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05-21-2011, 10:31 PM
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Richards vs Jumbo

Hypothetically, if you knew Richards was going to get somewhere near 7mill.....

Would you rather part with a piece or two and get Jumbo via trade or still go after Richards the Free agent?

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Even though Thornton's played better in this years playoffs, I'll take the guy that's won a Conn Smythe, shown he can play under Tortorella, and don't have to give up assets up for.

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Hypothetically, if you knew Richards was going to get somewhere near 7mill.....

Would you rather part with a piece or two and get Jumbo via trade or still go after Richards the Free agent?
Thornton will cost more than a piece or two.

Even though you said hypothetically I wouldn't see SJ trading him. His value is too high right now.

I also want to add that whenever you compare trading for a player vs signing a player outright you almost always choose the free agent because they cost nothing more than money.

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Id take Thornton over Richards any day of the week if they were both free agents. However Richards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thornton - assets required to get him.

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Richards was once packed up and shipped out of Tampa by his owners where he wasn't playing well. Similarly Joe Thorton was packed up and shipped out of Boston where he wasn't producing either. In SJS Thorton has been surrounded by solid talent and they've yet to succeed to their lofty expectations, in fact this year has been the first time to go as far as they have and they almost blew it against Detroit. Meanwhile Richards has a Stanley Cup ring.

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Richards was once packed up and shipped out of Tampa by his owners where he wasn't playing well. Similarly Joe Thorton was packed up and shipped out of Boston where he wasn't producing either. In SJS Thorton has been surrounded by solid talent and they've yet to succeed to their lofty expectations, in fact this year has been the first time to go as far as they have and they almost blew it against Detroit. Meanwhile Richards has a Stanley Cup ring.
Richards wasn't surrounded by talent in Tampa Bay? Lecavalier? St. Louis? Dan Boyle? not to mention the Bulin wall.

Id take Thorntons 1001 points in 995 games to Richards' 716 in 772 games any day of the week thank you very much.

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Thornton feeding Gabby would a dream come true. Not going to happen unfortunately

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Richards was once packed up and shipped out of Tampa by his owners where he wasn't playing well. Similarly Joe Thorton was packed up and shipped out of Boston where he wasn't producing either. In SJS Thorton has been surrounded by solid talent and they've yet to succeed to their lofty expectations, in fact this year has been the first time to go as far as they have and they almost blew it against Detroit. Meanwhile Richards has a Stanley Cup ring.
2004 -- defeated St. Louis, 4-1, Western Conf. quarterfinals
defeated Colorado, 4-2, Western Conf. semifinals
lost to Calgary, 4-2, Western Conf. finals
2010--defeated Colorado 4-2 Western Conf. quarterfinals
defeated Detroit 4-1 Western Conf. semifinals
lost to Chicago 4-0 Western Conf finals


twice before they made it to the WCF's

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Even though Thornton's played better in this years playoffs, I'll take the guy that's won a Conn Smythe, shown he can play under Tortorella, and don't have to give up assets up for.
That guy haven't been able to get into the POs with any of his teams in ages. Thornton at least is able make his team great in the regular season...

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05-22-2011, 01:58 AM
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2004 -- defeated St. Louis, 4-1, Western Conf. quarterfinals
defeated Colorado, 4-2, Western Conf. semifinals
lost to Calgary, 4-2, Western Conf. finals

2010--defeated Colorado 4-2 Western Conf. quarterfinals
defeated Detroit 4-1 Western Conf. semifinals
lost to Chicago 4-0 Western Conf finals


twice before they made it to the WCF's
I fail to see what 2004 has to do with anything considering Thornton was still playing for the Bruins...

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That guy haven't been able to get into the POs with any of his teams in ages. Thornton at least is able make his team great in the regular season...
It's not Richard's fault he can put up 90 points and have the rest of his team be subpar.

Jumbo Joe would be out off the playoffs if it wasn't for Little Joe, Setoguchi, Couture, etc.

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Richards because it is just money no assets involved.

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would love Jumbo but i'll take the free guy.

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What do we actually have to offer San Jose for Thornton though? We wouldn't be able to get him without giving up one or two of Callahan, Dubinsky and Staal

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Richards, for reasons already stated.

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Richards wasn't surrounded by talent in Tampa Bay? Lecavalier? St. Louis? Dan Boyle? not to mention the Bulin wall.

Id take Thorntons 1001 points in 995 games to Richards' 716 in 772 games any day of the week thank you very much.
You play for the results in post season not regular season. Pass on Jumbo. He's a real Dumbo come playoffs. Richards has shown he can play when it matters most. Easy choice.

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Richards.
Richards, why would anyone want the team to have to deal say a 1st, prospect and a guy like Anismov when you could have a guy that has played for Torts and would know what to expect?

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Richards, why would anyone want the team to have to deal say a 1st, prospect and a guy like Anismov when you could have a guy that has played for Torts and would know what to expect?
Even aside that, an argument could be made that Richards is a better fit for this team.

Thornton is probably a better overall center, but Richards adds a PPQB component, which we desperately need, that Thornton does not. When you factor in the cost of acquiring Thornton this should be a no-brainer -- even if Richards cap hit is higher.

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Thorton is almost a year older as well. Of course, his contract only runs for 3 more years, which I'm sure some people like. But if you expect Thorton to live up to that contract, then you should expect Richards to produce to at least the same age, which would give him 4 good years. If we sign him for 6 years and he's a PPG player for the first 4 years, that's a huge win for us.

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Hypothetically, if you knew Richards was going to get somewhere near 7mill.....

Would you rather part with a piece or two and get Jumbo via trade or still go after Richards the Free agent?
Interesting proposal...SJ is in a tough spot cap wise next season...they have 10 UFA/RFA's and have 21.4 committed to the Big 3 of Marleau, Heatley and Thornton and all are signed through 13-14...add in 6 mill for Boyle and 3.6 for Clowe and that's about 50% of their cap in 5 guys. Of the big 3 Thornton has only a NTC clause, the other 2 have NMC's.

Would love to hear what SJ would want to get out from under 1 of those contracts and if any of the 3 would waive to NY

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I really don't see what we have to offer SJ to get him. They're fighting for the Stanley Cup right now and in the off season if we called and offered Staal, Cally, 1st, + I think they still would hang up.

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Richards was once packed up and shipped out of Tampa by his owners where he wasn't playing well. Similarly Joe Thorton was packed up and shipped out of Boston where he wasn't producing either. In SJS Thorton has been surrounded by solid talent and they've yet to succeed to their lofty expectations, in fact this year has been the first time to go as far as they have and they almost blew it against Detroit. Meanwhile Richards has a Stanley Cup ring.
Thornton turned Cheechoo into a 50 goal scorer...now he can't even stay in the NHL with the Sens.

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If they were both UFA you clearly take Thornton, the guy is playing some phenomenal hockey right now and is overall just a better player (no slight to Richards).

But as some have said, since you'd have to give up a pretty package for Joe, you take Richards as UFA.

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Thornton turned Cheechoo into a 50 goal scorer...now he can't even stay in the NHL with the Sens.
I think that was part Thornton/part "first year after the lockout" effect. A lot of players had career years that year because of the new rules,more time and space, and more penalties being called. Cheechoo, Gionta, Blake, Prucha to name a few.

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