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05-09-2011, 10:00 PM
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Kaman is barely better than Hawes. And nothing will clear up cap wise till Brand expires anyway....which is a year before Iguodala. So I am not trading Iguodala for pure crap.

Gay...while I like him. He is nowhere the defender as Iguodala. And he isnt good enough to justify investing another 25 million. If you cant get Bynum or Bogut or lottery pick in 2012(not this year unless Kanter is guaranteed available) I am not really interested in trading Iguodala for the sake of trading Iguodala. Iguodala is young enough that the closer he gets to expiring the more valuable he will be. So unless we are getting legitimate value I am not interested in trading him.
Kaman is a legitimate NBA center. Kaman is better than Hawes at everything besides passing. Hawes is a good passer but that doesn't really matter to much to the Sixers. Kaman is a significantly better rebounder than Hawes and has a better down low presence on offence and defense.

I do agree with you if we could somehow snag Bogut or Bynum for Iggy+ I would be all for it. If we could somehow trade him for a lottery next year even if we take on a terrible contract I would be all for it. Next years draft will be stacked. I hope they don't deal Iggy before the draft if there is a chance in the draft to move up and snag Kanter they better do it.

Gay is very underrated on D. Over the last two seasons Iggy has averaged 1.6 steals per game .65 blocks per game and 6.1 rebounds. Gay over the last two years has averaged 1.6 steals .95 blocks per gam and 6 rebounds a game. Gay is a very good defender he gets beat more than Iggy does but he forces shooters into more bad shots due to his length.

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05-09-2011, 10:19 PM
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Kaman is a legitimate NBA center. Kaman is better than Hawes at everything besides passing. Hawes is a good passer but that doesn't really matter to much to the Sixers. Kaman is a significantly better rebounder than Hawes and has a better down low presence on offence and defense.

I do agree with you if we could somehow snag Bogut or Bynum for Iggy+ I would be all for it. If we could somehow trade him for a lottery next year even if we take on a terrible contract I would be all for it. Next years draft will be stacked. I hope they don't deal Iggy before the draft if there is a chance in the draft to move up and snag Kanter they better do it.

Gay is very underrated on D. Over the last two seasons Iggy has averaged 1.6 steals per game .65 blocks per game and 6.1 rebounds. Gay over the last two years has averaged 1.6 steals .95 blocks per gam and 6 rebounds a game. Gay is a very good defender he gets beat more than Iggy does but he forces shooters into more bad shots due to his length.
...Kaman is not significantly as a rebounder. This year Kamans rebound % was 15.7 and Hawes was 15.6. Not enough of an improvement to justify getting much older. Defensively they are pretty much the same. Offensively Hawes is actually better.


Its not about Gay's d so much as every complaint about Iguodala not being worth his money can be made about Gay.

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05-09-2011, 10:28 PM
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...Kaman is not significantly as a rebounder. This year Kamans rebound % was 15.7 and Hawes was 15.6. Not enough of an improvement to justify getting much older. Defensively they are pretty much the same. Offensively Hawes is actually better.


Its not about Gay's d so much as every complaint about Iguodala not being worth his money can be made about Gay.
Didn't know that about the rebound percentages. I was going off of total rebounds and what I have seen of Kaman. I do think Kaman is better than Hawes in the post though on offense and defense. A lot of Hawes' offense is mid range jump shots.

About the contracts if Iguodala just stuck to his game he would be worth his contract. What I mean is play off ball attack the rim and play hard defense. He needs to stop shooting like he's ****ing Ray Allen. Gay's contract is a year longer if I am not mistaken. I just think if they can't move Iggy for a young center or snag Kanter or a lottery next year than I believe Gay would fit much better with our team.

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05-09-2011, 10:33 PM
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I dont want to tie up more money/years for a similar player coming off injury. Thats just making a trade to make a trade. I guess I wouldnt be completely upset with Gay but he just feh. I dont like the idea of tying up more money/years in a guy who isnt a big man considering eventually we will have to resign our young guys.

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I dont want to tie up more money/years for a similar player coming off injury. Thats just making a trade to make a trade. I guess I wouldnt be completely upset with Gay but he just feh. I dont like the idea of tying up more money/years in a guy who isnt a big man considering eventually we will have to resign our young guys.
It will be easy to re-sign our young players we have room in our hard cap for that.

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Yeah but we wont be able to resign our young guys and get a big with Gay. However, I doubt Memphis trades Gay for Iguodala.

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I have little interest watching the Sixers with Elton Brand and Andre Iggy as our "stars".

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Jrue is our star. Brand and Iggy right now are the stabilizers. They keep things solid while the young guys develop. This is the youngest a sixers team has been in 20 years and they made the playoffs.

Anyway draft combine started. The #2, 4, 5, and 6 picks are all available for trade. If the sixers look to trade up names to remember are Enes Kanters and Jonas Valanciunas. However, at 16 it is probably Faried or a wing player. Options in the second round are Keith Benson, Jeremy Tyler, Michael Dunigan. Those are the centers. When it comes to other players Marshon Brooks is probably out of the sixers range. But Justin Holiday could be an interesting defensive specialist. And thats all I got now.

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Trading Iggy for Gay would be a lateral-ish move, Gay has stronger potential but he is a similar kind of player and not nearly as consistent in his effort.

Trading him for Kaman would be a bad move, Kaman's injury history is terrible. A healthy Kaman is a top 5 center in a league thin at the position, I would compare him with Andrew Bogut (who is also hurt all the time). He also signed an onerous contract not too long ago so I don't see the cap saving angle there unless that was less recent than I remember (thinking two years ago).

He's worse than Bogut defensively but better than Hawes, Hawes is pretty stiff. Collins got a lot out of him, he was flat out terrible on D in Sacramento, no lateral movement.

Iguodala for Gasol I would consider, Gasol is a legit banger inside, he's worth the money. That seems extremely unlikely though, as does the Gay trade really. Memphis will stick with what they got them deep this year and with Gay, I think. If they move a guy, it will be to save money to re-sign Gasol, getting Iggy does not accomplish that.

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Jrue is our star. Brand and Iggy right now are the stabilizers. They keep things solid while the young guys develop. This is the youngest a sixers team has been in 20 years and they made the playoffs.

Anyway draft combine started. The #2, 4, 5, and 6 picks are all available for trade. If the sixers look to trade up names to remember are Enes Kanters and Jonas Valanciunas. However, at 16 it is probably Faried or a wing player. Options in the second round are Keith Benson, Jeremy Tyler, Michael Dunigan. Those are the centers. When it comes to other players Marshon Brooks is probably out of the sixers range. But Justin Holiday could be an interesting defensive specialist. And thats all I got now.
I would like to get the 4 from Cleveland for Iggy and our first and take salary back if Cleveland can't fit Iggy in their cap. If we do that Kanter may just fall to number 4.

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Trading Iggy for Gay would be a lateral-ish move, Gay has stronger potential but he is a similar kind of player and not nearly as consistent in his effort.

Trading him for Kaman would be a bad move, Kaman's injury history is terrible. A healthy Kaman is a top 5 center in a league thin at the position, I would compare him with Andrew Bogut (who is also hurt all the time). He also signed an onerous contract not too long ago so I don't see the cap saving angle there unless that was less recent than I remember (thinking two years ago).

He's worse than Bogut defensively but better than Hawes, Hawes is pretty stiff. Collins got a lot out of him, he was flat out terrible on D in Sacramento, no lateral movement.

Iguodala for Gasol I would consider, Gasol is a legit banger inside, he's worth the money. That seems extremely unlikely though, as does the Gay trade really. Memphis will stick with what they got them deep this year and with Gay, I think. If they move a guy, it will be to save money to re-sign Gasol, getting Iggy does not accomplish that.
kaman's contract expires after the 2011-2012 season.

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kaman's contract expires after the 2011-2012 season.
And you know what we can do with the Kamans expired contract...NOTHING! Because we will still be in cap issues till Brand expires.

Kaman is a move backwards. I want no part of Kaman. Kaman is way worse than Bogut and barely better than Hawes. Kaman is turrible.

Also Kanter is unlikely to fall to 4.

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kaman's contract expires after the 2011-2012 season.
That's not bad but I don't like the idea of trading Iguodala for cap relief to be honest. I feel like he's more valuable than that. Further, depending on what happens with Hawes, Young, et al, the Sixers might not be in a position to add anyone in free agency even with $14M or so coming off the books. I'm not a big fan of building through free agency anyway, few teams do it with success. Look at the Sixers and their competing FA players in the Brand offseason (Clippers, Warriors, etc) or even the following year (Portland, Toronto, Detroit) ... all basically got a hot cup of nothing for their troubles clearing cap space.

Naturally so much hinges on the new CBA, we'll just have to wait and see.

For now I'm actually comfortable with this group, just need to add some size with the MLE and draft intelligently.

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And you know what we can do with the Kamans expired contract...NOTHING! Because we will still be in cap issues till Brand expires.

Kaman is a move backwards. I want no part of Kaman. Kaman is way worse than Bogut and barely better than Hawes. Kaman is turrible.

Also Kanter is unlikely to fall to 4.
Well Irving and Williams are as close as you can get to locks for the 1 and 2 pick. The Jazz may go with Kemba or Knight considering they are going to want a franchise PG since Williams left.

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If I were the Sixers I would talk to Clevland about that 4th overall pick. I really would like a trade of something like Iggy our first (16th) and Speights for the 4th overall and Jamison who's contract expires but is still playing some pretty good basketball. I would think they would want to move Jamison because they have Hickson who is young and has played well for them.

Somebody speculated the T-Wolves are interested in moving the 2nd overall and they think something like Iggy, Meeks, and our first for the second overall which would give us Kanter and throw ins to even the salary.


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The Sixers need a Center and a SG imo. Turner also needs to imoprove dramatically, he should lock himself in a gym and just shoot jumpers. If Markief Morris is there at 16, I would like them to pick him.

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Man some of these trade proposals are terrible. This is the youngest this team has been in 20 years. Dont trade Iguodala for salary dumps. Jrue and Turner will not be ready to contend till the time Iguodala and Brand expire so might as well let them learn to play while being competitive. When you suck too much you tend to learn bad habit...see Sacramento and the Clippers.

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http://phillysportshistory.com/2011/...ent-recovered/

25 years and one day the Sixers made 2 trades that changed the course of there history. It is usually regarded as one of the worst days in philly sports history.



I wonder if history will repeat itself again?

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