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View Poll Results: Where will the Rangers wind up?
1-5 spot 7 7.61%
6-10 spot 42 45.65%
11-15 spot 37 40.22%
16-20 spot 6 6.52%
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05-14-2011, 04:11 PM
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LOL, bern, again with Dowzak? The guy is an F-level prospect that will almost certainly NOT be with the organization next year. He sucks, he's an average player in the equivalent of A-ball hockey.

Seriously, are you his brother or something?

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I voted 16-20. Anybody of any real quality has already graduated imo and the depth behind them is lacking. McDonagh is an animal, Kreider is highly touted, and Stepan and Zuc should be solid. After that, it's meh.

EDIT: I forgot Thomas, I do like Thomas. I'll have to see more from him for now, but he could push us up later.
I think you are undervaluing the potential for the Ranger's group. We have potential NHL players going as far as 14/15 deep into the list. Not many teams can boast that. We have Jason Wilson at 18, who many think will almost certainly make it to the NHL as a 3rd/4th-liner. What we are missing is elite talent, because we always finish in the middle of the league.

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DowzaK???

C'mon Dowzak will most likely be my defense partner in some beer league a few years down the line

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LOL, bern, again with Dowzak? The guy is an F-level prospect that will almost certainly NOT be with the organization next year. He sucks, he's an average player in the equivalent of A-ball hockey.

Seriously, are you his brother or something?
*below average in the equivalent of A-ball hockey.

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I think you are undervaluing the potential for the Ranger's group. We have potential NHL players going as far as 14/15 deep into the list. Not many teams can boast that. We have Jason Wilson at 18, who many think will almost certainly make it to the NHL as a 3rd/4th-liner. What we are missing is elite talent, because we always finish in the middle of the league.

I think Kreider, Thomas and maybe Fasth have elite potential. They are just not blue-chippers who are "likely" to reach that potential, but Kreider and Thomas are "probable" and Fasth is a "possible."

I think one of them will be a first liner (70-80 points), one will be a borderline second liner (35-45 points) and one will be a bust who won't make it.

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I think Kreider, Thomas and maybe Fasth have elite potential. They are just not blue-chippers who are "likely" to reach that potential, but Kreider and Thomas are "probable" and Fasth is a "possible."

I think one of them will be a first liner (70-80 points), one will be a borderline second liner (35-45 points) and one will be a bust who won't make it.
What makes you think Thomas and Kreider are probable elites?

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What makes you think Thomas and Kreider are probable elites?
I think Thomas has that potential, but it's very unlikely he hits it.

I don't see it in Kreider at all. Though Kreider is safer than Thomas, for sure.

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Probable to develop into elite prospects, I meant. Sorry, was not clear at all from what I wrote.

I do think one of the three becomes a point per game producer, most likely Thomas.

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I dont think we are top-10.

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We are definitely not in the top 7. There are 7 teams that are clearly superior. Between 8 and 15, not a massive difference, so we can be anywhere.

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LOL, bern, again with Dowzak? The guy is an F-level prospect that will almost certainly NOT be with the organization next year. He sucks, he's an average player in the equivalent of A-ball hockey.

Seriously, are you his brother or something?
Haha, this is exactly what I was thinking. I wouldn't even consider Dowzak a prospect anymore.

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Well, we're in the top 10. I'm gonna guess we start the list at #10.

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I'm guessing 7 or 8.

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11-20 are out...Rangers made the top 10.

HF Org. Rankings, 11-20

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11-20 are out...Rangers made the top 10.

HF Org. Rankings, 11-20
I think voters see a lot of names on our prospect list, add them all up and its some healthy depth as far as prospect stables go. But I really wonder if a team in the top ten should be there without having a true A+ prospect? What do you guys think?

Teams listed 10-17 all have at least one game changing prospect, sans maybe Ottawa, and they're at least getting a shot at one this June.

Prospect pool rankings come and go, read some of the past ones, they're good for a few laughs

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11-20 are out...Rangers made the top 10.

HF Org. Rankings, 11-20
Looks like the Islanders have moved into the top 10 as well.

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I think voters see a lot of names on our prospect list, add them all up and its some healthy depth as far as prospect stables go. But I really wonder if a team in the top ten should be there without having a true A+ prospect? What do you guys think?

Teams listed 10-17 all have at least one game changing prospect, sans maybe Ottawa, and they're at least getting a shot at one this June.

Prospect pool rankings come and go, read some of the past ones, they're good for a few laughs
It can be argued Kreider and Thomas have the potential to be game-changers. I think Thomas especially.

And as for Kreider, HF rates him as one of the top prospects right now. Combined those 2 with players like Grachev, Zuccarello, and Fasth, who could be great supplementary scoring guys, good depth players in Hagelin, Bourque, Weise, Horak, and Lindberg, you have a really nice farm up front. And then there's McDonagh, McIlrath, Valentenko and Kundratek on the back end.

The only weakness the farm really has is a lack of offense in our defenseman.

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I think voters see a lot of names on our prospect list, add them all up and its some healthy depth as far as prospect stables go. But I really wonder if a team in the top ten should be there without having a true A+ prospect? What do you guys think?

Teams listed 10-17 all have at least one game changing prospect, sans maybe Ottawa, and they're at least getting a shot at one this June.

Prospect pool rankings come and go, read some of the past ones, they're good for a few laughs
HF is very high on Kreider from what i've seen, and Thomas has shown the potential to be a game-breaker too.

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I voted 16-20. Anybody of any real quality has already graduated imo and the depth behind them is lacking. McDonagh is an animal, Kreider is highly touted, and Stepan and Zuc should be solid. After that, it's meh.

EDIT: I forgot Thomas, I do like Thomas. I'll have to see more from him for now, but he could push us up later.
You contradict yourself, as I think McDonagh, Kreider and Zuccarello are all of "real quality". Stepan graduated.

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1. Los Angeles Kings
2. Columbus Blue Jackets
3. Florida Panthers
4. Edmonton Oilers
5. Toronto Maple Leafs
6. New York Rangers
7. Nashville Predators
8. St. Louis Blues
9. Anaheim Ducks
10. New York Islanders

11. Chicago Black Hawks
12. Detroit Red Wings
13. Carolina Hurricanes
14. Buffalo Sabres
15. New Jersey Devils
16. Ottawa Senators
17. Tampa Bay Lightning
18. Dallas Stars
19. Phoenix Coyotes
20. Montreal Canadiens

21. Pittsburgh Penguins
22. Washington Capitals
23. Colorado Avalanche
24. Boston Bruins
25. San Jose Sharks
26. Minnesota Wild
27. Vancouver Canucks
28. Philadelphia Flyers
29. Atlanta Thrashers
30. Calgary Flames
I could see something like this.

EDIT: Although, 6-8 look pretty interchangeable.

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How the hell are we top 10?

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How the hell are we top 10?
Kreider Kool-aid.

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Wow, I really disagree with the list. We're really not a top-10 team prospect wise. It's nice to get recognized as such, though.

Remember, HF LOVES Kreider.

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What we know:

In the last Organizational Rankings, the Rangers were #9 on the list.

The Bruins and Capitals, both who ranked ahead of us in the last rankings at #5 and #7 respectively fell back to the bottom third due to trades and graduating prospects.

The Predators were #1 on the list during the last poll. At the time, their top prospects were: Colin Wilson, Jonathan Blum, Charles-Olivier Roussel, Chet Pickard, and Taylor Beck. Of those, only Wilson is considered to have graduated.

The Kings were #2 on the list. Jonathan Bernier, Brayden Schenn, Derek Forbort, Andrei Loktionov, and Thomas Hickey were considered their top prospects. Only Colten Teubert was traded.

The Oilers were #3 on the list. Taylor Hall, Jordan Eberle and Magnus Paajarvi all have graduated, so they surely dropped. Though they still have Petry, Pitlick, Marincin, Hamilton and Omark considered as prospects.

The Panthers at #4 lost Bergfors, Ellerby and Kulikov to graduation, but still have Gudbranson, Markstrom, Bjugstad rounding out their top 3.

The Blues at #6 lost Pietrangelo to graduation. But strong years from Tarasenko and Schwartz kept the Blues prospect pool well grounded in position.

The Blue Jackets at #8 did not lost any prospects graduation yet. Nikita Filatov, Ryan Johansen, John Moore, Cody Goloubef, Matthew Calvert round out their top 5. Filatov's stock has slipped, but Johansen has become one of the best prospects around the league.

The Rangers come in at #9. Anisimov, Boyle, Del Zotto, Sauer and Stepan have all graduated. But top prospects Kreider, Grachev, Zucarello, and McDonagh still remain at the top of their list along with Christian Thomas whose 2011 season has surely boosted his value.

The Red Wings come in at #10, blah blah...

The Black Hawks come in at #11, blah blah...

The Maple Leafs, #12, had the greatest haul of prospects come into their organization this year. With Colbourne and Gardiner coming in trades, and Reimer establishing himself as one of the better goalie prospects.

I'm not doing this anymore, as it is getting rather boring, and pointless, but we all get the scoop.
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