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05-23-2011, 06:50 AM
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3/4 line will be fine by me.

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I'd love to see him playing with Boyle and Prust. I know Fedotenko is ideal there, but Avery is under contract already and will be working his butt off this offseason to stay in the line-up next season. He'll have to as there will be a lot of younger players coming for his roster spot. Hagelin, Kreider, Weise, Lindberg?, Thomas, and some people who get tryouts, most likely Feds will be trying to get his spot. Now, I'm not saying that those guys will be playing on the 4th line, but if they perform well in camp, they could get a spot on the team, moving someone else into that role.

Our guaranteed wingers for next season are: Callahan, Gaborik, Dubinsky, Prust, and that about it. Wolski will be bought out IMO. Feds will get another tryout, but not a shoe in. Prospal is the same as Feds. EC is signed and will most likely be a healthy scratch or if he plays well in the pre-season, should get a stint in the line-up. Drury is going to play if he isn't bought out. Then there is Avery. We'll also have to see if they can bring someone in via free agency BESIDES Richards. I doubt they'll have much room in cap to do so if they keep Drury and have Richards. Then there is the whole Wade Redden issue. Then there is the trade magician Glen Sather.

As long as Avery can beat out a kid that we put out there in pre-season, he gets a spot. If not, let the kids play or find someone else who can fill in those spots on the roster.
I thought that I read on here that Lindberg was under contract in Sweden for another year. I could be wrong though.

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Avery's role should be with a different team. The Rangers should buy him out and move on. Torts and Avery are oil and water. Torts says he wants Sean to be Sean but Sean feels Torts won't let Sean be Sean. Not another year of that. A 4th liner with a $2M cap hit? Avery's usefulness as a Ranger is done.

Sean is more concerned with outside activities. His bar. His restaurant. His fashion line. Campaigning for gay marriage. When does hockey become a priority?

http://seanavery.com/uncategorized/lexdray-bags

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I have interests outside of my job, don't you? I don't think it's right to criticize him for his interests outside of the rink. If I did, then my boss could do the same with me checking hockey news/hfboards from work, lol. Just saying that we all have hobbies unrelated to our jobs. Just because his are public knowledge doesn't mean that it affects/distracts him on the ice.

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Thinking that if Sean plays for us next season it's probably his last with us. He has declined a bit and he's not really a middleweight--that's what Prust is which isn't to say that Avery can handle himself in most situations.

Not sure that Hagelin is NHL ready either. I think we're going to have to wait and see what he does in training camp before we just hand him a spot on the roster.

The main thing for me is to cut Drury. If anyone is done--it's him and we can actually do some good things with the money saved from buying him out. Sean's making a lot less means not so much by buying him out. IMO it's probably not worth it.

Wolski--I don't know. He has talent/creativity but he floats too much. I don't think Torts cares for either him or Avery. We can save two thirds of his cap hit.

Here's what I really think. Rangers need to sign Richards and another d-man. Bieksa, Erhoff, Pitkanen are on my short list. Wisniewski, Ian White are worthy of some consideration as well. The Rangers need to sign their RFA's. So there's a calculation that needs to be made to pay for all of that and any extra cap space comes from buying out in this order 1. Drury 2. Wolski and lastly if needed 3. Avery.

As for the poster sending Sean to the AHL--not a good idea--he's still an NHL capable player and I wouldn't want a disgruntled Avery hanging around my prospects.

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I have interests outside of my job, don't you? I don't think it's right to criticize him for his interests outside of the rink. If I did, then my boss could do the same with me checking hockey news/hfboards from work, lol. Just saying that we all have hobbies unrelated to our jobs. Just because his are public knowledge doesn't mean that it affects/distracts him on the ice.
This.

Also, Sean Avery's cap hit isn't going to make or break this team. At $2M he's overpaid, but nothing insane. He's one of the more skilled players in our bottom 6, and can produce if given the chance. At one point last season, he was leading the team in assists, and among the leaders in points. Then, he went cold and Torts slashed his minutes, and never gave him another chance. That's as much to blame for his lack of production as anything. When he was out on the ice, Avery was putting in the effort.

However, Avery really needs to work with the coaches on the whole offsides thing. I've never seen a player so consistently go offsides. Literally half the offensive rushes he was involved in got blown dead because his timing sucks. Most frustrating thing about watching him.

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I disagree with most here. I think he's importnant to this club still. He had an off season, but still managed to play the agitator role that he does. I think he got a little caught up in Life in Manhattan. He's a recognized personality here, so maybe his game suffered a bit from that. However, some else mentioned contract year. I feel Avery is going to bring it in 2011/12. Both on the scorecard and with his agitating style of play.

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Need to give him one more year, imo. He can't be traded, won't be sent down, and the buyout barely saves anything. Put him with Boyle and Prust. He can still be effective. Prone to his bursts of offense as well.

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I don't worry about the whole Torts does'nt like Avery info some of the posters on here talk about.

Avery is a spark that Sometimes is on and sometimes he's not. There is nothing wrong with one more year at 2 million for him to play the 4th line LW and then move up from time to time.

If he does something stupid to hurt the team they can just throw him on waivers and if no one picks him up he's down to Hartford.

I don't think Avery is the "bad guy" he is made out to be. He hangs out with our star G all the time and did they not start a restaurant together?

Just keep Avery on the 3rd/4th line LW and let him go as a UFA next yr. I hate buyouts though and think they should keep Wolski as well. If they trade him fine but not a buy out regardless of how cheap it is

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Fedotenko by miles.

Or a good young prospect like a Hagelin.
I agree Fedotenko deserves a spot but just not sure if that wil lgo down with the cap situatuion. they have to see how much the RFA's and ideally Richards cost first then see what they have left. I would just let Avery take that spot for now and if Hagelin kicks arse in camp them fantastic give the kid a shot

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I have interests outside of my job, don't you? I don't think it's right to criticize him for his interests outside of the rink. If I did, then my boss could do the same with me checking hockey news/hfboards from work, lol. Just saying that we all have hobbies unrelated to our jobs. Just because his are public knowledge doesn't mean that it affects/distracts him on the ice.
Outside interests? Avery should be a hockey player. That should be his #1 priority. When he was a Ranger the first time,Avery had a publicist. Does he still have a publicist because he or she hasn't made any recent statements on Avery's behalf. How many HOCKEY players have publicists? He makes $4M to play hockey. You're happy with his play the last two seasons? Avery is mentioned more in the gossip pages than in the back pages. Avery has played one good game the last two years and that was against the Stars with Turco and Modano. They think Avery is a POS and he feels the same about them. He has done anything else except basically steal money from two teams instead of one team.

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So its basically keep the same team as last season expect sign Richards and take a ridiculous cap hit to buyout Drury. Keep Wolski and Avery. Its going to be another long season of Avery and Wolski alternating between the 4th line and watching the game in a suit. Another wasted year on Broadway.

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Fedetenko >>> Avery

Our biggest bottom 6 priority, in my opinion, is resigning Fedetenko. Forget what to do with Avery right now.

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So its basically keep the same team as last season expect sign Richards and take a ridiculous cap hit to buyout Drury. Keep Wolski and Avery. Its going to be another long season of Avery and Wolski alternating between the 4th line and watching the game in a suit. Another wasted year on Broadway.
I see your point but I guess I am pretty boring cause I think the only real issue is finding that 1st line C/PP QB. Richards fits the bill to me and I like the young core of this team so just run with it. and yes Drury needs to get out of here with that cap hit even if the buyout is high.

I don't see a point moving out Avery and Wolski when they only have one year left and honestly who is going to replace them in the lineup that won't cost the same dollars? To me Avery knows his role and did;nt complain when benched last yr. Wolski has'nt even played a full year and he has just as much talent as any UFA that will overpaid anyways.

When you really break it down the G is fine, the D has its top 4 set and I think most of us agree DZ needs to step back in and produce. After that I guess they could sign a cheap Vet for the 6th spot but that's not a big deal at the right price.

Upfront they have Gaborik, Dubinsky, Callahan, Anisimov, Stepan that I think we can all agree need mintues. So that's 5, Richards is 6, Wolski, Avery stay so that's 8. Then Boyle, Prust is 10. From there I want kids like Hagelin, Zuccarello, Grachev to get into the lineup and that's your team.

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Fedetenko >>> Avery

Our biggest bottom 6 priority, in my opinion, is resigning Fedetenko. Forget what to do with Avery right now.
I think we may be over valuing Fedotenko and assuming he is going to have the same year. I know he understands Torts' system and had a great year but a year ago Pens fans would say he stinks and he didnt get a contract until earning one in camp. I am 50/50. If he stays fine for one more year but if he goes I think they can find a replacement.

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Outside interests? Avery should be a hockey player. That should be his #1 priority. When he was a Ranger the first time,Avery had a publicist. Does he still have a publicist because he or she hasn't made any recent statements on Avery's behalf. How many HOCKEY players have publicists? He makes $4M to play hockey. You're happy with his play the last two seasons? Avery is mentioned more in the gossip pages than in the back pages. Avery has played one good game the last two years and that was against the Stars with Turco and Modano. They think Avery is a POS and he feels the same about them. He has done anything else except basically steal money from two teams instead of one team.
I can understand the thought process that it's a hard thing to build a championship caliber team and that hard decisions usually have to be made for that to happen so that when a player declines it's time to start looking around for a replacement even if that player is popular with the fans (Avery) if not the other players on the team (Drury).

I have a hard time categorizing Avery as stealing money--less hard with Drury. Partially it's because of Avery's contractual history with the team--for what he produced before Dallas came along he was a bit underpaid IMO and he still can produce some numbers now unlike No. 23. The writing is on the wall for Avery though--one of my favorite players but there does come a point where a player is not going to get his game back to where it was before. I think it's what is happening with Avery and it's definitely all up with Drury. Although for the amount of money that can be had from buying him out it's unlikely to make any difference in who we sign or in who makes the team.

As for outside interests--the team itself is always sending this player or that around on some kind of charitable function or another. The whole Casino night extravaganza is certainly not going to put points in the standings. So is it only when these interests can be related back to the team that it's okay? I kind of like that Sean has interests outside the game even if some people might think some of them are 'controversial'.

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Outside interests? Avery should be a hockey player. That should be his #1 priority. When he was a Ranger the first time,Avery had a publicist. Does he still have a publicist because he or she hasn't made any recent statements on Avery's behalf. How many HOCKEY players have publicists? He makes $4M to play hockey. You're happy with his play the last two seasons? Avery is mentioned more in the gossip pages than in the back pages. Avery has played one good game the last two years and that was against the Stars with Turco and Modano. They think Avery is a POS and he feels the same about them. He has done anything else except basically steal money from two teams instead of one team.
I've sporadically liked his play, as equally as I've disliked his play. One could argue that his ice time has been sporadic under Tortorella, which is why he hasn't been as effective since Renney's been gone.

As far as publicists are concerned, I have no idea how many professional hockey players have publicists: do you? My point being, just because it's common knowledge doesn't mean that it impacts what he does on the ice moreso than say Henrik Lundqvist and his outside interests. Did Derek Jeter's off the field relationships with numerous women (according to "Page Six," which you've referenced above) impact his performance on the field? It's a b.s. stance and the fact of the matter is we don't know, nor should we know what these individuals do outside of their job.

Clearly, it's caused biases with you (as well as others) and Avery. If hfboards knew what other players did away from the ice, everyone would jump on players after each bad game or rough patch in a season. I don't care how much they make, I don't eat breathe and sleep my job; I don't expect them to either. I just expect them to be professional when they're at work and do their job to the best of their abilities. Not sure why you expect to hold them to any other standard because they have interests outside of hockey...

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Sean isn't the player he used to be. Whether that's due to off-ice distractions, poor relationship with the coaching staff, or the NHL having a target on his back, it doesn't make much difference. We don't need offense from him. We need him to get under the skin of the other team like he used to.

However, at a nearly $2MM cap hit, I'm not sure he adequately fills a need on this team anymore.

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I think we may be over valuing Fedotenko and assuming he is going to have the same year. I know he understands Torts' system and had a great year but a year ago Pens fans would say he stinks and he didnt get a contract until earning one in camp. I am 50/50. If he stays fine for one more year but if he goes I think they can find a replacement.
Possibly. Then, exactly like you said, he knows Torts' system. The guy was one of our best forwards in our short playoff stint. He's still better than Avery, no doubt, in my opinion.

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i dont see any way we keep wolski but get rid of avery. wolski is dead out there and we pay him more money. at least when avery isnt scoring he is still capable of getting 30 assists and noticable in other areas. he played well in the playoffs, if he plays like that next season we have a good line in prust boyle avery
Are we talking about he same Wolski, who along with MZA & Stepan, carried the offense of this team for a good month when injuries piled up? Was he a ghost at times? Sure, but so were half of the most popular players on this team. The problem with WW is that he doesn't do the other things like (let's say) AA does... so even when AA is virtually invisible on the ice, he can play a great two-way game. I personally think that buying out Wolski is a mistake, because he showed very good offensive ability at times this season. Many NHL players don't play great D and find a way to survive. Wolski hasn't mastered that, but I think that going through Torts boot camp will help him or at least show he isn't up to the task.

I'm not sure it is easy to compare Avery to Wolski. Both are defensive liabilities at times, but Wolski has WAY higher offensive ability and has showed that. I personally think that the only way Avery is on this team next year is if Richards is as well. You just can't be paying a 4th-liner that type of cash. It is the reason why this team has no money to spend on elite talent that can score. Too much money on the bottom 2 lines and 3rd D-pair.

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I think i'd rather keep Avery.

He would be great somewhere in the top 6. He is creative and a good passer and fairly responsible with his defensive play. He is most effective playing against the more skilled guys that aren't used to his style of play. The result is an exchange of penalties (ideally Avery is the less valuable guy) or a fight, or very often the opposition retaliating against him and taking a penalty.

When he plays lower six, he is just another grinder. there are many bottom 6 guys that can fight/hit better than him. This is not an good use of Avery. Avery is able to handle himself well, but he is not a fighter.

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I have no problem keeping Avery for the final year of his contract. It's not a big deal at all. His contract isn't necessarily killing us, unless you want Richards.

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Avery is in a walk year, and IMO he seems like the exact type of guy that will come out and have a great year in order to try and get another payday in the offseason. i think that alone makes him at least deserving of a shot

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One of my favorite rangers, have a nice poster of him right next to lundy and my duby and cally autographs. Easily one of the top 5 most loved rangers in the 2000s, but this will be his last year in blue. Once his contract is up, that is pretty much it, so i hope avery will go out in the blaze of glory while being one of the major contributors to bring a cup back to the garden. Ill always be one of his biggest advocates, whether from the 3rd or 4th line, I hope we see the good avery. Hopefully I'll run into him at warren or tinys too!!

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