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05-11-2011, 09:20 PM
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Back on subject,how big is Emelin officially ? And whether he signs here makes a big impact on what the rest of the Defense looks like.

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75 Hal Gill Defense 6'7" 250 36
26 Josh Gorges Defense 6'1" 202 26
79 Andrei Markov Defense 6'0" 209 32
6 Jaroslav Spacek Defense 5'11" 204 37
76 P.K. Subban Defense 6'0" 202 22
68 Yannick Weber Defense 5'11" 194 22
20 James Wisniewski Defense 5'11" 205 27
Alexi Emelin Defense 6'2" 223 25

Don t see a problem with the size of this defense. They were not getting outshot badly this year and next season should be better.

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See I disagree somewhat. You can have small dmen, if you they are complimented with some size on the other end. With nobody to hold up the rushing forwards these days, the smaller guys are taking a beating.

I'm not sure why everyone is jumping on Ozy so much on this, we have a small blueline.
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Back on subject,how big is Emelin officially ? And whether he signs here makes a big impact on what the rest of the Defense looks like.
According to the IIHF, which is probably the most reliable:

http://stats.iihf.com/Hydra/261/IHM2610RUS_33_5_0.pdf

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According to the IIHF, which is probably the most reliable:

http://stats.iihf.com/Hydra/261/IHM2610RUS_33_5_0.pdf
Thanks. His size is very important to play the physical game he brings,and makes him more valuable to the Habs then any other team. This team sorely lacks that type of D-men. Forwards have no fear around our net or in our zone,nor should they

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75 Hal Gill Defense 6'7" 250 36
26 Josh Gorges Defense 6'1" 202 26
79 Andrei Markov Defense 6'0" 209 32
6 Jaroslav Spacek Defense 5'11" 204 37
76 P.K. Subban Defense 6'0" 202 22
68 Yannick Weber Defense 5'11" 194 22
20 James Wisniewski Defense 5'11" 205 27
Alexi Emelin Defense 6'2" 223 25

Don t see a problem with the size of this defense. They were not getting outshot badly this year and next season should be better.
There is a problem, the right side.

I know Yemelin is a lefty, although I don't know if he can play well on the right side, but assuming he can't, we'll have Subban, Gorges, Wiz, Spacek and Weber on the right side.

This year, we had Hammer and Gill on the left, Mara and Sopel on the right side, so we had options to use some size.

Your lineup doesn't have that option on the right side. That's a problem. Habs are all about balance in the last two seasons. And their moves for dmen point to this.

I can bet all my Vcash to anyone here that there will be at least 3 guys on D who will be 6'2 or taller on the lineup comes October.

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There is a problem, the right side.

I know Yemelin is a lefty, although I don't know if he can play well on the right side, but assuming he can't, we'll have Subban, Gorges, Wiz, Spacek and Weber on the right side.

This year, we had Hammer and Gill on the left, Mara and Sopel on the right side, so we had options to use some size.

Your lineup doesn't have that option on the right side. That's a problem. Habs are all about balance in the last two seasons. And their moves for dmen point to this.

I can bet all my Vcash to anyone here that there will be at least 3 guys on D who will be 6'2 or taller on the lineup comes October.
Emelin and Gorges can play both sides.

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PLease stick to this request, pleeeeaaase
The Blackhawks have two (Seabrook, Hjalmarsson). Does that make all the difference in the world?

You make it seem like they are all so small they cannot handle big opponents. Emelin, Gorges, Wisniewski and even Subban are pretty tough and not pushed around easily.

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Emelin and Gorges can play both sides.
Gorges I know of, and he can play both sides effectively, but he isn't physical to start with.

The question is, does Emelin lose effectiveness playing on the opposite side, and is he better on the left side. Don't forget, Emelin hasn't played NA hockey yet. You can't rely on a unknown like that. You need at least one big guy on the right side. All teams do, because every team needs them.

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75 Hal Gill Defense 6'7" 250 36
26 Josh Gorges Defense 6'1" 202 26
79 Andrei Markov Defense 6'0" 209 32
6 Jaroslav Spacek Defense 5'11" 204 37
76 P.K. Subban Defense 6'0" 202 22
68 Yannick Weber Defense 5'11" 194 22
20 James Wisniewski Defense 5'11" 205 27
Alexi Emelin Defense 6'2" 223 25

Don t see a problem with the size of this defense. They were not getting outshot badly this year and next season should be better.
Yeah thats not much smaller (if at all ) than San Jose's current top 6:

22 Dan Boyle 5-11 190
60 Jason Demers 6-1 195 R
3 Douglas Murray 6-3 240 L
44 Marc-Edouard Vlasic 6-1 200 L
7 Niclas Wallin 6-3 220 L
9 Ian White 5-10 191 R

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Yeah thats not much smaller (if at all ) than San Jose's current top 6:

22 Dan Boyle 5-11 190
60 Jason Demers 6-1 195 R
3 Douglas Murray 6-3 240 L
44 Marc-Edouard Vlasic 6-1 200 L
7 Niclas Wallin 6-3 220 L
9 Ian White 5-10 191 R
They play much bigger. Especially Murray.We haven't had anyone like that since Komi in his earlier years

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The Blackhawks have two (Seabrook, Hjalmarsson). Does that make all the difference in the world?

You make it seem like they are all so small they cannot handle big opponents. Emelin, Gorges, Wisniewski and even Subban are pretty tough and not pushed around easily.
And look where it got them....



Last year, they had 3...


PS.: BTW, they also had Cullimore this season who played 38 games, and he's 6'5...

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Winning teams the last few years have had a majority of their defense be skilled puck movers moreso than a lot of big stay at home types. Look at what Detroit, Pittsburgh, Chicago and Phillie had on defense in terms of skill and mobility the last 4 finals.

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Yeah thats not much smaller (if at all ) than San Jose's current top 6:

22 Dan Boyle 5-11 190
60 Jason Demers 6-1 195 R
3 Douglas Murray 6-3 240 L
44 Marc-Edouard Vlasic 6-1 200 L
7 Niclas Wallin 6-3 220 L
9 Ian White 5-10 191 R
Uhm... that D is on the verge of dropping 4 straight PO games to the Wings

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Winning teams the last few years have had a majority of their defense be skilled puck movers moreso than a lot of big stay at home types. Look at what Detroit, Pittsburgh, Chicago and Phillie had on defense in terms of skill and mobility the last 4 finals.
But still had a balance of size and force.

Unfortunetly, all our PMDs are all 6'0 or under, whereas it was different for most of these teams.

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Uhm... that D is on the verge of dropping 4 straight PO games to the Wings
I'm pretty sure our D could lose 4 staright to the wings also,w/o winning 3 in a row

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They play much bigger. Especially Murray.We haven't had anyone like that since Komi in his earlier years
Emelin is comparable in my opinion. The guy plays very much so on the edge.

Subban has been throwing bombs too, so atleast we'd have two guys there. Wisniewski is fairly physical and he's an underrated open-ice hitter.

Most important aspect to defense in the post-lockout NHL is puck movement and mobility, size and stay at home types are still needed but they aren't as effective as before. The lockout put an early end to a couple big slow defenseman, it's actually amazing Gill is still around... It's a testament to how great he plays down the stretch, his efficiency on the penalty kill and the love from his team mates. He's a serious liability 5-on-5, though.

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Markov 6'0
Subban 6'0
Gorges 6'0
Emelin 6'0
Spacek 5'11
Wiz 5'11
Weber 5'11

You don't see a problem here?
This is the D i see:

Markov(6'0)-Emelin(6'2)
Subban(6'0)-Weber(5'10)
Gill(6'7)-Gorges(6'1)
Spacek(5'11)

I agree that we could be bigger, but sometimes you can get around being small by being fast. How do small D like Rafalski and Boyle seem to rarely get caught with the puck deep in their zone between their feet, and eventually lose it? Because they make quick decisions. Our smaller defense is just going to have to work around its deficiency by making faster, smarter decisions. Better that than signing on another plodding d-man who gets stuck with the puck in his own end all the time (see Sopel, Mara, Spacek).

All that said, if we can somehow get rid of Spacek, of course i'd love to get my hands on somone like Ehrhoff. There's really no chance we can have both though.

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Emelin is comparable in my opinion. The guy plays very much so on the edge.

Subban has been throwing bombs too, so atleast we'd have two guys there. Wisniewski is fairly physical and he's an underrated open-ice hitter.

Most important aspect to defense in the post-lockout NHL is puck movement and mobility, size and stay at home types are still needed but they aren't as effective as before. The lockout put an early end to a couple big slow defenseman, it's actually amazing Gill is still around... It's a testament to how great he plays down the stretch, his efficiency on the penalty kill and the love from his team mates. He's a serious liability 5-on-5, though.
We allow alot of goals in close,because opponents have no fear of jamming and digging the puck. Obviously you need the puck movers also.I haven't seen Emelin,heard he's a big hitter,but would like to see him myself.

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But still had a balance of size and force.
Unfortunetly, all our PMDs are all 6'0 or under, whereas it was different for most of these teams.
I was understanding your side before, but this is grasping at straws dude, cmon...

What on earth does it matter if Markov or Subban are 2' inches taller? We're talking about world talents here. And please don't mention Markov's injuries, as big men are injured all the time..

e.g., Pronger may go under the knife for the 4th time in a very short while..
Which in fact he is:
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/05/11...e-back-surgery


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I really like the idea of a Gorges-Emelin third pairing. With Markov and Subban likely being in our top 4, it will be interesting to see what Gautier does with the other 2 spots. Count me among those who would be happy to bring back Wiz and Gill.

Markov-Wisniewski
Gill-Subban
Gorges-Emelin

^That's a pretty sexy group.

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Pierre Mcguire just said that the deal is as good as done. Said he'd be a solid #3 d-man for the habs.
That seems a little hopeful, physical D-men types tend to get a little overrated, especially by McGuire. But he's solid (he wouldn't play all these minutes in the KHL otherwise) and with the D-men the Habs have, he really doesn't need to be the #3.

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That seems a little hopeful, physical D-men types tend to get a little overrated, especially by McGuire. But he's solid (he wouldn't play all these minutes in the KHL otherwise) and with the D-men the Habs have, he really doesn't need to be the #3.
McGuire is actually pretty "quiet" as far as Emelin is concerned. May I remind everyone that while Emelin was having his roughest year since he joined the KHL, McGuire was calling Emelin, "the best d-man outside of the NHL"....

So McGuire calling him a good 3rd is actually quite reasonable....for McGuire.

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They play much bigger. Especially Murray.We haven't had anyone like that since Komi in his earlier years
Well now we have Emelin, who plays Murray's style. As i wrote in another post (that as usual nobody read) Emelin's biggest asset is his hitting ability, and unlike an enforcer who plays 5-8 minutes a game and doesn't have much influence over the game, Emelin's ability to to run people over will eventually curtail other teams player's from taking liberties with ours. I'll admit though that we're still small. Getting rid of Spacek would solve a lot of our problems, as it would free up the cash to get a d-man with size and skill. Maybe not the best d-men out there (Ehrhoff, Bieksa, Pitkanen) but maybe a Brewer or Hejda. But even then, i see these guys being overpriced due the lack of good UFA D-men.

Look for Gauthier to try to shore up the D with a guy like John Erskine, who has no real offensive game but is big, tough and able to clear the crease with ease. It simply would not be fiscally responsible for Gauthier to sign a guy like Wiz, Ehrhoff or Bieksa to long term contracts of 4-5M a year, when Subban and Price will soon cost a pretty penny.

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