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05-21-2011, 03:02 PM
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Also Nail Yakupov (2012) is supposedly going to be the best Russian drafted since Ovechkin, the kid absolutely tore up the OHL as a 16/17 year old
Alot of guys in 2012 are supposed to be good. Frk is another. Of course, Nail did much better and is currently projected as the clear number 1 favorite but Frk is supposed to go top 3 and has a great scoring touch, good speed and plays very rough. He does play on the edge sometimes and takes very stupid penalties, though. Luca Ciampini is supposed to go around 10th and he didn't do great this year but was on the 4th line with very little ice time. He should be another good one. Those 2 are the ones I know most about as they play for Halifax.

2012 is being compared to 2003.

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05-21-2011, 03:14 PM
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2012 is being compared to 2003.
Quick knee cap hank and someone go after gab...ah well screw it Gab will get hurt anyway.

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05-21-2011, 03:25 PM
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I see Tavares as "the Next Jason Spezza" but without Alfredsson and Heatley/Hossa to help boost his numbers so much.
He plays nothing like Spezza. Spezza is a playmaking center with more speed. Tavares is a perimeter player more like Gaborik but with less speed.

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He plays nothing like Spezza. Spezza is a playmaking center with more speed. Tavares is a perimeter player more like Gaborik but with less speed.
For some reason when I see Tavares I think of Robitaille. Bad skater but knows where to go near the net. Will probably be a consistent 30-40 goal guy.

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05-21-2011, 03:48 PM
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lol a kid from my country left to play at Shattuck St. Mary's, and everyone on the English hockey forum was like "omg Crosby went there he iz goin 2 b awsum" and at 21 years he is now playing in the powerhouse league which is the English 2nd tier
I'm curious, what's his name?

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05-21-2011, 03:58 PM
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2012 is being compared to 2003.
meaning whoever we draft will be a complete bust

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05-21-2011, 05:28 PM
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Tavares will never be elite because he's not a good skater. He's not fast, he's not especially strong. Elite goalscorers can't reach that statistical pinnacle without one of those two skating categories being elite also. He won't become a 40, 50 goalscorer ever. He won't make enough goals on his own.
Mike bossy had neither of your two requisite skating categories and did ok

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05-21-2011, 05:33 PM
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Mike bossy had neither of your two requisite skating categories and did ok
And he retired in the late 80s...

The game is very different today, in fact the rules are even different. The lockout brought about many rule changes.

If anyone actually wants to dispute my theory on Tavares you have to find me a CURRENT player who is an elite goalscorer and ****** skater. But, I can save you some time and tell you that that player doesn't exist.

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05-21-2011, 05:35 PM
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meaning whoever we draft will be a complete bust
I heard of this guy who's supposed to be great in the 2012 draft:

Huge Specimen... it may take him a while to develop, but all power forwards need time.

We may be lucky enough for him to fall into our laps.


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05-21-2011, 05:46 PM
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I only quoted this one because I thought it deserved special attention. John Tavares is no Wayne Gretzky and the comparison is frankly ridiculous and insulting to The Great One.
I'm not comparing Tavares to Gretzky. I'm pointing out how ridiculous it is to judge a current player by weight room tests. Maybe you should have understood that?

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05-21-2011, 07:45 PM
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He had 29 this season. Get him a pass first center and play Tavares on the wing and he'll pot 40. 67 points in 79 games as a 20 year playing with scrubs is pretty darn good.
I agree. Wish there would have been a way for the Rangers to have gotten him but we're never bad enough...

And when we get a high pick it's Pavel Brendl or Jamie Lundmark...

Tavares may not have "all" the physical skills but he has good hockey sense and a good shot. He'll never be a leading scorer of the league 15 years running like a Gretzky, a Lemieux, or even a Crosby, but he's a clear #1 and though he has a different skill set I'd put him in the same class as Vincent Lecavalier when Vinny is healthy (ie 80-90 points).

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05-21-2011, 08:00 PM
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Patrick koys is exactly who I was thinking of! Thank you!
That Slovak birth class is actually a strong one. In addition to Koys who is the highest rated of the bunch, there are three other highly touted forward kids from that year: Martin Reway, Robert Varga and Tomas Torok.

Of course this year's draft also features Tomas Jurco who I still think has Marian Hossa potential (and who I want the Rangers to take in the 1st round if Zibanejad is gone which is looking most likely)...Marek Tvrdon is highly touted also although I'm less sold on him because he is not a good skater.

During my visit to Slovakia a few months back I remember hearing about a kid named Tucinsky? (I don't remember his name exactly) who has supposed to be pretty good, but he's a 96 so he's much harder to project obviously and I don't think eliteprospects has a page for him yet to view stats.

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I heard of this guy who's supposed to be great in the 2012 draft:

Huge Specimen... it may take him a while to develop, but all power forwards need time.

We may be lucky enough for him to fall into our laps.

I see what you did there

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05-21-2011, 08:42 PM
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And he retired in the late 80s...

The game is very different today, in fact the rules are even different. The lockout brought about many rule changes.

If anyone actually wants to dispute my theory on Tavares you have to find me a CURRENT player who is an elite goalscorer and ****** skater. But, I can save you some time and tell you that that player doesn't exist.
Before he got lazy and stopped caring, Dany Heatley comes to mind.

Johnathan Cheechoo is another one, before he suffered those injuries.

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I would give anything to have John Taveres on this team. He would instantly become our best player.

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05-21-2011, 08:52 PM
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I would give anything to have John Taveres on this team. He would instantly become our best player.
Could you imagine Tavares with Stepan?

(or Brad Richards? )

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I'm curious, what's his name?
Tom Duggan, currently plays for Manchester Phoenix

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And he retired in the late 80s...

The game is very different today, in fact the rules are even different. The lockout brought about many rule changes.

If anyone actually wants to dispute my theory on Tavares you have to find me a CURRENT player who is an elite goalscorer and ****** skater. But, I can save you some time and tell you that that player doesn't exist.
Are you a troll?

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I see Tavares as "the Next Jason Spezza" but without Alfredsson and Heatley/Hossa to help boost his numbers so much.
So basically Patrik Elias?

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Tavares will never be elite because he's not a good skater. He's not fast, he's not especially strong. Elite goalscorers can't reach that statistical pinnacle without one of those two skating categories being elite also. He won't become a 40, 50 goalscorer ever. He won't make enough goals on his own.
Couldn't disagree more. I could easily see Tavares scoring 40 in his career with maybe 1 or 2 50 goal seasons, but I think he will definitely be a somewhat consistant 40 goal scorer.

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05-22-2011, 12:47 AM
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I heard of this guy who's supposed to be great in the 2012 draft:

Huge Specimen... it may take him a while to develop, but all power forwards need time.

We may be lucky enough for him to fall into our laps.

Literally made me laugh out loud. I'm surprised only one other person read that.

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Could you imagine Tavares with Stepan?

(or Brad Richards? )
Hah...with Tavares we wouldn't need Richards, but why not?

I'd love to see Tavares with Gaborik as his trigger man. Gabby'd score 40-50 every year, and Tavares would be a 90 point player.

Heck, he's got Matt Moulson scoring 30 a year.

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Hah...with Tavares we wouldn't need Richards, but why not?

I'd love to see Tavares with Gaborik as his trigger man. Gabby'd score 40-50 every year, and Tavares would be a 90 point player.

Heck, he's got Matt Moulson scoring 30 a year.
That's true, but if I had Tavares i'd love to move him onto the wing and let him focus on sniping. His playmaking is good but he's an even better goalscorer.

But leaving him at C is fine. He's gonna be a great player.

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He plays nothing like Spezza. Spezza is a playmaking center with more speed. Tavares is a perimeter player more like Gaborik but with less speed.
all I know is they both score a lot of goals under the hash marks. they both play wing on PP (on their respective sides) allowing them to either go behind the net or screen the goalie and get deflections/rebounds. It's no wonder they score a lot of similar goals. Both know how to use the perimeter but if you think Tavares is strictly a perimeter player, you need to watch him more. Taveres always looks like a left handed version of Spezza to me. There are way more similarities than there are differences.

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So basically Patrik Elias?
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Literally made me laugh out loud. I'm surprised only one other person read that.
I try.

I actually got the name from these baords when someone mentioned it in another thread, so kudos to them.

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