I assume you don't get drafted in the first round if you're not considered to be a top prospect. And since they have similar stats, then the same can be said about Bobrovsky, right?
Huh? Proof? Where does it say that he will be this super goalie at?
Did you know he has the same stats as Bobrovsky in less games while being 3 years older?
Like I have said in the other threads, Schneider is all fluff right now. For all we know, he could easily an average backup goalie than a legit starting goalie.
He's untainted fluff, unlike bob. also he's not breakin the bank. plus, he speaks english. better than the other unproven option in bernier. we'll probably just wind up givin leighton an extension though.
I assume you don't get drafted in the first round if you're not considered to be a top prospect. And since they have similar stats, then the same can be said about Bobrovsky, right?
...Your kidding right? Just cause their drafted in the 1st round their a top prospect?
So you don't think 1st round draft picks are top prospects?!
No big deal, I might prefer Schneider over Bob. I've seen both play, and to me it looks like Bob has a little more to work on than Schneider.
Just cause they were drafted in the 1st, doesnt mean their a top prospect. There were ALOT of goalies who were drafted in the first and didnt become stud #1 goalies.
IE see Boucher.
Also Bob better have more work. A rookie 22 yr old vs a 25 year old who has been in the league 3 years. Big difference between the two.
I was surprised that a Nucks fan created this thread.. that seems like a low value return for Schneider.
Actually, it's about what goalies return in trades. It's about all that can realistically be expected in return for him.
As to the proposal, I'd do it in a heartbeat. I'd a;sp take Hartnell for Schneider straight up too. Schneider is better than Bobrovski and there isn't much doubt of this. Schneider IS ready to be a #1 right now. He should be at least as good as Halak with the potential to be much better. If Schneider were our goalie next year then our goaltending would be no worse than middle of the pack. If Bob is our #1 next year then we will likely be in the bottom 3rd in the league for goaltending. our defense will make up for a lot of bobs deficiencies but Schneider would be even better.
As uninspired as Hartnell has played the last 2 seasons, I'd welcome a trade of him for Schneider.
As to the proposal, I'd do it in a heartbeat. I'd a;sp take Hartnell for Schneider straight up too. Schneider is better than Bobrovski and there isn't much doubt of this. Schneider IS ready to be a #1 right now. He should be at least as good as Halak with the potential to be much better. If Schneider were our goalie next year then our goaltending would be no worse than middle of the pack. If Bob is our #1 next year then we will likely be in the bottom 3rd in the league for goaltending. our defense will make up for a lot of bobs deficiencies but Schneider would be even better.
As uninspired as Hartnell has played the last 2 seasons, I'd welcome a trade of him for Schneider.
I agree that it's now or never for Schneider. If he has it in him, he must be ready to shoulder the load next season after 3 years of preparations (but that's still a big IF imho).
Did you really have the impression that our defense made up for any goaltending deficiencies this year?
Just cause they were drafted in the 1st, doesnt mean their a top prospect. There were ALOT of goalies who were drafted in the first and didnt become stud #1 goalies.
IE see Boucher.
Also Bob better have more work. A rookie 22 yr old vs a 25 year old who has been in the league 3 years. Big difference between the two.
Huh? Proof? Where does it say that he will be this super goalie at?
Did you know he has the same stats as Bobrovsky in less games while being 3 years older?
Like I have said in the other threads, Schneider is all fluff right now. For all we know, he could easily an average backup goalie than a legit starting goalie.
As I've said in "other threads"
Bob is younger (22) and has played mostly on losing teams. Schneider has never had a losing season at any level and at 25 yrs old, has already had the benefit of ample seasoning in the AHL. I believe this makes Cory more proven and NHL ready than Bob and thus he represents less of a risk as a go-to young stud to take the reigns of a team. Further, Schneider's numbers in starting more than 20+ games this season have been significantly better than Bobs. Schneider posted a 2.23 GAA and .929 SV% vs Bob's 2.59 GAA .915 SV%. Both are strong lateral movers but Schneider is more aggressive and challenges shooters more effectively. I also believe his positioning is better, his glove is stronger. Both of them need work on their stick handling, which should come in time.
Bob is a good, young raw talent, but Schneider is more of a sure thing at this point in time. The Flyers window of opportunity being what it is with an aging Pronger and Timonen, I'd feel more comfortable and excited with Schneider for the reasons I've stated.
Question: if Paul Holmgren did the unthinkable and landed a top-notch goaltender like Vokoun or Bryzgalov, whom do you think would make a better back-up: Bob, Leighton, Boucher or someone else?
My best-case scenario is Vokoun for ~50-55 games and Bob for the remaining 27-32. Leighton / Backlund in Adirondack. At least we know nobody would claim Leighton if he gets called up. Please don't get called up.
Bryz & Bob would be ideal
Leighton AHL (brought up only for injury relief - although there is still a part of me that thinks he is a better goalie than many make him out to be here )
Boucher - put gun to head - demand he retire
let him go to World Dodge Ball championships - he's a shoe-in to excel at dodging the ball(puck) then , allow himself to be hit with it
So you'd rather go with a Vanbiesbrouck type instead of a young, first round highly touted goaltender that would probably be our starter for the next ten years?
The problem is we already have that young guy in Bob, and having two of them is not the ideal situation. Maybe Bobrovsky's not of the same pedigree , but we know what we have in him. You go out and get a guy like Bryz or Vokoun, or even work out a trade for Nabokov, you're getting guys who can the majority of the load and ease Bob in because it was obvious he was overwhelmed this season.
Not a Leighton or Boucher, don't even suggest that's what I meant. I'm not talking about picking up guys who've been recently buried in the AHL or in backup roles before coming here.
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Boucher - put gun to head - demand he retire
let him go to World Dodge Ball championships - he's a shoe-in to excel at dodging the ball(puck) then , allow himself to be hit with it
If we are going to go with another young goalie. I think we should look into Anders Linback who is the backup for Nashville. I'm pretty sure they have another good prospect goalie in the minors behind him. He's a huge kid 6'5 or 6'6 kind of like Rinne. Could be a good steal.
Edit: I don't know what Nashville would be looking for him though.
The reason I had put in Samuelsson was to even out the cap a bit going back in forth, plus I figure Sammy would be a good option to fill in on Hartnell's top-9 role for you guys.
I would be insane to have include Giroux or JVR in the deal, Two of the best up and comers in the game, especially Giroux, amazing player, great signing by your GM to only have to pay 3.75 for him, Hopefully he continues to get better.
Looks like Schneids could be a realistic option for you guys, hopefully a good deal will be reached.
Bob is younger (22) and has played mostly on losing teams. Schneider has never had a losing season at any level and at 25 yrs old, has already had the benefit of ample seasoning in the AHL. I believe this makes Cory more proven and NHL ready than Bob and thus he represents less of a risk as a go-to young stud to take the reigns of a team. Further, Schneider's numbers in starting more than 20+ games this season have been significantly better than Bobs. Schneider posted a 2.23 GAA and .929 SV% vs Bob's 2.59 GAA .915 SV%. Both are strong lateral movers but Schneider is more aggressive and challenges shooters more effectively. I also believe his positioning is better, his glove is stronger. Both of them need work on their stick handling, which should come in time.
Bob is a good, young raw talent, but Schneider is more of a sure thing at this point in time. The Flyers window of opportunity being what it is with an aging Pronger and Timonen, I'd feel more comfortable and excited with Schneider for the reasons I've stated.
Your failing to add the rest of his stats though....
Rookie season (22 years old turning 23) he played 8 games, going 2-4 with a sv% of .877 and GAA of 3.38.
2nd season he played 2 games, with a 3.38 GAA, and a .915 sv% (not bad sv%)
3rd season as a 24/25 year old, he played 25 games, going 2.23 GAA with a sv% of .929.
So how does a rookie goalie who destroyed Schneider's rookie stats (while being in his first season in NA) in his rookie season (while being younger) be soooo much greater then Bob?
You are making Schneider sound like an all star. He is great in everything except stick handling? Sorry he isnt a super star, and if he was a sure thing at being a super star why would the Canucks deal him? You keep saying he is a sure thing to be good. Evidence? Where is it? There is none...at all.
Right now we need a goalie who we KNOW is good, not one who, meh could be, could not be. No one knows. Sorry but to keep saying that he is going to be a super star, doesnt mean he is going to be.
