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05-16-2011, 12:31 AM
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True. The obvious preference is to get a play maker to feed Vanek. And to be honest, Carter isn't that guy. But, pair him with a playmaking winger like Ennis and a bigger body like Stafford or Kassian, I think you would see alot of goal scoring. Roy and Vanek isn't a bad combo. Vanek definitely makes Roy a better player IMHO since he draws the defense to him.
I don't think Ennis is a playmaking winger. Most of his effort goes into maneuvering to get off his own shot rather than set up his teammates. That's the main reason why Ennis can't make it as a center. He ranked 2nd on the Sabres in shots per minute played after Vanek. I'd love to have Carter, but I think he belongs on the wing.

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Trading Miller should be a very low priority for the several reasons, but it should be a possibility depending on who we get back (i.e. someone better than Carter)
What would you think of trading Miller for Briere?

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05-16-2011, 10:10 AM
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What would you think of trading Miller for Briere?
I don't think he's the sort of player that currently warrants giving up Miller, nor is he a player that could justify it in his development.

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As much as I would love to have Miller on the Flyers a Miller/Carter trade package would make zero sense for you guys. You guys could do a lot better then Carter if you moved Miller.

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As much as I would love to have Miller on the Flyers a Miller/Carter trade package would make zero sense for you guys. You guys could do a lot better then Carter if you moved Miller.
Yep. We could do a lot better than Briere too.

If the Sabres were to ever trade Miller (which they won't), they should be getting a 1C with 90+ point potential who's 26 or younger coming back. And there really aren't a whole lot of those guys floating around - but then, there aren't a whole lot of Ryan Millers floating around out there either.

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05-16-2011, 01:06 PM
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What would you think of trading Miller for Briere?
That's akin to robbing Peter to pay Paul...

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05-16-2011, 01:18 PM
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Giroux and Van Riemsdyk for Miller

They would still have PLENTLY of scoring power

Richards
Briere
Hartnall
Carter
Leino
Versteeg

I think our goaltending would dropoff MORE than their scoring ability. But, no guts no glory ... or whatever

The "talent swap" is closer than the Briere for Miller abomination.

If Miller is a top 10 goalie (i think he is) then 1 top 10 or 2 top 20 needs to come back

Is Giroux a top 10 forward?
Is Van Riemsdyk a top 10 forward?
Or top 20?

Just my O.

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05-16-2011, 01:21 PM
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^That's not going to happen...

I would be very happy with just Giroux for Miller, but that probably won't happen either.

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05-16-2011, 01:22 PM
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^That's not going to happen...

I would be very happy with just Giroux for Miller, but that probably won't happen either.

no kidding it's not going to happen, neither are 100% of these proposals in this thread

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05-16-2011, 01:23 PM
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Maybe.

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05-16-2011, 03:05 PM
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Briere is such a beast in the playoffs, I don't think I would want him back at the expense of Miller tho ..

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05-19-2011, 12:01 PM
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CSNPHILLY.COM: Tim Panaccio recently recapped the Philadelphia Flyers forwards performances this season, suggesting Jeff Carter is the most likely to be dealt to address their goaltending issues, while Scott Hartnell could also be a trade candidate. If UFA Ville Leino seeks more than $3.2 million per season the Flyers probably won’t re-sign him. RFA Dan Carcillo might not get a new contract, or one that he’d like. Ian Laperriere will likely never play again due to post-concussion symptoms, and Nikolay Zherdev won’t be re-signed.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Carter’s name has been in the rumor mill for several years now yet the Flyers have retained him. Sure, it’s possible they could shop him this summer, but that expensive 11-year contract (with trade clauses that kick in after next season) could also keep him tethered to the Flyers. Hartnell might be a more viable trade candidate, although it’s not the first time his name has popped up in the mill without anything happening. Leino might be willing to re-sign for under $3 million per.
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05-19-2011, 12:08 PM
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Giroux and Van Riemsdyk for Miller

They would still have PLENTLY of scoring power

Richards
Briere
Hartnall
Carter
Leino
Versteeg

I think our goaltending would dropoff MORE than their scoring ability. But, no guts no glory ... or whatever

The "talent swap" is closer than the Briere for Miller abomination.

If Miller is a top 10 goalie (i think he is) then 1 top 10 or 2 top 20 needs to come back

Is Giroux a top 10 forward?
Is Van Riemsdyk a top 10 forward?
Or top 20?


Just my O.
Are you saying you think Giroux and JVR are top 10 or top 20 forwards in the entire NHL?


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05-19-2011, 02:31 PM
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Are you saying you think Giroux and JVR are top 10 or top 20 forwards in the entire NHL?
I was asking. I wasn't implying a position. If I had to be pinned down and give a number... I guess both are top 20-25 in the NHL. Miller I think is top 10.

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05-19-2011, 02:45 PM
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I was asking. I wasn't implying a position. If I had to be pinned down and give a number... I guess both are top 20-25 in the NHL. Miller I think is top 10.
Crosby
Malkin
Ovechkin
Stamkos
St. Louis
E. Staal
Parise
D. Sedin
H. Sedin
Datsyuk
Zetterberg
Iginla
B. Richards
Toews
Kopitar
Getzlaf
Perry

Those are the players I think are definitely better than Giroux. That's 17.

Realistically there are quite a few players who are on par with him. I'd rank him around 20-40.

Van Riemsdyk is nowhere close to being a top 20 forward. All he's shown so far are two great playoffs series. He needs to repeat that next season to be considered "elite" and not just a hot streak.

Now, if you ask about trade value, that's a different question.

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05-19-2011, 04:02 PM
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In response to the Miller for Giroux & JVR.....

Giroux is 23 and JVR is 22

I would do that deal in a second!!!!!!!

Are you kidding me?!?!?!?! We could have a core of guys of 25 and under that includes:

Ennis 21
Myers 21
Gerbe 23
MAG 24
Sekera 24
Stafford 25
Weber 23

and the old core of:

Vanek 27
Roy 28
Pomms 28

For our yes, in his prime and one of the best 30 year old Miller.....

Holy crap we would have a team for the next 6 years with that core!!!!

The only way Philly does that is because they are a win-at-all cost now mode.
I'd never do a deal for Briere and yes, just becauseof his age....build a contender, not for one year but for several.

My god, Giroux and JVR for Miller would be a dream come true and gives us great pieces to get another goalie, upgrade a top 2 defensman, etc. Do that deal before July 1st, trade for Richards' rights the next day and spoon feed him the Sabres will be top 4 team in the NHL for the next 5 years; you want to center the first line with Vanek as your wing???????"

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05-20-2011, 12:02 PM
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Delawareonline.com's Chuck Gormley noted those rumors as well and claimed to have heard “whispers” of interest in Buffalo's Ryan Miller, New Jersey's Martin Brodeur and the Rangers' Henrik Lundqvist.

Gormley suggested the only way to pry Miller, Brodeur or Lundqvist from their respective clubs, which are division rivals of the Flyers, would be through a three-way trade. Considering this, Gormley concluded Kiprusoff and Backstrom would be the most logical options.

Of the pair, Gormley feels Backstrom would be the most likely acquisition for Philadelphia, as the Wild are starving for offense. To clear the cap space for Backstrom’s $6 million per season salary Gormley suggested either offering up Carter or a package involving Kris Versteeg and defenseman Matt Carle to address the Wild's needs.

Pursuing free agents Bryzgalov or Vokoun would be expensive, but doable for the Flyers as they could shed salary through other avenues such as trades, demotions of buyouts.

Trading for Miller, Brodeur, Lundqvist or Kiprusoff, however, is pure fantasy, as is the suggestion of prying Backstrom from the Wild. Yes, the Wild need more offense, but they won't part with their top goaltender, especially when they don't have a suitable replacement for him; they’d just be trading one problem for another.
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