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05-09-2011, 01:33 PM
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Wilson + Franson's Future with the Predators

Hey guys,

Was just curious about some honest opinions of both Wilson and Franson. With Blum, Josi, and Ellis, I know you guys have some incredible d prospects, so where does that leave Franson moving forward?

I know that Wilson was pegged a while back to be a big part of the franchise moving forward, but he hasnt seen much time in the playoffs depsite a decent (from an outsiders view anyway) rookie performance.

Any information would be great guys

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Wilson is going through what Suter went through his first year. No worries, he's a big part of Nashville's future.

Franson is interesting. During the end of the season, I would have said good bet he'd be moved, however, he's playing more physical in the playoffs.

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yeah, give me this franson over 82 games, and i wouldn't dog him anymore. I also wouldn't mind seeing ellis in the A for a season and josi a season to prove he isn't made of glass. it is also prudent to keep franson just in case someting goes south with weber

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Get rid of Franson. He has the instincts of a musk ox out there. He doesn't know how to read a play. I could do without him personally but I see the valid points about keeping him for now. Give him one more season and if he continues down the path he's shown most of his career, cut him loose. I'm not really sure he's been more physical in the playoffs either. That part of his game comes and goes.

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Get rid of Franson. He has the instincts of a musk ox out there. He doesn't know how to read a play. I could do without him personally but I see the valid points about keeping him for now. Give him one more season and if he continues down the path he's shown most of his career, cut him loose. I'm not really sure he's been more physical in the playoffs either. That part of his game comes and goes.
Just curious, what are his strengths and weaknesses? What areas of his game are likely to improve vs those that likely will not?

If anyone could, the same for wilson would be nice.

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Personally, I think Franson is definitely expendable. As early as next year (more likely 2 years), our D parings will be Weber-Suter, Blum-Josi, and Ellis-Klein. Franson is truly trade bait. He is a very good player, but there just isn't room for him here. I hope we can get some scoring help out of him...

I had/have high hopes for Wilson. Unfortunately, I'm fairly sure he ran over Trotz's dog or something, so Mr. No-Neck hates him. If Trotz is not going to allow Wilson to play a scoring line role and reach his potential, I would rather trade him for a "Barry type guy" a la Mike Fisher. I still think Wilson has the ability to be the best forward on this team, but he may not be given the chance here.

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Just curious, what are his strengths and weaknesses? What areas of his game are likely to improve vs those that likely will not?

If anyone could, the same for wilson would be nice.
CODY FRANSON

Strengths- His shot has eyes. I have never seen someone who has an easier time getting a puck through 12358351537815 sets of skates and on net. It's not as hard as Weber's, but much more accurate. He's a smart passer, and has pretty good defensive position (but don't tell people on here that).

Weaknesses- I've seen turtles with more speed. He is really really slow. And he doesn't use one bit of his big frame, though he's been a tad better in the playoffs. He most likely will not get more physical, but he might gain some speed. Depends on how hard he works.

All in all, strong once he gets in the O zone, it's getting there that's the problem. Speed and physicality are his big issues. I think he's positioning is under-rated, but I'm also a huge fan of his, so I am a little biased.

COLIN WILSON

Strengths- The dude has talent. He makes plays sometimes that no other forward on our team could possibly make. He can play physically or use finesse. Has the potential to be an offensive juggernaut.

Weaknesses- Work Ethic, Drive, and Defensive play, all of which mean death in a Barry Trotz system. He is often lazy on the back-check and seems much more interested when he has the puck. He is not great at really any part of the defensive game, which is why Trotz moved him from Center to Winger.

Overall, it breaks down to this. If Wilson had the work ethic of Patric Hornqvist, he would be an absolute stud. he has incredibly high potential, but may never reach it. I'm not giving up on him, but he needs to get his head on straight.


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one thing about franson. he is still a pup. he could turn into a very very good dman. his offensive game isn't something that can be taught. you can work on his skating and improve that. I would take a sure thing over something unproven any day. My fear would be him pricing himself out of here.

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And on that note, you can't teach someone to be 6'5" and 215lbs, but you can teach someone that big how to use their body. Franson has only played two seasons in the NHL, he still has lots of room and time for improvement. Ellis won't be seeing much time with the Preds without spending at least the majority of next season with the Ads, let's see if Franson can make any strides in his skating and physicality and rightfully earn a spot on the D. I like the kid, I'm pulling for him.

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If y'all don't want to keep Franson, we'll happily take him up here. We could use a guy who can apparently bend space and time as needed to put the puck on net.

Also, keep in mind that he's producing at an NHL level right now. Josi and Ellis, for all their promise, have yet to do that.

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Franson stepped up his game considerably in the POs. Wilson seemed to learn from his benching he's gotta' put in the effort ALL the time.

Wilson still is our future 1st line power forward. I refuse to believe he's headed down the Hartnell path with Trotz; and I don't think our Captain is gonna' let that happen, either. Boy has to be driven by pride - you can't be an elite athlete without some. He watched Hals earn increased time and score a game winner - he knows that was HIS SPOT Hals was skating in.

Franson may have made this a bit more interesting. With Blum coming up and playing well, with Josi and Ellis on the way - had to think Franson's days were numbered, even if it wasn't his fault and truly just the result of an embarrassment of wealth of D in our system. However....... he was a mostly adequate 3rd pair guy this year. In the POs he stepped up and didn't hurt us there. So, no reason to think we couldn't make do with him as a 3rd pair guy and PP specialist for several years. He's got size none of those guys have - can't teach size. JP, Horny, Hartnell - lotta' guys have made themselves better skaters - no reason Franson can't.

Personally, if Josi or Ellis can play up next year, I'd like to see us move Franson for a skilled forward. But, if Franson makes a few more strides next year and Blum can bring us a better return, that just might be OK.

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Franson and Wilson are only in their first year basically. If you don't give them a chance then forget about drafting. You have to give players time to develop. I would get rid of Klein we need another big type defenseman to help out Weber and Suter none of our prospects are big. Wilson will be alright it's gonna take some time

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franson and wilson will both be with the predators for a while.

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franson and wilson will both be with the predators for a while.
Wilson has a much better chance of that then Franson does. There are players in the pipeline that have a much better upside then Franson does. He has one more year then I would bet he's on his way. He would have to make HUGE gains in ability next year to keep that from happening.

Next year is the year for Wilson. Hopefully having his butt sit for the playoffs made something connect in his head. He has the hands, the shot and the vision he just needs to bring it every shift. He could be a top line forward if he wants to, we just need to see if he wants to.

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It's all about the return with Franson.

If he can help land a true scoringline player, I'm in for it. If all we get is a 2nd rd pick, seems dumb to me.

Poile rarely trades away significant roster players or prospects. They either sink or swim. For that reason (and others), I expect Wilson to remain a Predator. He's one of the only scoringline hopefuls we have.

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Wilson has a much better chance of that then Franson does. There are players in the pipeline that have a much better upside then Franson does. He has one more year then I would bet he's on his way. He would have to make HUGE gains in ability next year to keep that from happening.

Next year is the year for Wilson. Hopefully having his butt sit for the playoffs made something connect in his head. He has the hands, the shot and the vision he just needs to bring it every shift. He could be a top line forward if he wants to, we just need to see if he wants to.
I think the same could be said about our upcoming prospects too. Im not claiming Franson will be here as long as Wilson but Franson has shown he can translate his game to the NHL, and well. If Josi comes in and lights the world on fire and we have the option of bringing in a top 6 forward in exchange for Franson, than i would be all for trading Cody. Time will tell.

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one thing about franson. he is still a pup. he could turn into a very very good dman. his offensive game isn't something that can be taught. you can work on his skating and improve that. I would take a sure thing over something unproven any day. My fear would be him pricing himself out of here.
You can improve skating but you can't teach instincts. Blum has instincts and it shows. Franson still has trouble reading plays and with study might be able to improve some but there is only so much growth potential there. I don't see how his offensive outweighs his defensive liabilities and lack of physical play. For a guy that size, he needs to play that way. If not, I'd rather have Josi who lacks the size but has the skating ability and instincts to play at this level. Same thing with Ellis. Do you take a guy with size who may still develop or do you take someone who has a gift but doesn't have the size? Size can't be taught but gifts can't be taught either. Rafalski isn't the biggest guy out there but he gets the job done very well.

I'll give Franson one more season here before I decide completely on him but Blum surpassed him on the depth chart rather easily. I don't think Ellis and Josi are going to have a problem doing that either. That's just me though.

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CODY FRANSON

Strengths- His shot has eyes. I have never seen someone who has an easier time getting a puck through 12358351537815 sets of skates and on net. It's not as hard as Weber's, but much more accurate. He's a smart passer, and has pretty good defensive position (but don't tell people on here that).

Weaknesses- I've seen turtles with more speed. He is really really slow. And he doesn't use one bit of his big frame, though he's been a tad better in the playoffs. He most likely will not get more physical, but he might gain some speed. Depends on how hard he works.

All in all, strong once he gets in the O zone, it's getting there that's the problem. Speed and physicality are his big issues. I think he's positioning is under-rated, but I'm also a huge fan of his, so I am a little biased.

COLIN WILSON

Strengths- The dude has talent. He makes plays sometimes that no other forward on our team could possibly make. He can play physically or use finesse. Has the potential to be an offensive juggernaut.

Weaknesses- Work Ethic, Drive, and Defensive play, all of which mean death in a Barry Trotz system. He is often lazy on the back-check and seems much more interested when he has the puck. He is not great at really any part of the defensive game, which is why Trotz moved him from Center to Winger.

Overall, it breaks down to this. If Wilson had the work ethic of Patric Hornqvist, he would be an absolute stud. he has incredibly high potential, but may never reach it. I'm not giving up on him, but he needs to get his head on straight.
Well said. Agree 100% on all this.

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We could trade Franson to improve their PP (since a very expensive Kaberle isn't working out).

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We could trade Franson to improve their PP (since a very expensive Kaberle isn't working out).
Can you trade him in time for tomorrow nights game?

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I think the Wilson work ethic thing is kind of stupid. This high ceiling just isn't there, it wasn't at BU just because he has size and hands doesn't mean he can be like Joe Thornton and lead the NHL in assists if he busted his hump more.

The guy needs talented linemates, period. And hes a #2 center who can elevate his play at times to look like a #1 but he won't do it all season long and can't. Sad to see the self fulfilling prophecy's are underway with him. I think hes a nice 2/3 center who can step in for the #1 guy whenever and will give you 50 points a year with respectable 2 way play.


This year the Preds did not lose too much playing Smithson over him in the playoffs but next season you need to create a good line for Wilson and stick with him. The Preds are very close to outgrowing Trotz and Poile needs to be ready to can Barry. I am sorry but Trotz gets more credit than he deserves.

Before the blueline became all world in Nashville and the best in the NHL guys like Kariya and Forsberg were on the team (Barry couldn't get out of the first round with them like we all know), and while it was not one of the games elite teams Trotz trapped it up and took no risks to keep them respectable. Then his GM gives Barry the best blueline in hockey. Its not like the team is going to regress now with that D and Weber and Suter turning into top 5 NHL D men is it?

But it also means there is no chance the team can spread its wings and be a dominant force in the league like it is capable of if a Wilson-Radulov 3rd line went down. Get a line like this going and have two more with the likes of SK, Legwand, Fisher, Goc, Erat on them and the team will be amazing:

Radulov-Wilson-Hornquivst.

If thats the Preds third line next year the league better watch out. But look around the west Vancouver will be good of course, LA is stacked with prospects and DD, Chicago have won a Cup recently, Anaheim have two amazing lines and a solid D, the Sharks aren't playoff chokers anymore. I think its pretty important that Barry is not allowed to hold the team back with vendetta's against guys who are offensive players.


Do the Penguins win the Cup in 09 if Bylsma acts like Trotz would and benches Malkin in the playoffs for taking shifts off?

The messed up thing is no matter how much bad crap Trotz does to hurt the team and hold it back Ellis is a freaking stud and is going to step in and help out big time so it will camouflage the mediocre coaching.

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The Preds are very close to outgrowing Trotz and Poile needs to be ready to can Barry. I am sorry but Trotz gets more credit than he deserves.

(Barry couldn't get out of the first round with them like we all know), and while it was not one of the games elite teams Trotz trapped it up and took no risks to keep them respectable.

I think its pretty important that Barry is not allowed to hold the team back with vendetta's against guys who are offensive players.

Do the Penguins win the Cup in 09 if Bylsma acts like Trotz would and benches Malkin in the playoffs for taking shifts off?

The messed up thing is no matter how much bad crap Trotz does to hurt the team and hold it back Ellis is a freaking stud and is going to step in and help out big time so it will camouflage the mediocre coaching.
But what do you think of Trotz as a coach?

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I think the Wilson work ethic thing is kind of stupid. This high ceiling just isn't there, it wasn't at BU just because he has size and hands doesn't mean he can be like Joe Thornton and lead the NHL in assists if he busted his hump more.

The guy needs talented linemates, period. And hes a #2 center who can elevate his play at times to look like a #1 but he won't do it all season long and can't. Sad to see the self fulfilling prophecy's are underway with him. I think hes a nice 2/3 center who can step in for the #1 guy whenever and will give you 50 points a year with respectable 2 way play.


This year the Preds did not lose too much playing Smithson over him in the playoffs but next season you need to create a good line for Wilson and stick with him. The Preds are very close to outgrowing Trotz and Poile needs to be ready to can Barry. I am sorry but Trotz gets more credit than he deserves.

Before the blueline became all world in Nashville and the best in the NHL guys like Kariya and Forsberg were on the team (Barry couldn't get out of the first round with them like we all know), and while it was not one of the games elite teams Trotz trapped it up and took no risks to keep them respectable. Then his GM gives Barry the best blueline in hockey. Its not like the team is going to regress now with that D and Weber and Suter turning into top 5 NHL D men is it?

But it also means there is no chance the team can spread its wings and be a dominant force in the league like it is capable of if a Wilson-Radulov 3rd line went down. Get a line like this going and have two more with the likes of SK, Legwand, Fisher, Goc, Erat on them and the team will be amazing:

Radulov-Wilson-Hornquivst.

If thats the Preds third line next year the league better watch out. But look around the west Vancouver will be good of course, LA is stacked with prospects and DD, Chicago have won a Cup recently, Anaheim have two amazing lines and a solid D, the Sharks aren't playoff chokers anymore. I think its pretty important that Barry is not allowed to hold the team back with vendetta's against guys who are offensive players.


Do the Penguins win the Cup in 09 if Bylsma acts like Trotz would and benches Malkin in the playoffs for taking shifts off?

The messed up thing is no matter how much bad crap Trotz does to hurt the team and hold it back Ellis is a freaking stud and is going to step in and help out big time so it will camouflage the mediocre coaching.
Wilson doesn't play center anymore. Aside from a couple random fill-ins, last time he played center in the NHL was October 2009.

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I'm not touching the Trotz crap, but I think I'd rather have SK on a line with Radulov.

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I think the Wilson work ethic thing is kind of stupid. This high ceiling just isn't there, it wasn't at BU just because he has size and hands doesn't mean he can be like Joe Thornton and lead the NHL in assists if he busted his hump more.

The guy needs talented linemates, period. And hes a #2 center who can elevate his play at times to look like a #1 but he won't do it all season long and can't. Sad to see the self fulfilling prophecy's are underway with him. I think hes a nice 2/3 center who can step in for the #1 guy whenever and will give you 50 points a year with respectable 2 way play.


This year the Preds did not lose too much playing Smithson over him in the playoffs but next season you need to create a good line for Wilson and stick with him. The Preds are very close to outgrowing Trotz and Poile needs to be ready to can Barry. I am sorry but Trotz gets more credit than he deserves.

Before the blueline became all world in Nashville and the best in the NHL guys like Kariya and Forsberg were on the team (Barry couldn't get out of the first round with them like we all know), and while it was not one of the games elite teams Trotz trapped it up and took no risks to keep them respectable. Then his GM gives Barry the best blueline in hockey. Its not like the team is going to regress now with that D and Weber and Suter turning into top 5 NHL D men is it?

But it also means there is no chance the team can spread its wings and be a dominant force in the league like it is capable of if a Wilson-Radulov 3rd line went down. Get a line like this going and have two more with the likes of SK, Legwand, Fisher, Goc, Erat on them and the team will be amazing:

Radulov-Wilson-Hornquivst.

If thats the Preds third line next year the league better watch out. But look around the west Vancouver will be good of course, LA is stacked with prospects and DD, Chicago have won a Cup recently, Anaheim have two amazing lines and a solid D, the Sharks aren't playoff chokers anymore. I think its pretty important that Barry is not allowed to hold the team back with vendetta's against guys who are offensive players.


Do the Penguins win the Cup in 09 if Bylsma acts like Trotz would and benches Malkin in the playoffs for taking shifts off?

The messed up thing is no matter how much bad crap Trotz does to hurt the team and hold it back Ellis is a freaking stud and is going to step in and help out big time so it will camouflage the mediocre coaching.
Funny that you go on about Wilson not having a high ceiling, then compare benching him to benching Malkin.

Preds don't make it to playoffs without Trotz. He's one of the few that could have taken this team to the post-season.

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