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View Poll Results: Who is should be held accountable?
Fire the Coach, he is a bum who overworked the crew. 1 1.92%
Send a message, do not resign Leino, move one of Carter or Richards or Hartnell. 21 40.38%
Strip the C off Richards, and move Carter or Hartnell. 13 25.00%
Do nothing, everything is fine, just let them talk it out. 13 25.00%
Fire the Coach and GM, the core needs to stay intact. 4 7.69%
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05-12-2011, 04:12 PM
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The thing is, it's not a guarantee to get that kind of return. Look at what big ticket players have gone for the past few years and I have not seen one player land: a legit #1 prospect and two first round picks. I haven't.

If anything Carter might land a blue chip prospect and a number 1, but that's being generous. If you take a look at most teams, who out there is willing to give that? Exactly.

It's very easy to say "oh, just deal Carter." But it's another thing to find a fair value deal for him. The Flyers aren't in a position of strength to move a big ticket contact. That's the reality of it.

Flyers have depth at center: Briere, Giroux, Richards. Sign Konopka as the 4th line center, get a legit RW, move on.

If Carter holds as much value as many will say, two firsts and a legit #1 prospect should be a no-brainer. It is like the only team who holds Carter to such high esteem is the Flyers fans except when it comes time to value a return.

Kessel got two #1's, do you think Carter should get more? He is a better player than Kessel.

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Not if they play like they did in the playoffs and before. You seem to neglect the fact that this team struggled over the last 20 games. It was not "being tired" or whatever excuse you want to give, it is because the team on the ice did not skate hard enough, win the little battles to win like they did when they "flipped the switch" early in the season. Maybe I am in the minority here regarding some players but overall you cannot deny the fact this team checked out before the playoffs and the quotes back that up.

Don't blame the goalies for the lack of physical play and ability to mark men in the open spots of the ice. This is maybe where you and people like myself go the opposite way, I am not willing to give the core the excuse of losing because IMO they did not come prepared to play when it counted. Period.
Oh, believe me. I don't put the Flyers losses to Boston or the last few weeks of the season all on the goalies. The Flyers weren't skating, and they weren't playing the way they're capable.

However, in the Boston series, goaltending was incredibly lopsided. The defense left the tenders out to dry more than a few times, but the Flyers' goaltending was weak. You could almost see the players' shoulders when a soft goal was allowed. It's very hard to play from behind every game. And it's that much harder in the playoffs and against a very, very good team with fantastic goaltending. Thomas flat out stole game 2.

If the Flyers played their very best, I'm not confident they win that series with the goaltending behind them. It wouldn't have been a sweep, but Boucher/Bob/Leighton weren't going to take them far. And the turnstile in net didn't help, despite how often the players said they didn't care who was back there.

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If carter holds as much value as people say, it means we should keep him. Its a no-brainer.

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I like my Captains injured and not on the Ice! Give Pronger the C!

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I am also pretty surprised there weren't more "get rid of Carter" options. You can never get enough of those, especially if you could choose them all! (It's like Pokemon, but in reverse)

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Is all of the above applicable?

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Don't trade Jeff Carter, the guy scores goals. You can't take that for granted. Get rid of Carle and ****ing Versteeg. Waste of our 1st round pick.

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Don't resign Leino unless he wants to play for 2.5-2.8, trade Versteeg and Carle. Let carcillo walk and waive Shelley.

Sign Erik Cole, Tomas Vokoun, Raffi Torres and maybe a guy like Jan hejda.

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None of them are even close. I'd trade Carle, Carcillo, Nodl, Walker, Shelley, and Leighton. You'd probably have to end up waiving the last 3 and burying them. Promote Holmstrom to the 4th line, sign Vokoun/Bryz, promote Gustafsson, sign a 3rd pairing vet, and a vet 3rd liner.


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It is a philly.com poll, do you read philly.com?
I try not to read blogs.


But you can continue to.



I hear great things about this up-and-commer Tim Panaccio.

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I remember Gustafsson looking solid during preseason next to Timonen. Iremember the last preseason game he played, he had around 25 minutes or something (lead the team). Would love to see if he could make the squad. Would be a cheap option for 2 years. He is also a really good pp QB, so maybe we can get the pp moving.

In the end, a prospect or 2 would help this team out get Vokoun (money wise)

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So what you're saying Cartsie is you had two clear chances to take out Carter and you didn't... What is the point of stalking if you can't take advantage?

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Well I see this thread has run it's course.

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