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05-09-2011, 03:22 PM
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2011 World Championships Thread

As you may know, JvR went overseas to play for Team USA.

He scored in USA's 5-3 loss vs Switzerland this morning

So post anything about the tourney here..

Watching Canada/Sweden I was thinking about a potential trade for Bernier?

IMO- Quick solitifed the starting job for LAK

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Weren't they already in the single elimination phase? So JVR went over there for one game...?

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Weren't they already in the single elimination phase? So JVR went over there for one game...?
I believe Swiss got eliminated by Sweden in there 2-0 loss yesterday.

USA is in the top 8 so I think...I think they play undefeated Czech

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Yeah, this was their last game in the second phase of the tournament. They came in fourth in their group and will face the Czechs in the quarter final.

Canada and Sweden are in an interesting game at the moment where the winner is rewarded with a qf against Russia and the loser will, unless something out of this world happens, get Germany.

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USA vs Czechs is tomorrow at 10:15

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Bernier doesn't look too good.
Neal plays ten times better in Canada jersey than in Pens'.
Granlund kid could really step into NHL next season, will likely spend a year in AHL, though.
Germany has looked damn good overall.

Also, hate the international no-hit rules. If you call NHL the No-Hit-League, go watch IIHF games.

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Jakub Kovar is a back up for the Czech team but he hasn't played any games.

Did anyone see how Stephane Da Costa looked for the French team? I see he only put up one assist.

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Jakub Kovar is a back up for the Czech team but he hasn't played any games.

Did anyone see how Stephane Da Costa looked for the French team? I see he only put up one assist.
He took like 2 penalties in the game they played the USA. He has a brother that does not look that bad either.

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JVR went over in good faith. He has been a gold standard for USA Hockey, and you can bet, next Olympics.....JVR will be there.

Canada vs. Russia today at 2PM. TSN is streaming it live and on TSN Mobile. I love my country

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Canada-Russia is tomorrow, isn't it? Today it's Czech Republic - USA and Sweden - Germany

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Will the USA vs. Czech game be on NHL Network?

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Will the USA vs. Czech game be on NHL Network?
Not that I can see.

A couple of streams already posted on myp2p though (one hour till the game starts, so there may be one or two more added as well).

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USA game is on Versus. I'm still fairly disappointed after being eliminated but I cannot wait until next year to watch JVR. He's looking good so far in this game and just makes something happen every time he touches the puck.

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****ing technical difficulties...

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C'mon JVR, don't do that.

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And the U.S. produces a big goose egg. Pretty sad. Jagr, at 38 bags a hat trick. I've argued many overstate the talent level in North America. Yeah, these were not top NHL players, but they should steamroll teams like France, Norway and Switzerland. They did not.

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And the U.S. produces a big goose egg. Pretty sad. Jagr, at 38 bags a hat trick. I've argued many overstate the talent level in North America. Yeah, these were not top NHL players, but they should steamroll teams like France, Norway and Switzerland. They did not.
I noticed your Czech. Just a heads up: I'd say .001% of the US population even knows this tournament exists. I just think it's funny that you're all confident to say that the talent level in North America is overrated when Al Montoya was our goalie for this tournament and Canada and the US got the Gold and Silver in the Olympics.

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USA 6 - Finland 0 in the Semis of the Olympics....Enough said

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Nah, actually born in good ol' Chester, U.S.A. I live here, and the Czechs go nuts for this tourney. I agree the US and Canada usually send undermanned teams, but, still, one would expect even lesser talent from the NHL would put up more of a fight against countries like Norway and Switzerland and France. The Swiss beat the U.S. quite handily and the Norwegians, and friggen French!!!!, gave them a good fight. I'm wondering, just how good is all this NHL 'talent.' Seems a bit overrated, no?

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I noticed your Czech. Just a heads up: I'd say .001% of the US population even knows this tournament exists. I just think it's funny that you're all confident to say that the talent level in North America is overrated when Al Montoya was our goalie for this tournament and Canada and the US got the Gold and Silver in the Olympics.
I assume the US hockey federation is aware of the tourney. Having said that, the US did win the U-18 tourney in Dresden recently.

Believe me, I root for the U.S. But it's kinda like rooting for the US in soccer, and we know the US ain't that good in that sport, although they've made great strides.

I mean this US team had Stepan, Komarek, Gaustad, JVR (for only two games granted) Conklin and some others and they are playing tight games against Norway and France!!

I predicted a 4-1 scoreline for this game. I thought JVR would at least bag one. I was over optimistic.

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Nah, actually born in good ol' Chester, U.S.A. I live here, and the Czechs go nuts for this tourney. I agree the US and Canada usually send undermanned teams, but, still, one would expect even lesser talent from the NHL would put up more of a fight against countries like Norway and Switzerland and France. The Swiss beat the U.S. quite handily and the Norwegians, and friggen French!!!!, gave them a good fight. I'm wondering, just how good is all this NHL 'talent.' Seems a bit overrated, no?
No, because they don't care about this tournament....
I mean it's a cool thing and I wish it was more important over here, but it's just...not.

Seriously, if you want to talk international hockey, only refer to the Olympics. I'm pretty sure that EVERY player dressed for the Olympic gold medal game was an NHL player. That talent seems pretty damn good to me.

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As for the Olympics, it seems to work this way, we do well in North America, and the Europeans do well elsewhere. The US got silvers in St. Lake City and Vancouver, but didn't do well in Turin and Nagano. With the next winter Olympics in Sochi, Russia, I'd be surprised if the US gets a medal, and if Canada wins the gold. I think Russia will disappoint, as they will fail to deal with the expectations of being the host nation. Although with hockey, you're dealing with a small pool of elite countries: Sweden, Finland, Canada, Russia, US, Czech Republic, and maybe Slovakia, followed by Germany, then Norway, Denmark, Italy, France. Denmark is make surprising strides.

So, if Canada or the US do well in Sochi, I'll eat crow.

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Curious, was anyone else impressed by Wheeler's speed in today's loss?

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I think the U.S. will have a more impressive team for the olympics if the NHL participates. --After trying to assemble a team based on my limited knowledge of the rest of the league, the U.S. isn't as deep as I hoped. It seems like the best depth they have is in defense and perhaps goalies if Miller is still good and if Corey Crawford and Skille(edit he isn't a goalie) proves to be a top goalie. Edit 2- Actually I think our right wing depth might be better, at least in terms of having a pretty good top 4.


edit- I guess I agree that the U.S. isn't particularly strong though I think they can compete for a top 3 spot, but if Canada puts together a team that works well together, and takes the Olympic Games seriously they should definitely be able to medal.

Also the talent level of the NHL is pretty high as a decent number of players playing for the other major hockey countries play in the NHL, and there would likely be more if the playoffs weren't going on now, or the players chose to play in the World Cup.

Centers
Kesler
Paul Stastny
T.J. Oshie
Joe Pavelski
B. Dubinsky
B. Boyle?
Collin Wilson?

Right Wing
Bobby Ryan
Kessel
edit- kane
R. Callahan
Dustin Brown
J. Skille

Left Wing
Parise
JVR
D. Booth
Eric Tangradi?
Max Pacioretty?

Defense
K. Yandle
C. Fowler
Ryan Suter
J. Johnson
E. Johnson
K. Shattenkirk?
John Carlson?
T. Gleason?

Goalie
Jack Skille edit- (not a goalie)
Corey Crawford (not American)
Jonathan Quick
Ryan Miller
Jimmy Howard?
edit again- Cory Schneider


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I think the U.S. will have a more impressive team for the olympics if the NHL participates. After trying to assemble a team based on my limited knowledge of the rest of the league, the U.S. isn't as deep as I hoped. It seems like the best depth they have is in defense and perhaps goalies if Miller is still good and Corey Crawford and Skille prove to be top goalies.

edit- I guess I agree that the U.S. isn't particularly strong though I think they can compete for a top 3 spot, but if Canada puts together a team that works well together, and takes the Olympic Games seriously they should definitely be able to medal.

Also the talent level of the NHL is pretty high as a decent number of players playing for the other major hockey countries play in the NHL, and there would likely be more if the playoffs weren't going on now, or the players chose to play in the World Cup.

Centers
Kesler
Paul Stastny
T.J. Oshie
Joe Pavelski
B. Dubinsky
B. Boyle

Right Wing
Bobby Ryan
Kessel
R. Callahan
Dustin Brown

Left Wing
Parise
JVR
D. Booth
Eric Tangradi
Max Paccioretty

Defense
K. Yandle
C. Fowler
Ryan Suter
J. Johnson
E. Johnson
K. Shattenkirk
John Carlson
T. Gleason

Goalie
Jack Skille
Corey Crawford
Jonathan Quick
Ryan Miller
Dude, Skille is a winger.

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