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05-11-2011, 01:29 PM
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Yeah. It'd be good to trade him. He surely doesn't have anybody's respect, and it's not like everybody who has played with him or coached him has nothing but glowing praise.

Oh wait.
Ahh...how bout discussing this without the "hate" insinuations and making this so personal....typical

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05-11-2011, 01:31 PM
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Uh. Where am I insinuating any such thing?

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Richards never really wanted to be Captain anyway.
How do you figure this?

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Or maybe Brind'Amour could sit and listen to Richards explain leadership to him. Them maybe Rod could win a Cup.

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Uh. Where am I insinuating any such thing?
The the oh wait back and forth sarasm...suggesting this is just about not liking Richards the player or respecting his accomplishments when it isn't that black and white as Meltzer and I've been trying to point out. I know it's tongue in cheek but it kind of skews the issue which is people saying it is outright BS when there is an underlying problem that needs to be addressed.

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The the oh wait back and forth sarasm...suggesting this is just about not liking Richards the player or respecting his accomplishments when it isn't that black and white as Meltzer and I've been trying to point out. I know it's tongue in cheek but it kind of skews the issue which is people saying it is outright BS when there is an underlying problem that needs to be addressed.
It isn't an attack on any one person, so much as it is an attack on the knee jerk reactions around here because Richards had one subpar season while he was playing injured.

Attacking an argument =/= attacking a person.

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How do you figure this?
Did you follow the progression of Richards being named Captain? He didn't want to the C...he said he wasn't ready for it he then felt obligated. Not figuring anything or making it up it's pretty common knowledge.

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It isn't an attack on any one person, so much as it is an attack on the knee jerk reactions around here because Richards had one subpar season while he was playing injured.
The issue is about the relationship with him and his coach and some maturity issues as far as being a captain and how he deals with the media. His injury is valid but obviously there are other issues..such as al ack of total buy in to the coach and how that may have contributed to his detachment this year as far as intensity and how that will be addressed going forward.

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It's not like anyone is crowning Richards as King überLeader because he played for the gold medal winners in the Olympics where he scored huge clutch goals against Norway and Germany LOL -- despite playing fewer minutes than all but three other players on the roster.

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The issue is about the relationship with him and his coach and some maturity issues as far as being a captain and how he deals with the media. His injury is valid but obviously there are other issues..such as al ack of total buy in to the coach and how that may have contributed to his detachment this year as far as intensity and how that will be addressed going forward.
The problems with the media are legit, but you don't have a lack of intensity if you're blocking a shot on an empty net in an elimination game, down by 3. Or make the assists on the game-tying and game-winning goals in an elimination game. Or play with torn ligaments in your wrist.

We need an excuse for losing. Thus we're scapegoating Richards.

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It's not like anyone is crowning Richards as King überLeader because he played for the gold medal winners in the Olympics where he scored huge clutch goals against Norway and Germany LOL -- despite playing fewer minutes than all but three other players on the roster.

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It's not like fans are calling for him to be stripped of the captaincy because the team lost consistency and failed on their quest for the Cup in ONE SEASON.

Oh wait.

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Did you follow the progression of Richards being named Captain? He didn't want to the C...he said he wasn't ready for it he then felt obligated. Not figuring anything or making it up it's pretty common knowledge.
Look at the timing on when he was asked about wearing the C. Smith was still a Flyer, and there's no way Richards says he wants it while Smith's status with the team was up in the air.

I've never read anything about him feeling obligated to take it - do you remember who or where that was? (not questioning you, I'm interested to read it). I recall Holmgren saying that both he and Stevens talked to Richards about it over the summer, but that's about it.

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It's not like anyone is crowning Richards as King überLeader because he played for the gold medal winners in the Olympics where he scored huge clutch goals against Norway and Germany LOL -- despite playing fewer minutes than all but three other players on the roster.

"Oh wait".
edit: never mind, Ghost nailed it.

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It's not like fans are calling for him to be stripped of the captaincy because the team lost consistency and failed on their quest for the Cup in ONE SEASON.

Oh wait.
You're right. It's not like his brilliantly-led team has failed in every season he has been captain except for the one where he had adult supervision in the person of Chris Pronger.

Oh wait.


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You're right. It's not like his brilliantly-led team failed in every season he has been captain except for the one where he had adult supervision in the person of Chris Pronger.

Oh wait.
By this logic, the captains of 29 teams should be fired and traded away every year.

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this thread is full of win mixed in with some who are trying to win.

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Look at the timing on when he was asked about wearing the C. Smith was still a Flyer, and there's no way Richards says he wants it while Smith's status with the team was up in the air.

I've never read anything about him feeling obligated to take it - do you remember who or where that was? (not questioning you, I'm interested to read it). I recall Holmgren saying that both he and Stevens talked to Richards about it over the summer, but that's about it.

I'm sure if the research is done you will see even when the Smith situation was up in the air he wasn't thrilled....if I recall correctly he mentioned other vet players being more worthy as well. Of course it wouldn't be explicitely stated that "he felt obligated" but management and coaching staff pretty much got him to "come around" to it..

Richards likes to remain in the background off the ice but not on the ice....the formal title of Captaincy is kind of not his thing and I know where he's coming from and don't blame him but again the responsibility is his regardless especially when Pronger is more out of the picture. Last year if you recall to "aid" in Richards' development he would leave the room so Richards would have to address the media and explain things....there was a reason for it. Basically, like a father saying hey time to step to the forefront and not rely on the training wheels...(i.e. maturity process)

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this thread is full of win mixed in with some who are trying to win.
Sure if one looks at it as a zero sum "game...."

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You're right. It's not like his brilliantly-led team failed in every season he has been captain except for the one where he had adult supervision in the person of Chris Pronger.

Oh wait.
You're right, it's not like missing Pronger in the lineup did anything to destabilize a defense either. And in 08-09 he had such defensive stars as Andrew Alberts, Randy Jones, and Lasse Kukkonen playing significant minutes. Plus it's not like that team was dealing with injury problems either.

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Yeah, and he definitely is too selfish, shallow and petty to play a season with an injured wrist.

Oh wait.
Oh, wait the Flyers won the Stanley Cup.....oh wait, no they didn't, second place.











And then they come back and prove everyone wrong by making another long run, oh wait, out second round....



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Oh, wait the Flyers won the Stanley Cup.....oh wait, no they didn't, second place.











And then they come back and prove everyone wrong by making another long run, oh wait, out second round....


You're right! Like 29 other teams, they didn't win the Cup! Time to over-react and blame one or two players for EVERYTHING, without giving any credit to the winning team!

edit: It's worth noting that your post has absolutely nothing to do with mine that you quoted. At all.

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Oh, wait the Flyers won the Stanley Cup.....oh wait, no they didn't, second place.











And then they come back and prove everyone wrong by making another long run, oh wait, out second round....


True, it's not as if losing in the Cup finals and coming back to win it is something that's only been done three times since 1967.

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Attacking an argument =/= attacking a person.
Well if your continued frame of reference when responding to anything controversial about Carter or Richards seems to be Cartisiephan and some others..or when your responses to arguments are directed at the same people in a thread with disparate views..then yes it follows that your equation is contradictory.

Like I've said before seems there is no middle ground when it comes to discussing certain players. In those instances it defaults to a third rail distracting discussion or a Cartsiephan "hate" argument (see threads just above this!)...I know it's Justin Bieber fun to engage in tweet like arguments but sometimes some of us want to discuss things a little more middle ground instead of getting lumped into the extreme default position...

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