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05-15-2011, 02:09 PM
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Landeskog >>>>>>>>>>> Larsson.


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Think this is the first thing I completely agree with you on.

A chance at drafting Larsson at the expense of a 2nd and an additional pick, hell yes.
+1

Also we would still have at least 1 pick in the 2nd round of that draft with the possiblity of getting another one.

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05-15-2011, 03:32 PM
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ISS top 30 for May.
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I'm surprised by where Zibanejad is. Also, I'm a little surprised by where they have Huberdeau and Murphy ranked.

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05-15-2011, 03:35 PM
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Yeah... ISS rankings can be a head scratcher at times.

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Name#Aug#Sep#Oct#Nov#Dec#Jan#Feb#Mar#Apr#May
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins6222221111
Adam Larsson2333312222
Sean Couturier1111144433
Gabriel Landeskog11664433344
Douglas Hamilton-1010111189755
Mika Zibanejad30-----271496
Jonathan Huberdeau-----1913987
Ryan Murphy8945665568
Ryan Strome---12957679
Oscar Klefbom-1316-----2610
Sven Bärtschi----262426211211
Duncan Siemens1011118878101112
Joel Armia171915671112131013
Nathan Beaulieu27------231314
Rocco Grimaldi--3030232516182515
JT Miller---------16
Mark Scheifele--------2917
Connor Murphy-2627------18
Jonas Brodin--------3019
Mark McNeill---27151620151420
Jamie Oleksiak------25191521
Niclas Jensen22----1010111622
Alexander Khokhlachev-211318141514161823
Brandon Saad77795911121924
Victor Rask3557101424282025
David Musil44914131315172126
Ty Rattie19--25302021222327
Matthew Puempel128810121828302728
Zack Phillips--------2829
Brett Ritchie-25-------30
Tyler Biggs2830--28126817-
Daniel Catenacci232324-2929172022-
Dmitrij Jaskin--29191617192424-
Myles Bell--231517231825--
Colin Jacobs---2627282226--
Scott Mayfield---2221222327--
Joachim Nermark292426----29--
Nick Shore13-----29---
Tomas Jurco14141417222630---
Vladislav Namestnikov92021201921----
Matthew Nieto182222212027----
Rickard Rakell-----30----
Robbie Russo25-251318-----
Maxim Shalunov-16182424-----
Shane McColgan1517192325-----
Seth Ambroz5121216------
Patrick Koudys-292828------
Adam Clendening21151729------
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Scott Harrington-27--------
Alan Quine-28--------
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05-15-2011, 03:39 PM
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At least we all agree that we want Larsson in some way, shape, or form.
Definitely. If we manage to draft Larsson, the resulting gif party will take up two threads.

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ISS top 30 for May.
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article...llers_may2011/
I'm surprised by where Zibanejad is. Also, I'm a little surprised by where they have Huberdeau and Murphy ranked.
Zibanejad is crazy high, I agree. Klefbom is also a lot higher than I would have put him. Bartschi is as well, but I have seen other scouting services have him that high too. Klefbom is just out of left field, other rankings have had him in the early second round.

Looks like Biggs has dropped quite a bit.

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05-15-2011, 04:13 PM
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Definitely. If we manage to draft Larsson, the resulting gif party will take up two threads.



Zibanejad is crazy high, I agree. Klefbom is also a lot higher than I would have put him. Bartschi is as well, but I have seen other scouting services have him that high too. Klefbom is just out of left field, other rankings have had him in the early second round.

Looks like Biggs has dropped quite a bit.
Biggs was a total disaster at the U-18 for the States and Klefbom had a solid showcasing. Victor Rask is another Swede that played very well but his stock isn't rising as fast I guess. He was Zibanejad's center and they looked solid together, causing several scoring chances per shifts. He's getting limited minutes in the SEL and that's the reason why his stock is in neutral since x-mas/new years.

Yes, he played left wing at the tournament

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05-15-2011, 04:31 PM
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Is there any chance Rask or Namestnikov will be available at #38? Prob not.

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I'm always wary of judging prospects based on a small sample size like the WJC or U18 tournaments. But it seems like Biggs has been trending down recently anyway.

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I'm always wary of judging prospects based on a small sample size like the WJC or U18 tournaments. But it seems like Biggs has been trending down recently anyway.
I'm certain they take other stats into consideration.

Rask would be a nice pick if he does slip and Musil is another guy that's taking a nose dive in the rankings for some reason. If one or the other falls out of the 1st round, I'd be thrilled if Lou made a move to snatch one them up. Jurco wouldn't be a bad idea either.

****ing Arnott had to cost us our 2nd round pick

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It's odd that many of these players aren't playing any more since their seasons are done, and yet their rankings are still changing somehow.

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I can see Jurco schremp-ing out. That`s what I`m worried about.

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My thoughts on trading up for Larsson: If you feel that he's the best player in the draft, and you have the ammo to move up, you do it. You don't leave it to chance that Florida passes on him.

Next year's 2nd rounder is an easy pill to swallow to guarantee that you can draft an almost-ready NHLer who can become our #1 for years to come.

But if it's clear that COL and FLA won't take him, then this point is moot.

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So when is the draft again?

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I'm always wary of judging prospects based on a small sample size like the WJC or U18 tournaments. But it seems like Biggs has been trending down recently anyway.
What I've heard is that he is lacking high end offensive abilities. He has the skill of a 3rd liner, but his size and leadership is what makes his valuable. I think scouts are starting to think that he will most likely turn out to be a 3rd liner with the upside of possibly being a 2nd liner. He plays a power forward game but has to improve his work with the puck and I also heard his positioning isn't that great.
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I can see Jurco schremp-ing out. That`s what I`m worried about.
I feel the same way. He just seems like one of those fancy players who's offense doesn't translate to the NHL.

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I'm certain they take other stats into consideration.

Rask would be a nice pick if he does slip and Musil is another guy that's taking a nose dive in the rankings for some reason. If one or the other falls out of the 1st round, I'd be thrilled if Lou made a move to snatch one them up. Jurco wouldn't be a bad idea either.

****ing Arnott had to cost us our 2nd round pick
AND Halischuk!! I was a pretty big fan of his and still think he would look good on our wing (although there is still a bit of a logjam)

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Huberdeau going from unranked for months to 7th overall over the course of 4 months is a cause for concern. I don't like players that come out of nowhere.

Why weren't they this good before? Was it because no one noticed? Was it because they truly grew as a player in that short of a time? Or is he just overachieving? I just don't like the idea of taking Huberdeau.

RNH, Larsson, Couturier, and Murphy are the only ones that have been in the top 10 from the beginning on. They set expectations and met them, while one or two may have overachieved just slightly. I'd be most comfortable with one of them.

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****ing Arnott had to cost us our 2nd round pick
He cost us Halischuk. I can live with that. Technically we got even better 2nd rounder from WSH.

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Huberdeau going from unranked for months to 7th overall over the course of 4 months is a cause for concern. I don't like players that come out of nowhere.

Why weren't they this good before? Was it because no one noticed? Was it because they truly grew as a player in that short of a time? Or is he just overachieving? I just don't like the idea of taking Huberdeau.

RNH, Larsson, Couturier, and Murphy are the only ones that have been in the top 10 from the beginning on. They set expectations and met them, while one or two may have overachieved just slightly. I'd be most comfortable with one of them.
Wow, I actually agree with you. Weird.

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****ing Arnott had to cost us our 2nd round pick
Don't fret over this. Arnott became the middleman of a trade that basically went from Halischuk + 2011 2nd to Steckel + 2012 2nd. With no names to put to those picks, it's hard to tell if we benefited or not.

I do know that we're more likely to land a good player with the 2012 2nd. Maybe it's Shea Weber 2.0. Never know. If that becomes the case, we lucked out with the Arnott deal.

I'm not particularly sold on the kids that are expected to be available in the 2nd round. Rask would basically be the only player that I'd be upset about missing on if he was available that late, but I doubt he falls that far.

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I wonder if the Devils will take a chance on Granund's brother in the 3rd round he is said to be a 2nd or 3rd round pick.

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June 24th @ 7:00pm

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I wonder if the Devils will take a chance on Granund's brother in the 3rd round he is said to be a 2nd or 3rd round pick.
Is he any good? (Q for dali + other Finns)

If they were anything close to Koivu Bros, it would definitely be sweet to pick him. Why not...

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Is he any good? (Q for dali + other Finns)

If they were anything close to Koivu Bros, it would definitely be sweet to pick him. Why not...
idk I never watched him.

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Huberdeau going from unranked for months to 7th overall over the course of 4 months is a cause for concern. I don't like players that come out of nowhere.

Why weren't they this good before? Was it because no one noticed? Was it because they truly grew as a player in that short of a time? Or is he just overachieving? I just don't like the idea of taking Huberdeau.

RNH, Larsson, Couturier, and Murphy are the only ones that have been in the top 10 from the beginning on. They set expectations and met them, while one or two may have overachieved just slightly. I'd be most comfortable with one of them.
Huberdeau started to turn heads in last years playoff. As a 16/17 year old, he racked up close to a PPG (11g, 7a in 21 games with 22 PIM's). He worked real hard in the offseason and started were he left off and then some.

I would agree with you if his stats were boosted cause of the talent he's being surrounder with but it's the other way around. He makes his linemates even better and I would say that he's the one dragging guys like Galiev and Phillips around and boosting their stats.

Playing in your rookie year, you'll get to ride the bench from the get-go unless your name is Crosby or something. When Couturier started off in Drummondville, he wasn't a top 6 forward and neither was Huberdeau.

If only you can watch him play tonight, you'd see why he's ranked that highly

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Would you be surprised if we took Zibanejad at 4 or traded down with Ottawa for him?

I never seen him play but he is intriguing from all the stuff I have read.

I personally hope we wouldn't but who knows Lou and Conte know best.

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Would you be surprised if we took Zibanejad at 4 or traded down with Ottawa for him?

I never seen him play but he is intriguing from all the stuff I have read.

I personally hope we wouldn't but who knows Lou and Conte know best.
I wouldn't be surprised if we liked Zibanejad a lot, but I don't see us leaving the draft with him.

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