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05-17-2011, 03:55 PM
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tom gilbert and maybe sheldon souray to Boston

i want my PP to have better options in Boston next year... and I like the idea of Gilbert paired with Chara for starters as a top 4 dman. I think Gilbert benefits from a change of scenery and getting paired with the top defensive dman in the NHL.

Souray i want only if he is agreeable to a million per year contract and a buyout. Boston would do the buyout after the trade if thats legal... otherwise Edmonton has to and then I guess Boston would toss something into the deal.

I dont want Souray at all if he's going to be a bigger cap hit then whatever the buyout is plus a mill for his new contract.

From Boston... I want my rebuilt defense next year to have
Gilbert/Chara
Wisnewiski/Seidenberg
McQuaid/Souray
Kamfer

so i got no room for Ference/Boychuck and their 4 mill cap hit between them. Both are alberta boys and Ference oozes leadership qualities. Boychuck is on the edge of being a very good 20+ min per night top 4 guy with some physical skills.

I think both would suit Edmonton more then Gilbert/Souray would

so my basic proposal is Ference/Boychuck for Gilbert... and I agree to take Souray too if he will be reasonable.

Fair offer to Oil fans? want more? counter proposal?
even if Boston wins a cup... I want to upgrade the mobility/offense of our blueline. and our PP is in desperate need for some new options. Getting Souray to shoot would let Chara be moved up front and I think that alone has the potential to fix most of our probles.

So I would really like Souray if he wants a chance to salvage his reputation with a couple years at the end of his career on a cup contender

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Gilbert with Chara and Gilbert is back to where he was a couple years ago.

I do him for Boychuck in a heartbeat.

It's highly doubtful BOS takes both Gilbert and Souray. I also wonder if they let Kaberle go, sure he has sucked but they gave a lot up for him.

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Also you guys have too many centers. You could throw in Peverley.

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Also you guys have too many centers. You could throw in Peverley.
That's what I was going to say lol. If you work Peverley into it it's probably done in a heartbeat

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sorry--but Souray IS DOA

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You'll need to give a lot more to get souray. Start with seguin or tambo laughs and hangs up.

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You'll need to give a lot more to get souray. Start with seguin or tambo laughs and hangs up.
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Souray for Chara, Souray will give your power play a big boost and give your team some more Canadian content. No need for these sissy Europeans, like Chara.

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if you're taking Gilbert and Souray I don't even care what we get back. Boychuk alone would be enough for me

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OP - if you scenario comes true, Bos could buyout Souray, as Phoenix did last year after the Vandemeer-osullivan trade, Phoenix bought out OSullivan

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I'll even throw in Kurtis Foster to get the deal done.

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OP - if you scenario comes true, Bos could buyout Souray, as Phoenix did last year after the Vandemeer-osullivan trade, Phoenix bought out OSullivan
I dunno if you can resign a free agent you just bought out though. If you could, every rich team would buy out every single player they owned to resign them again. Think about it, the team would save cap, AND the player gets a raise. Everyone wins...

For example, say the Penguins bought out Sidney Crosby, the cap hit would be as follows:

2012: 1.075 Million
2013: 2.757 Million
2014: 1.375 Million
2015: 1.375 Million

The penguins would save a solid 8+ million in cap each year, enough to both give Crosby a solid 20-50% raise (as they would have to pay him his remaining contract) and grab another great player to their roster. And that is just one guy, imagine if they bought out the whole team? Holy competitive advantage batman. Would totally negate the point of the last CBA, and would in my opinion be negated by the league even if it were technically legal now.

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I'll even throw in Kurtis Foster to get the deal done.
Cogs has worked on his faceoffs in the offseason...toss his ass in as well.

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I dunno if you can resign a free agent you just bought out though. If you could, every rich team would buy out every single player they owned to resign them again. Think about it, the team would save cap, AND the player gets a raise. Everyone wins...

For example, say the Penguins bought out Sidney Crosby, the cap hit would be as follows:

2012: 1.075 Million
2013: 2.757 Million
2014: 1.375 Million
2015: 1.375 Million

The penguins would save a solid 8+ million in cap each year, enough to both give Crosby a solid 20-50% raise (as they would have to pay him his remaining contract) and grab another great player to their roster. And that is just one guy, imagine if they bought out the whole team? Holy competitive advantage batman. Would totally negate the point of the last CBA, and would in my opinion be negated by the league even if it were technically legal now.
Now they just need to find a way to sneak Crosby through waivers!

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Now they just need to find a way to sneak Crosby through waivers!
lol, this is a good point. But why then havn't guys like Drury been bought out? No one would take that contract...

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I dunno if you can resign a free agent you just bought out though. If you could, every rich team would buy out every single player they owned to resign them again. Think about it, the team would save cap, AND the player gets a raise. Everyone wins...

For example, say the Penguins bought out Sidney Crosby, the cap hit would be as follows:

2012: 1.075 Million
2013: 2.757 Million
2014: 1.375 Million
2015: 1.375 Million

The penguins would save a solid 8+ million in cap each year, enough to both give Crosby a solid 20-50% raise (as they would have to pay him his remaining contract) and grab another great player to their roster. And that is just one guy, imagine if they bought out the whole team? Holy competitive advantage batman. Would totally negate the point of the last CBA, and would in my opinion be negated by the league even if it were technically legal now.
Can't re-sign a player you bought out.

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I guess this is a good deal if you think the Oilers D isn't terrible enough.

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HAhahah

did anyone else laugh at the title of this thread?

I sure did.
twice.

Edit: after reading the proposal, I stopped laughing. Its really bad.

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HAhahah

did anyone else laugh at the title of this thread?

I sure did.
twice.

Edit: after reading the proposal, I stopped laughing. Its really bad.
Did you realize the OP is a Boston fan?

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Did you realize the OP is a Boston fan?
and?
doesn't make my laughing of someone wanting gilbert and souray any less warranted.

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I amused the OP is a BB fan--I think he has not been reading or paying attention to all the reports on Souray

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i want my PP to have better options in Boston next year... and I like the idea of Gilbert paired with Chara for starters as a top 4 dman. I think Gilbert benefits from a change of scenery and getting paired with the top defensive dman in the NHL.

Souray i want only if he is agreeable to a million per year contract and a buyout. Boston would do the buyout after the trade if thats legal... otherwise Edmonton has to and then I guess Boston would toss something into the deal.

I dont want Souray at all if he's going to be a bigger cap hit then whatever the buyout is plus a mill for his new contract.

From Boston... I want my rebuilt defense next year to have
Gilbert/Chara
Wisnewiski/Seidenberg
McQuaid/Souray
Kamfer

so i got no room for Ference/Boychuck and their 4 mill cap hit between them. Both are alberta boys and Ference oozes leadership qualities. Boychuck is on the edge of being a very good 20+ min per night top 4 guy with some physical skills.

I think both would suit Edmonton more then Gilbert/Souray would

so my basic proposal is Ference/Boychuck for Gilbert... and I agree to take Souray too if he will be reasonable.

Fair offer to Oil fans? want more? counter proposal?
even if Boston wins a cup... I want to upgrade the mobility/offense of our blueline. and our PP is in desperate need for some new options. Getting Souray to shoot would let Chara be moved up front and I think that alone has the potential to fix most of our probles.

So I would really like Souray if he wants a chance to salvage his reputation with a couple years at the end of his career on a cup contender
For the right trade, Souray's just a throw-in if you want him. We don't even ask for anything back, it's that messed up of a situation.

So instead, I think fair value would be to look at Boychuk, Ference, and one of Rich Peverley/Greg Campbell (we desperately need bonafide bottom 6 NHL-CALIBRE players who can play defensive hockey, the PK, and chip in from time to time on offense-- and we need another guy who can win a damn Faceoff) FOR Gilbert, Foster, Cogliano and a 3rd/middle range prospect (not for Campbell, but certainly for Peverley).

Breaking it down:
Gilbert > Boychuk
Foster < Ference
Peverley/Campbell vs. Cogliano -- I think Pev and Campbell are better players NOW, but they're older than Cogliano, and I think Cogliano have the higher potential upside.

Cogliano's shown he can be a 20 goal man, has become a solid PKer, but can't win faceoffs, so he's more of a winger. We need a centre. Bruins have an abundance of centres, but could use another winger on the PK as well as some more (comparatively cheap) secondary scoring from the wings.

3rd/middle range prospect is to make up for the relatively small discrepancy between the ability of Ference and Pev/Campbell over Foster and Cogliano.

I think both teams improve with this according to their needs, but curious to what others think:

Oilers take a step back in d-ability by downgrading from Gilbert to Boychuk, but Gilbert's become a popular whipping boy in town (for what, I can't say-- his numbers show that he's a pretty solid 2/3 d-man in comparison to other 2/3 d-men around the league).

Boychuk's a bit younger, more physical, and has the ability to get to Gilbert's level (though I doubt surpass it).

Oilers upgrade from Foster to Ference, and gain some leadership and certainly more grit. Ference is a bottom pairing d-man, but is better than Vandermeer at that, and likely would play an enhanced no. 4 d-man role on the Oilers next year.

For Boston, as the OP stated, they need help on their PP. Well Foster showed that with skilled players in TBay last year, he could be a very effective PP d-man. Other than that, if healthy, I think he's a stable bottom pairing d-man, much like how Ference was used for Boston, though not as physical.

Finally, Campbell for Cogliano is pretty lateral. It's an older, more physical bottom-6 grinder who can win faceoffs for a younger, faster sparkplug of a bottom-6er who's a good PKer and has more offensive upside.

If it's for Peverley, well Peverley's better, but that's when the Oil can start adding picks and prospects to sweeten the deal for Boston.

Coming out of that trade:

Hall Horcoff Hemsky
Omark Gagner Eberle
Paajarvi Campbell Jones
Hartikainen Fraser Brule

Whitney-Boychuk
Petry-Ference
Smid-Peckham

It would be nice to upgrade one more bottom-6 player, pick up another good two-way forward, and sign another top 4 d-man, but with that trade alone, a number of needs are met by the Oilers.

Curious if it would meet Bruins needs or expectations, and if not, what would be missing?

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can we some how throw Horcoffs contract on the pile too?

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Should have given us the package you gave up for Kaberle when you had the chance. Gilbert is younger and is a far better contract situation. I'm not even joking. The players and picks given up for Kaberle might turn out to be 'not much' in the long run but Boston still got burned on that one.

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i know oiler fans hate souray now... but lets use our imagination a bit.

souray got hurt... and said oiler management sucked... most of oiler management that he complained about has been fired since then. the rest of it has led the team to two consequitive 30th place finishes. maybe oiler management did suck?

once upon a time ted nolan ran afoul of muckler in buffalo... even his reputation as being one of the top coaches in the game didnt save him from the blackball list after that.

souray got a ginormous contract to come to edmonton in the first place... like a couple mill more then he is worth really. hes one hell of a pp expert, but not many people want him out there 20+ mins in normal game action... and for more then 3 mill you got to be a top 4 guy logging 20+ mins

so suddenly souray has burnt bridges in edmonton... been injured... and is being paid way too much... does it surprise us he cant be traded? or clears waivers?

souray was a good guy until this happened... he was always well respected in locker rooms. there was alot of talk about naming him edmonton captain just a couple years ago when he was healthy and scoring 20+ goals.

im not suggesting id want him as more then a PP specialist and 10-12 min per night 3rd pairing thug. but he is still big and nasty... he still has one hell of a talent for scoring on the pp.

he was disillusioned how last year went... got hurt in the minors... i dont judge him on whatever he did down there. I judge him what he did in his last 160 nhl games he played.

now.. buyout is tricky... cause even with a 600k salary his first year buyout is 2.4 which makes his overall cap hit 3 mill if the same team bought him out and resigned him. people are telling me thats against the rules...

so now my origional proposal makes no sense.

edmonton will buy him out anyhow... so forget i mentioned anything... but my origional plan was to use the souray move as part of a sweetner to edmonton to agree to my deal

id still do ference and boychuck for gilbert... and if edmonton fans want peverly then i could definitely consider taking brule back

brule and lucic are good friends... doesnt hurt to keep the superstar happy by surrounding him with his good friends. and if brule stays healthy, then i like his grit and grime on my third line more then peverlys flash and dash

i think gilbert getting a fresh start... a chance to play in boston's structure system... and a chance to have chara covering up his mistakes is all a forumla for success. gilbert has the raw tools to give us a big time boost for our puck moving and pp. he just needs to get his confidence back.

i actually feel positive about the feedback here... seems most oiler fans that take the time to respond would like boychuck for gilbert.

i dont need souray to make this work for my plans... i could also see us going after anton babchuck from ufa to accomplish the same thing... or bryan mccabe...

i like souray more... but if edmonton buys him out then he can go anywhere he wants. no guarantee hed choose us unless we had leverage like we were the ones buying him out

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