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05-17-2011, 12:31 PM
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Bobrovsky's flaws are easily correctable

Justin Goldman of the Goalie Guild wrote an article about Bobrovsky during the first round of the playoffs talking about correcting Bobrovsky's stance in the net. I'm not sure if it has been posted yet, but I found it interesting. It seems that he thinks Bobrovsky can improve by making these adjustments.
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But if Bobrovsky can make a couple of simple adjustments, he will appear bigger in the net and take better advantage of his frame.

He can do this by narrowing his wide stance and then straightening his back. It doesn't happen overnight, but these gradual adjustments will cause him to appear bigger and taller, both in the butterfly and up on his skates.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=560520

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Denis Potvin compared him to a cobra because of the way he pounced out at the puck. I don't like how it makes him look smaller and would prefer it if he stood up a bit straighter to take the spaces above his shoulders away.

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Justin Goldman of the Goalie Guild wrote an article about Bobrovsky during the first round of the playoffs talking about correcting Bobrovsky's stance in the net. I'm not sure if it has been posted yet, but I found it interesting. It seems that he thinks Bobrovsky can improve by making these adjustments.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=560520
As in he just have to stand more tall than he is and be less collapse-y? I'm sure Reese can help him with that in the off-season/training camp.

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I agree that Bob's style can be corrected, but I'm not so sure about the word "easily". If Reese stands him up taller, that will affect his lateral movement, which is one of Bob's strengths. It's not just trapper positioning. Unlearning things as basic as stance without a major drop in other abilities can take a lot of time and patience.

Alternatively, they could put 2-foot earflaps on either side of his goalie mask.

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Denis Potvin compared him to a cobra because of the way he pounced out at the puck. I don't like how it makes him look smaller and would prefer it if he stood up a bit straighter to take the spaces above his shoulders away.
This...he leaves SO MUCH DAMNED SPACE in the corners to shoot at. His life would be easier if he didn't do that.

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I agree that Bob's style can be corrected, but I'm not so sure about the word "easily". If Reese stands him up taller, that will affect his lateral movement, which is one of Bob's strengths. It's not just trapper positioning. Unlearning things as basic as stance without a major drop in other abilities can take a lot of time and patience.

Alternatively, they could put 2-foot earflaps on either side of his goalie mask.
I think if you get a good goalie in here to take the pressure off Bobrovsky he could work on it and become better. I'm sure they are already working on it over the summer too.

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If BOB would can learn to use a stand up style of net minding when the opposition is shooting from bad angles that will solve about 80% of his minor flaws.....It is almost rediculous seeing goalies who have the angle already covered going down and then leaving the upper shortside wide open....There is certainly a time to use the butterfly, but not at bad angles.And if a goalie must use the butterfly, he must not drop too soon, this is a major flaw that NHL shooters take full advantage of.

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Denis Potvin compared him to a cobra because of the way he pounced out at the puck. I don't like how it makes him look smaller and would prefer it if he stood up a bit straighter to take the spaces above his shoulders away.
I don't think it's an easy fix. I think the Flyers should let him spend a season in the AHL. Play 60 games working on his techniques because i don't think it's an off season type of adjustment.

Sign a #1 goalie and resign Boucher for @ 800,000-900,000 as a backup.

It's not like Bob was getting beat by snipers in the corners. Rob Neidermeyer, Boychuck.

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He also needs to get better at puck handling, rebound control, and positioning (especially when he's flopping around).

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He also needs to get better at puck handling, rebound control, and positioning (especially when he's flopping around).
His puck handling skill has gone up a ton for just one year, his rebound control is better than Boosh's, but could be better. His flopping is a bit much, but it shows he really wants to stop the puck.

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I think now that Bobo has an off season to take his time, reflect and watch videos, he can easily improve on a lot of his weaknesses.

I really do hope he can play at least 30 games next year, he will need reps.

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Well repetition, recognition, experience and experimentation are the keys for any young goalie, no one is going to master it all right away.

A little more of a hybrid style would help, I think SgtJoseph was pretty much spot on with his suggestion there to make the easy saves, well, easy.

His movement side to side is strong but his north/south sense is not there yet IMO, sometimes he gets caught inbetween challenging and playing deep.

Too much wasted motion, too, that gets him diving around in there and kicking out rebounds. To me positioning and rebound control are almost totally overlapping, when do you see a guy with sound positioning who has rebound control issues? Pretty much never. Maybe if he has conditioning problems they will create rebound difficulty, that's about it.

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Well repetition, recognition, experience and experimentation are the keys for any young goalie, no one is going to master it all right away.

A little more of a hybrid style would help, I think SgtJoseph was pretty much spot on with his suggestion there to make the easy saves, well, easy.

His movement side to side is strong but his north/south sense is not there yet IMO, sometimes he gets caught inbetween challenging and playing deep.

Too much wasted motion, too, that gets him diving around in there and kicking out rebounds. To me positioning and rebound control are almost totally overlapping, when do you see a guy with sound positioning who has rebound control issues? Pretty much never. Maybe if he has conditioning problems they will create rebound difficulty, that's about it.
I think Bob is a very fast learner though, but yeah, not everything can be done in one season.

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This is precisely why Bobrovsky is still 2-3 years from being an NHL goalie and why Bryzgalov needs to be priority #1 once 7/1 deadline hits.

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I think now that Bobo has an off season to take his time, reflect and watch videos, he can easily improve on a lot of his weaknesses.

I really do hope he can play at least 30 games next year, he will need reps.
He needs a full season in the AHL, period. His development is two-fold: technique and confidence.

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Lets just see a few things.

1. Bob has never had a goaltending coach. Everything he's learnt has been on his own back. If that's not dedication I don't know what is.

2. Jeff Reese has created Leighton into a goalie that was capable of helping out a team for a short while.

3. Bob is incredibly competative.

4. Bob looks like a completly different goaltender handling the puck to the start of the season.

5. Bob didn't understand a word of english at the start of the season.

6. His girlfriend is stuck in another country due to visa issues.

Bob is going to be a very good goaltender. To put up the numbers he did with the flaws in his game was incredible. He's already a very well liked player in the team. Just his general manner outside of the rink, he looks much more comfortable around the players on the team. He also seems to have a pretty good sense of humour. I can't wait to see how this kid is going to turn out next season.

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Lets just see a few things.

1. Bob has never had a goaltending coach. Everything he's learnt has been on his own back. If that's not dedication I don't know what is.

2. Jeff Reese has created Leighton into a goalie that was capable of helping out a team for a short while.

3. Bob is incredibly competative.

4. Bob looks like a completly different goaltender handling the puck to the start of the season.

5. Bob didn't understand a word of english at the start of the season.

6. His girlfriend is stuck in another country due to visa issues.

Bob is going to be a very good goaltender. To put up the numbers he did with the flaws in his game was incredible. He's already a very well liked player in the team. Just his general manner outside of the rink, he looks much more comfortable around the players on the team. He also seems to have a pretty good sense of humour. I can't wait to see how this kid is going to turn out next season.


Bobrovsky cannot be relied on to be the guy this year, but at the same time he need the reps. This is going to be the time where the organization invests in a goalie and have some patience to groom him into a legit NHL starter. This is going to take a couple years.

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If Bob makes the adjustments that that article is quoted as saying it also should put more of the weight on the heels of his skates, which usually helps get the pads down in the ice faster and makes it easier to keep the knees together.

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If BOB would can learn to use a stand up style of net minding when the opposition is shooting from bad angles that will solve about 80% of his minor flaws.....It is almost rediculous seeing goalies who have the angle already covered going down and then leaving the upper shortside wide open....There is certainly a time to use the butterfly, but not at bad angles.And if a goalie must use the butterfly, he must not drop too soon, this is a major flaw that NHL shooters take full advantage of.
You will get scored on low far post, against decent shooters at all but the most severe angles if you try to play a stand up style in this spots.

The whole thing about goalies dropping too soon is easier said than done too. There is the cliche about whoever goes first between the goalie and the shooter loses, but that's crap a lot fo the time. A shooter with a good release will victimize your five hole if they get close enough to you while you're still up in your stance. It's a balance and a guessing game. I feel like Bob walks the line pretty well where that's concerned.

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When did Jeff Reese suddenly become a good goalie coach?

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Bobrovsky reminds me of Jocelyn Thibault when it comes to his stance and his style making him smaller in net

The good thing for Bobrovsky though is he has several inches height over Thibault so it doesn't expose as much of the upper net

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I've been saying this stuff since training camp...Bob has a few fundamental (but correctable) flaws in his stance and in the way he drops. Namely hand positioning, back/shoulder posture, and the depth of his stance. If he alters all this stuff even a bit, he stops getting sniped so easily.

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When did Jeff Reese suddenly become a good goalie coach?
If you talk to the people in Tampa they would tell you that while he was Khabibulin's backup he worked with him a lot in practice, almost in a player/coach role. His work with Michael Leighton cannot be overlooked either. Feaster would take him in Calgary if he had the chance.

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When did Jeff Reese suddenly become a good goalie coach?
When an AHL goaltender caught fire for 3 weeks. I agree, people are overrating Reese a bit I think...

People are citing Leighton as proof. Leighton was an AHL goalie when he started with Reese, he'll be an AHL goalie when leaves Reese...


On Bob. Identifying flaws in his game is the easy part. Getting him to change is harder. They are called habits for a reason. If a player plays the same way his whole life, its not exactly easy to get him to change, even if he wants too.

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When an AHL goaltender caught fire for 3 weeks. I agree, people are overrating Reese a bit I think...

People are citing Leighton as proof. Leighton was an AHL goalie when he started with Reese, he'll be an AHL goalie when leaves Reese...


On Bob. Identifying flaws in his game is the easy part. Getting him to change is harder. They are called habits for a reason. If a player plays the same way his whole life, its not exactly easy to get him to change, even if he wants too.
It just takes time...Bob's issues are mechanical. It's stuff that you can get him to work on, but yes, it takes time to break bad habits. Probably another season or two. The kid seems to have the right attitude about improving, so it should be possible to accomplish, it'll just take time...barring some mental collapse or this team giving up on him, or something.

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