite top 3 forwards, a deadly PP, and a mobile defense that can chip in. Yeah it'd be nice if some guys would step up, but guys like Hansen (9 goals), Higgins (13 goals), Lapierre (6 goals), and Torres (14 goals) can't really be counted on for anything but sporadic offense, something in the range of a goal every 7-10 games, if that. For the most part they've provided that.

Raymond and Samuelsson have been disappointing, and the Sedins' difficulties have been addressed ad nauseum elsewhere, but other than that the Canucks' forward production is about what can be expected.

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05-08-2011, 10:03 PM
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Just let the defense play well and the rest will come. The defense was BRUTAL last game. Ehrhoff-Edler being at the forefront, even Hammer and Juice were pretty shaky at times. And FFS, get Rome in the pressbox, if only we had another top 6 defenseman who can play a solid game and contribute solid offensive game, physicality and is determined to make good....Too bad we don't.

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05-08-2011, 10:06 PM
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hey man, Rome is good. Thats why he was on the ice in the final minutes down a goal. Did you see him flip the puck into the preds zone like a boss

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hey man, Rome is good. Thats why he was on the ice in the final minutes down a goal. Did you see him flip the puck into the preds zone like a boss
Dump and chase. Too bad the chase part is hard because the Preds player is always 5 feet away from the puck before one of the forwards are even halfway there. They've completely cut that play out.

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05-08-2011, 10:48 PM
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Andrew Alberts needs to step into the lineup so he can protect the front of the net.

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So many teams that have made runs in the past have gotten incredible streaks from depth players - here's a few off the top of my head -
Buff last year, Franzen for Detroit, Talbot scored some massive goals for Pittsburgh, Leino for Philly last year, Pisani for the Oilers, Gelinas for the Flames that year..the list goes on and on.

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So many teams that have made runs in the past have gotten incredible streaks from depth players - here's a few off the top of my head -
Buff last year, Franzen for Detroit, Talbot scored some massive goals for Pittsburgh, Leino for Philly last year, Pisani for the Oilers, Gelinas for the Flames that year..the list goes on and on.
Agreed, we need that unsung scoring hero to step up!

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Agreed, we need that unsung scoring hero to step up!
It'd be nice if that person also happened to be under contract for next year too. (although that would eliminate Higgins, Hansen, Lapierre, and Torres (and Glass(as if)))

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05-09-2011, 12:26 AM
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Well, obviously with Malhotra out it's a handicapped unit.

That said, the third line has been generating offense and they're due. On the 4th line Glass has been particularly useless, and I'd really like to see what a line of Oreskovich, Hodgson and Tambellini could do. Good speed, can get in on the forecheck, and enough talent to be dangerous.

I'm not holding my breath though. AV is a ****ing moron.

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05-09-2011, 12:40 AM
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There is an entire thread devoted to the performance of Daniel and Henrik Sedin. Keep discussions along those lines confined to that thread.

Thank you.

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the way Lapierre has played, he should have scored a goal by now. it's hard to be upset with his play because he's done everything but score. All the same, him finishing even just 1-2 of the chances he's had in this series and we could be in the next round.

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05-09-2011, 01:29 AM
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Raymond as a second liner needs to step up. Not so much effort wise but certainly hockey smarts wise and using his speed to take it to the NSH D and create chances and draw penalties. His perimter plays are dissappointing.

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05-09-2011, 01:36 AM
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Canucks' scoring depth = the defence. When Ehrhoff and Edler are clicking (along with a bit more from the others), the team works much better.

There were only really a few spurts where Malhotra's line was scoring (early in the season, and just before he got hurt), but aside from that, there wasn't too much happening offensively for the bottom 6 forwards.

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05-09-2011, 01:43 AM
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Well, obviously with Malhotra out it's a handicapped unit.

That said, the third line has been generating offense and they're due. On the 4th line Glass has been particularly useless, and I'd really like to see what a line of Oreskovich, Hodgson and Tambellini could do. Good speed, can get in on the forecheck, and enough talent to be dangerous.

I'm not holding my breath though. AV is a ****ing moron.
Yep, first in the league and 1 win away from WCF and the coach is a moron...

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05-09-2011, 01:50 AM
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Canucks' scoring depth = the defence. When Ehrhoff and Edler are clicking (along with a bit more from the others), the team works much better.

There were only really a few spurts where Malhotra's line was scoring (early in the season, and just before he got hurt), but aside from that, there wasn't too much happening offensively for the bottom 6 forwards.

In the same breath you could say that Malhotra's line did what it was supposed to as a third line, production wise.


I look at the Canucks' depth a bit differently. I do not think the team has enough skilled forward depth beyond the big 3. It's primarily due to the new direction both GM and coach wanted to take = Grittier, tougher bottom 6.


You are now seeing the result of that: The bottom 6 is active in hitting and defensive structure, but lacks the skill to be a threat offensively. But what really compounds the issue is the play of Raymond and Samuelsson. Neither have performed up to a top 6 level in the playoffs. So, it looks like there is even less scoring to bank on than originally thought. Where once there was a strong top 6, now it seems to be a top 4. Or in light of the Sedins' struggles, a top 2 (kes and burr), + Higgins.


In the offseason, I hope the team seriously takes a look at incorporating skill on the cheap. You can't localize the offense to the twins. They were the reason this team was so good offensively in the regular season, but that went the other way in the playoffs.

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our depth is fine.

Our defense is a problem now. Don't know what got into Edler. Ehrhoff is having good and bad moments.

Hamhuis and Bieksa have been solid ignoring Bieksa's gaffe on the Ward goal last game.

Rome sucks and shouldn't be playing.

Salo is slow slow slow.



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Yep, first in the league and 1 win away from WCF and the coach is a moron...

He's got clear limitations, that's for damn sure.

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He's got clear limitations, that's for damn sure.
Yeah, players not playing up to their capability...

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05-09-2011, 02:28 AM
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Yeah, players not playing up to their capability...
we are winning in spite of him not because of him.

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Yeah, players not playing up to their capability...

Of course, damn that Ballard, he should be doing more out on the ice! He's invisible out there. Rome is Orr 2.0! Bigger, faster, stronger, and complete with more chips off the glass. lol

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