HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Metropolitan Division > New York Rangers
Notices

Rangers trade Ethan Werek to Phoenix for Oscar Lindberg

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
05-09-2011, 02:21 PM
  #151
Bird Law
Daisy's back.
 
Bird Law's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Country Roads
Country: United States
Posts: 72,403
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to Bird Law
Quote:
Originally Posted by wolfgaze View Post
SNYRangerBlog website has a bit more info via a twitter comment from Jess Rubenstein at Prospect Park.
Jess is just passing on info he read online. Not like he's really a reliable source for anything.

__________________
"Of course giving Sather cap space is like giving teenagers whiskey and car keys." - SBOB
"Watching Sather build a team is like watching a blind man with no fingers trying to put together an elaborate puzzle." - Shadowtron
"Used to be only Twinkies and cockroaches could survive a nuke. I'd add Habs to that. I'm convinced the CH stands for Club du Hypocrisy." - Gee Wally
Bird Law is offline  
Old
05-09-2011, 02:24 PM
  #152
Clowes Line
Cally's Chicken Parm
 
Clowes Line's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: New Yawk
Country: United States
Posts: 12,544
vCash: 500
Does anyone know if Lindberg is playing in the World Championships? I'm watching Sweden Vs Canada right now and it would be cool if I see Lindberg in the game. I'd like to watch him play. Does anyone know if he's playing?

Clowes Line is offline  
Old
05-09-2011, 02:29 PM
  #153
NYR Sting
Heart and Soul
 
NYR Sting's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Country: United States
Posts: 9,506
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by RangerEsq View Post
Dale Weise is a better physical, bottom-6 prospect than Ethan Werek. The guy put up almost a point per game in the AHL, he's big and physical, and close to making the NHL after making significant progress in his game every season.

But it's much harder for Weise to look good in his first stint in the NHL than for Werek in the minds of people who are fantacizing about a power forward.

That bottom-6 power forward you want will be a tough, hard working guy scoring point per game in the pros while constantly improving.
With statements like this, and that Richards thread you started recently, are you on a mission to prove that you have no idea what you're talking about? I'm struggling to recall a poorer comparison of players around here. Werek is superior to Weise in nearly every way. Weise is a scrub who MIGHT have a future in the NHL. The outlook is a lot better for Werek.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ola View Post
Admittedly I've not seen much of Werek, but whenever I've seen him he have given me very bad wibes.

I mean, you just do not make it these days unless you can skare -- and Werek is not a good skater. He is gifted, he have good size -- but so many guys like that goes to the AHL and struggles to score even 30 pts. I do not mind drafting players like Werek after the 1st round, because before you know it you get them to train right, fix some "flaws" and they skate like Dubinsky and you have a steal on your hands. But Werek just weren't able to improve his strides, was injured a lot et c. Not to mention that he just isn't that talented either. Like he is miles behind someone like Thomas and co.
You don't draft Werek because you expect him to be as talented as Thomas. You draft him because he's a ***** to play against, because he doesn't give up on plays, because he's reliable at both ends of the ice, and because he's smarter than most of his peers. I'm not going to let one season of struggles and injuries wipe away everything he did in the past. He exemplified leadership and smart, two-way play with a physical edge.

Yes, skating is very important in this league. More important than ever. But as we saw with Brian Boyle, skating is not impossible to fix. It's a lot harder to fix brains, but luckily, Werek already has that.

Quote:
You got the impression early he wasn't going to pan out, and I've basically not seen any positive signs from him since being drafted. It sounds like we got out just in right time.
I can't imagine what you possibly saw that would have given you that impression, since he had a fantastic and stellar season the year we drafted him. But you said it yourself, you've not seen much of him.

NYR Sting is offline  
Old
05-09-2011, 02:39 PM
  #154
Orr Nightmare
Registered User
 
Orr Nightmare's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 1,605
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sting36e View Post
With statements like this, and that Richards thread you started recently, are you on a mission to prove that you have no idea what you're talking about? I'm struggling to recall a poorer comparison of players around here. Werek is superior to Weise in nearly every way. Weise is a scrub who MIGHT have a future in the NHL. The outlook is a lot better for Werek.



You don't draft Werek because you expect him to be as talented as Thomas. You draft him because he's a ***** to play against, because he doesn't give up on plays, because he's reliable at both ends of the ice, and because he's smarter than most of his peers. I'm not going to let one season of struggles and injuries wipe away everything he did in the past. He exemplified leadership and smart, two-way play with a physical edge.

Yes, skating is very important in this league. More important than ever. But as we saw with Brian Boyle, skating is not impossible to fix. It's a lot harder to fix brains, but luckily, Werek already has that.



I can't imagine what you possibly saw that would have given you that impression, since he had a fantastic and stellar season the year we drafted him. But you said it yourself, you've not seen much of him.
I agree with you Sting, I liked Werek a lot and the nonsense of him not progressing is just dumb. Kid was hurt and when he came back and played, played well and showed tremendous heart...he took a couple of dumb penalties that led to his suspension, it was because he cares so much and hates losing.

I think Maloney wasn't very good for us but he has been very good at hosing Sather.

Orr Nightmare is offline  
Old
05-09-2011, 02:46 PM
  #155
BlueshirtBlitz
Rich Nash
 
BlueshirtBlitz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: New York
Posts: 18,688
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Orr Nightmare View Post
I agree with you Sting, I liked Werek a lot and the nonsense of him not progressing is just dumb. Kid was hurt and when he came back and played, played well and showed tremendous heart...he took a couple of dumb penalties that led to his suspension, it was because he cares so much and hates losing.

I think Maloney wasn't very good for us but he has been very good at hosing Sather.
Yeah, because getting back a kid winning 70 percent of his faceoffs in an adult league is a hose.

Please. Great for Werek, he has heart and grit. Our entire team does. I for one would rather have a person who can win faceoffs and not be paid 7 million dollars, WHILE projecting to be much like Werek in everything except grit.

BlueshirtBlitz is offline  
Old
05-09-2011, 02:48 PM
  #156
Callahan Auto
Rational Police
 
Callahan Auto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Country: United States
Posts: 1,583
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Orr Nightmare View Post
I think Maloney wasn't very good for us but he has been very good at hosing Sather.

To be fair, none of the deals between our two clubs have been that significant.

Callahan Auto is offline  
Old
05-09-2011, 02:49 PM
  #157
BlueshirtBlitz
Rich Nash
 
BlueshirtBlitz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: New York
Posts: 18,688
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gift of Gaborik View Post
To be fair, none of the deals between our two clubs have been that significant.
You forgot? Rozsival for Wolski was CATASTROPHIC, and trading Korpikoski is going to set us back years.

Or at least the people who think the trading between these two teams has been significant like to act like that.

BlueshirtBlitz is offline  
Old
05-09-2011, 02:52 PM
  #158
SupersonicMonkey*
DROP THE PUCK
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: USA
Country: United States
Posts: 15,193
vCash: 500
I felt Werek progressed nicely. He was steady and consistent in what you going to get from him as a player.

Never expected him to be a top six guy. Buts 3rd-4th line two way center with 20g-20a-40p upside. While being solid on faceoffs and bringing a gritty responsible game.

Its unfortunate that he didn't fit for what ever reason it was.

This Swedish kid looks good. Similar kind of player. Looks to be very good on faceoffs. Gritty. Two way guy with some decent size.

Now, does he get signed? I would assume so, correct?

19 years old, so its a wash in age, and basically the same upside.

Overall, not a bad trade. Lineage there with Jan Erixon. Looks like a similar kind of player too.

Hope we see him in Connecticut in the fall.

SupersonicMonkey* is offline  
Old
05-09-2011, 02:52 PM
  #159
broadwayblue
Registered User
 
broadwayblue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: NYC
Country: United States
Posts: 15,635
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueshirtBlitz View Post
You forgot? Rozsival for Wolski was CATASTROPHIC, and trading Korpikoski is going to set us back years.

Or at least the people who think the trading between these two teams has been significant like to act like that.
Catastrophic? Hardly. We moved an overpaid dman for an overpaid forward because we were hurting for offense...and we saved a little cap room in the process.

And trading Korpikowski isn't going to set us back months, let alone years. He wasn't going to get top 6 minutes on the team and we have no shortage of bottom 6 guys in these parts.

Really much ado about nothing.

ah, i see you were being sarcastic. lol

broadwayblue is offline  
Old
05-09-2011, 02:57 PM
  #160
Clowes Line
Cally's Chicken Parm
 
Clowes Line's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: New Yawk
Country: United States
Posts: 12,544
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by broadwayblue View Post
Catastrophic? Hardly. We moved an overpaid dman for an overpaid forward because we were hurting for offense...and we saved a little cap room in the process.

And trading Korpikowski isn't going to set us back months, let alone years. He wasn't going to get top 6 minutes on the team and we have no shortage of bottom 6 guys in these parts.

Really much ado about nothing.

ah, i see you were being sarcastic. lol
Dude, do you realize that the Rozsival for Wolski trade saved us a lot of cap. Wolski will most likely be bought out, turning his $3.5 cap hit to $466,000. So that turns Rozsivals cap hit into $466,000. That was a great trade that helped us out a ********

Clowes Line is offline  
Old
05-09-2011, 02:59 PM
  #161
broadwayblue
Registered User
 
broadwayblue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: NYC
Country: United States
Posts: 15,635
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by HagelinForPresident View Post
Dude, do you realize that the Rozsival for Wolski trade saved us a lot of cap. Wolski will most likely be bought out, turning his $3.5 cap hit to $466,000. So that turns Rozsivals cap hit into $466,000. That was a great trade that helped us out a ********
I was arguing that we didn't get taken. That said, on what authority do you have it that Wolski will be bought out???

broadwayblue is offline  
Old
05-09-2011, 03:00 PM
  #162
JeffMangum
Ra shi da
 
JeffMangum's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Listening to music
Country: United States
Posts: 55,644
vCash: 300
Quote:
Originally Posted by broadwayblue View Post
I was arguing that we didn't get taken. That said, on what authority do you have it that Wolski will be bought out???
Arthur Staple.

__________________

#TannerGlass2014
SEEN YOUR VIDEO!
#SheWentToHarvard
JeffMangum is offline  
Old
05-09-2011, 03:02 PM
  #163
Clowes Line
Cally's Chicken Parm
 
Clowes Line's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: New Yawk
Country: United States
Posts: 12,544
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by broadwayblue View Post
I was arguing that we didn't get taken. That said, on what authority do you have it that Wolski will be bought out???
That is why I said most likely, most people, including Gross and Zipay, etc... think he'll be bought out. He barely did anything for us except score goals in the shootout (I know shootout goals were big for us, but still).

I'm not saying 100% he will be bought out, but speculation is that he most likely will. Sather probably knew this when he traded for him, that is why Sather is a genius when it comes to trades.

Clowes Line is offline  
Old
05-09-2011, 03:03 PM
  #164
Orr Nightmare
Registered User
 
Orr Nightmare's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 1,605
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueshirtBlitz View Post
You forgot? Rozsival for Wolski was CATASTROPHIC, and trading Korpikoski is going to set us back years.

Or at least the people who think the trading between these two teams has been significant like to act like that.
Lauri had a very good year...a two way player...kinda like the guy we just traded for and what all the experts on this board are craving, maybe we should have held on to him instead of unloading him and getting garbage in return. Sather and Torts seem to let emotions get in the way of evaluating what they have.

We traded Montaya away and now are desperate for goaltending...

Orr Nightmare is offline  
Old
05-09-2011, 03:05 PM
  #165
broadwayblue
Registered User
 
broadwayblue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: NYC
Country: United States
Posts: 15,635
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steven Mastrosimone View Post
Arthur Staple.
So a Newsday writer says "Rangers Buying Out Wolski Almost Certain To Happen" and we believe him? I'll go ahead and say he's wrong. lol Personally, if we wanted to get rid of him why wouldn't we just trade him and a 6th round pick for a 7th rounder? Certainly that would make more sense than taking a 466k hit this year and a 666k hit the following, no?

broadwayblue is offline  
Old
05-09-2011, 03:06 PM
  #166
Clowes Line
Cally's Chicken Parm
 
Clowes Line's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: New Yawk
Country: United States
Posts: 12,544
vCash: 500
OT: Can someone tell me why my Signature Picture randomly isn't showing up on my posts anymore?

Edit: Never mind, I see it again

Clowes Line is offline  
Old
05-09-2011, 03:06 PM
  #167
JeffMangum
Ra shi da
 
JeffMangum's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Listening to music
Country: United States
Posts: 55,644
vCash: 300
Quote:
Originally Posted by broadwayblue View Post
So a Newsday writer says "Rangers Buying Out Wolski Almost Certain To Happen" and we believe him? I'll go ahead and say he's wrong. lol Personally, if we wanted to get rid of him why wouldn't we just trade him and a 6th round pick for a 7th rounder? Certainly that would make more sense than taking a 466k hit this year and a 666k hit the following, no?
I wasn't saying that I personally believe him, but he's a legitimate source to cite in an argument.

JeffMangum is offline  
Old
05-09-2011, 03:07 PM
  #168
JeffMangum
Ra shi da
 
JeffMangum's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Listening to music
Country: United States
Posts: 55,644
vCash: 300
Quote:
Originally Posted by HagelinForPresident View Post
OT: Can someone tell me why my Signature Picture randomly isn't showing up on my posts anymore?
It only shows up once per page.

JeffMangum is offline  
Old
05-09-2011, 03:07 PM
  #169
Clowes Line
Cally's Chicken Parm
 
Clowes Line's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: New Yawk
Country: United States
Posts: 12,544
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steven Mastrosimone View Post
It only shows up once per page.
Oh thanks man, I was like wtf, did i do something? just didn't know, thanks for the

Clowes Line is offline  
Old
05-09-2011, 03:09 PM
  #170
n8
WAAAAAAA!!!
 
n8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: san francisco
Country: United States
Posts: 7,399
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sting36e View Post
With statements like this, and that Richards thread you started recently, are you on a mission to prove that you have no idea what you're talking about? I'm struggling to recall a poorer comparison of players around here. Werek is superior to Weise in nearly every way. Weise is a scrub who MIGHT have a future in the NHL. The outlook is a lot better for Werek.
Weise is hardly a scrub. my sources tell me Weise is gonna be a top line winger on the Islanders next season. I would not say Werek's outlook is better, but rather Weise's outlook is a lot clearer.

n8 is offline  
Old
05-09-2011, 03:10 PM
  #171
BlueshirtBlitz
Rich Nash
 
BlueshirtBlitz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: New York
Posts: 18,688
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Orr Nightmare View Post
Lauri had a very good year...a two way player...kinda like the guy we just traded for and what all the experts on this board are craving, maybe we should have held on to him instead of unloading him and getting garbage in return. Sather and Torts seem to let emotions get in the way of evaluating what they have.

We traded Montaya away and now are desperate for goaltending...
Lauri did have a good year. Great for him. You know who else had a very good year? Brian Boyle. So did Derek Stepan and Artem Anisimov. Our 3 bottom 9 centers, which is what Lauri is, are good. I'm happy for Korpedo that he's doing well in Phoenix. i liked him. Guess what? Some times trades don't work out, and when it's a bottom 6 player and people act like it's the end of the world it's absolutely ludicrous, considering our strong bottom 6.

And i'm not even going to touch your second point.

BlueshirtBlitz is offline  
Old
05-09-2011, 03:14 PM
  #172
Clowes Line
Cally's Chicken Parm
 
Clowes Line's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: New Yawk
Country: United States
Posts: 12,544
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Orr Nightmare View Post
We traded Montaya away and now are desperate for goaltending...
Do you know this man who's name is Henrik Lundqvist? He is from Are, Sweden. You should google him.

Clowes Line is offline  
Old
05-09-2011, 03:18 PM
  #173
Orr Nightmare
Registered User
 
Orr Nightmare's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 1,605
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by HagelinForPresident View Post
Do you know this man who's name is Henrik Lundqvist? He is from Are, Sweden. You should google him.
wow, really, you guys are so insightful.

Tell me who our backup was at the end of the season...Google him and everyone else in our system and tell me if we don't need depth.

Orr Nightmare is offline  
Old
05-09-2011, 03:18 PM
  #174
wolfgaze
Interesting Cat
 
wolfgaze's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: NJ
Country: United States
Posts: 12,056
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Orr Nightmare View Post
Lauri had a very good year...a two way player...kinda like the guy we just traded for and what all the experts on this board are craving, maybe we should have held on to him instead of unloading him and getting garbage in return. Sather and Torts seem to let emotions get in the way of evaluating what they have.
Pretty sure someone on this board with knowledge of the player said Korpikoski wanted out.

wolfgaze is offline  
Old
05-09-2011, 03:20 PM
  #175
Leslie Treff
Hockey's Future Staff
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 1,212
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by wolfgaze View Post
SNYRangerBlog website has a bit more info via a twitter comment from Jess Rubenstein at Prospect Park.
This is not true. Werek was aware of his status with the Rangers.

Leslie Treff is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:28 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.