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05-18-2011, 08:37 AM
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On a team with serious gaps at the top of their line up, a log jam at the bottom, and considerable cap issues, finding and subsequently over paying for a UFA to round out the 4th line would be amazingly stupid
Precisely.

And please excuse the incredibly ill-timed description, but enforcers are a dying breed.

I enjoy a hard-nosed player like Brandon Prust dropping the gloves in the heat of a battle rather than the pathetically staged antics of 2 slugs who belong in the ECHL.

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05-18-2011, 08:51 AM
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Precisely.

And please excuse the incredibly ill-timed description, but enforcers are a dying breed.

I enjoy a hard-nosed player like Brandon Prust dropping the gloves in the heat of a battle rather than the pathetically staged antics of 2 slugs who belong in the ECHL.
Probably true.
Konopka will come quite cheap though, probably slightly under 1 million. Good FO guy, seriously unafraid...
Avery - Konopka - Prust would be a nightmare get-in-your-face 4th line for anyone to face
They would drive people nutz and still are able to play hockey.

Slot Boyle on the 3rd line Left wing instead:

Boyle - Stepan - MZA/ev trade or UFA ?? (Jagr ?)/ Thomas (future)

Then we "only" have would the problem of filling out the 1st line (PACK line resigns).

LW 1st line alternatives here include - Prospal (will he get contract?), Immonen (long shot), UFA (maybe Brunette as a stopgap?), Wolski (likely gone), Kreider (a year or two early?)....whatever...
This is of course under the assumption that Richards and Gaborik are C + RW there on our 1st unit. OTH - Maybe neither of them are on the team next year.
Maybe Sather instead surprises 90% of the board here (and Eklund too) and trades Gaborik to LA and uses his assets to get Statsny + another RWer? And Richards winds up somewhere else - Toronto? - to a crazy contract? And Drury stays put and plays out his last year here eliminating cap hit carryover next year when they go all in instead? (Please no more Drury - but I would NOT exclude this happening!)
Time will tell...
Speculation, speculation, speculation

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05-18-2011, 09:02 AM
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I would be cool with signing Konopka, as long as the price is $1M or less.

His faceoff ability alone would be worth it. Add to that he's defensively responsible, hard-nosed, and can throw down, and I certainly think it's worth a shot. It's not an acquisition that's going to hurt us even if it doesn't work out, as long as the contract length and payout are reasonable.

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05-18-2011, 09:21 AM
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i think the rangers have enough 3rd and 4th line guys. leave things alone, is what i'd do. unless a big scorer were available.

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05-18-2011, 09:42 AM
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Don't want any more fourth liners. If we need a fighter, can always call up Soryal. What cap we have after the non-Gilroy RFAs (1.75m is just too much for Gilroy) needs to go towards primary scoring and a defenseman of some kind (preferably scoring although another shut down D could do provided we land B. Richards).
Soryal ?????? your kidding right? The guy makes Orr look like a figure skater. Come on guys stop with the we don't need toughness crap look around the league every team has goons.

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05-18-2011, 09:45 AM
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This thread makes me laugh. The last thing we need worry about is 4th line players. We already have 15,000 players who should be on the bottom two lines. BTW- isn't Boyle, Prust, and Avery going to be our 4th line?

Anyway... I can wrap my head around getting ONE guy to take some of the tough guy role away from Prust. Just make sure the guy can play and skate well or it will be a waste of a signing. If not, you might as well put wood glue on his ass and stick him to the bench with Torts being the coach. Stay away form the enforcers and goons. They have no place in today's NHL.

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It's inevitable that we'll sign an enforcer. While I think with the way hockey is going, fighting will be phased out, I don't think it'll be any time soon.

In the mean time, at least get a guy who is useful beyond dropping the mitts. I could get behind Konopka on the right deal, but I wouldn't go out of my way to do it.

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None of them are ready..We are talking 1 or 2 year stop gaps here for min salary..It will get done then the young monsters we drafted will fill this void.



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Our entire 2010 draft was supposed to address team toughness. We shouldn't have to sign any goons or 4th liners.

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05-18-2011, 10:04 AM
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I'll vote we already have enough 4th liners and young players in the system so go BIG or go home.

Richards is the man they are going for and if that fails they are going to make a bold trade. So I hope they get him so they can keep the young nucleus.

After that we already have 3rd/4th liners

I know they did great this year but honestly Boyle, Prust should stay in the 4thline/PK rolie with some extra time if they deserve it which they likely will. I am ok with Fedotenko coming back but I am also totally fine with him walking. Avery still has a year on his deal.

I think getting a guy like Immonen would make sene for a bottom 6 role as well

Again my perfect world is sign Richards, buy out Drury, keep Wolski and Avery for one more year and fill other spots with kids. Trade Christensen for a late pick.

C- Richards, Anisimov, Stepan, Immonen
RW- Gaborik, Callahan, Zuccarello, Prust
LW- Dubinsky, Wolski, Boyle, Avery
kids pushing and seeing time at some point Grachev, Hagelin, Weise

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As someone mentioned earlier in the thread, Sather has failed miserably when it comes to signing an enforcer in free agency. To be fair, it's not just him... the Orr and Shelley contracts that Toronto and Philly handed out are bad as well. The thing is, pure enforcers that do little more than fight are overvalued as free agents. It's not a wise investment to have $1 million invested in a player who will only play around 5 minutes a game for around 50 games a year. Heavyweights should really be brought up through the system on the cheap, otherwise resources shouldn't be wasted in acquiring one.

Players like Konopka are OK because at least they contribute something more than just fighting. But I know that Cam Janssen, Steve MacIntyre, and Eric Godard are hitting free agency this summer, and these are the type of players that Sather must avoid signing.

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05-18-2011, 10:25 AM
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Besides Shawn Thornton,how many "enforcers" are still playing?

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05-18-2011, 10:28 AM
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If the Rangers can find another player such as Prust who can play the game,do it. Not a cement head who is one step away from ultimate fighting.

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05-18-2011, 10:42 AM
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If the Rangers can find another player such as Prust who can play the game,do it. Not a cement head who is one step away from ultimate fighting.
Hopefully this is what we have in Jason Wilson.

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05-18-2011, 10:50 AM
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there's no way the Islanders let Zenon Konopka leave

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05-18-2011, 10:51 AM
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Wouldn't object to Konopka or Boulton, but why?

Dubi-Richards-Gaborik
Prospal-Anisimov-Callahan
Hagelin-Stepan-MZA
Fedotenko-Boyle-Prust

That's the lineup that makes the most sense to me, and I'm good with that 4th line.
well someone could be traded and then you need to backfill the position...

but most likely scenario would be, due to our lack of depth on wing, if you believe that boyle's season last year wasn't a fluke and that he can't be put back on a seldom used 4th line, you could move boyle to LW. a checking line of boyle-anisimov-callahan could potentially be a really good 2-way line...and then you would have an opening on 4th line center.

scenario is unlikely though...after other issues are taken care of, i doubt we have cap space left to spend on 4th liners. if boyle isn't center the 4th line you are probably looking at newbury or someone like that.

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it doesn't sound likely that lindberg will be over this year, but i do like the idea of a faceoff specialist on the 4th line that can win big draws...

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Hedberg said Lindberg will spend 11-12 in Sweden. The Rangers could sign him after 11-12.

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just curious why nobody has EC in the line-up... i think hes great to have on the fourth line. He has spurts where he reminds everyone why hes in the NHL with that filthy wrist shot... and if someone goes down on the top line, hes a viable option to fill in on that position... plus he makes many goalies look like clowns in the shootout

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just curious why nobody has EC in the line-up... i think hes great to have on the fourth line. He has spurts where he reminds everyone why hes in the NHL with that filthy wrist shot... and if someone goes down on the top line, hes a viable option to fill in on that position... plus he makes many goalies look like clowns in the shootout
Disappears for too often and he thrives when he's playing with skill players which is on the top two lines where he doesn't belong. We can't have E.C. playing on the top two lines again this year. I really don't like his game but I wouldn't mind keeping him on as a scratch or something but if he's playing 4th line, he's basically useless outside of the shootout.

I wouldn't mind Konopka for all the reasons people mentioned but 4th line players is the last thing this team should be worried about right now.

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05-18-2011, 01:05 PM
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I don't think we need a forward. I wouldn't be opposed to signing a 6-7 type defenseman.

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I see people mentioning Soryal and DiDiomete. So, there's a reason that neither have seen even one NHL game despite spending three and four years in our system, respectively...and it's that they're not good. Not even fourth line NHL caliber.

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I see people mentioning Soryal and DiDiomete. So, there's a reason that neither have seen even one NHL game despite spending three and four years in our system, respectively...and it's that they're not good. Not even fourth line NHL caliber.
Ding Ding Ding we have a winner someone who watches and understands hockey, Didi is small and really out of control player and Soryal is a so so fighter that can't skate and had his face shattered by Boulrece sp? and not been the same since. Rangers need toughness I love Prust but he is a lightweight with no punching power he needs help in the east.

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Exactly the case I've been making for Sean O'Donnell for two years. However he takes fewer penalties than Erskine and is better against top line guys. He's old, but he seems to be content playing on one year deals. Cap hit would be similar to Erskine but O'Donnell is (to me at least) the superior player. He doesn't fight often but when he does, he usually lays it down.
Erskine is more vicious though. I really want a crease-clearer. You know why the Canucks lead the NHL in GAA? Because Kevin Bieksa doesn''t let one damn soul come with 10 feet of Luongo. That's what we don't have. Too much action in front of the King.

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Why are we looking at 4th liners anyways? We have an abundance of bottom 6 forwards on our team and in the system.

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Why are we looking at 4th liners anyways? We have an abundance of bottom 6 forwards on our team and in the system.
I think it's less "4th liners" and more team toughness

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