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05-23-2011, 02:50 PM
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Nope. We just keep signing free agents who have all the leverage to inflated contracts. Year after year after year. It's what we do.

Sather. Rinse. Repeat.
Okay, I disagree with you on alot of things but that one was clever.

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Nope. We just keep signing free agents who have all the leverage to inflated contracts. Year after year after year. It's what we do.

Sather. Rinse. Repeat.
we've signed one elite player since the lockout.

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Nope. We just keep signing free agents who have all the leverage to inflated contracts. Year after year after year. It's what we do.

Sather. Rinse. Repeat.
or maybe Lord Stanley's ghost will intercede and a 50 goal scorer will come to us as a 5th round draft pick

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So sad that the success of this team moving forward still seems to hinge on the signing of a big name free agent.
We've gone over this before, but again, thats they way it will be since the Rangers organization will not accept tanking.

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we've signed one elite player since the lockout.
but Sather has paid a few guys as if they were elite players since the lockout.

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In no Richards, then you wait until a young elite center becomes available (Stastny, Spezza, Nash, etc.). Get an idea of the cost for that player... if it is reasonable (let's say AA, strong but not elite prospect, 1st), then do it... if not then wait until trade deadline or beyond. Absolutely don't spend money on players who are not elite scorers. One year (bridge the gap) contracts are okay (like Frolov's), but nothing beyond that. Even if that center is not available, always keep an eye out for elite wingers (Semin, let's say) and worry about the center at another time. This team needs players that can put the puck in the net... period. Wasting long-term cap space on any other type of player is just insanity. If the organization wants to win the CUP, this is what they will do.

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So sad that the success of this team moving forward still seems to hinge on the signing of a big name free agent.
Or the long-term development of one of its young players (Stepan).

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05-23-2011, 03:20 PM
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i don't think its sad at all...if we knew what we were doing at the draft table and drafted top end talent and were looking to add a 2nd line free agent to supplement the team no one would think anything off it. so instead we drafted the 2nd liner and try to sign the 1st liner
Getzlaf
Kesler
Richards
Stastny
Zajac

all available when the Rangers went to the podium in years, 2003, 2004 and 2005. There's what's sad...this team is STILL paying for the mistake of Hugh Jessiman.

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05-23-2011, 03:30 PM
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Buy low?

Matthew Lombardi?

Shane Doan?

Andrew Ladd?

Ales Hemsky?

Find a player whose value is lower than it should be and pick him up and see if it works out. The key is to not spend too much.

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05-23-2011, 03:36 PM
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Getzlaf
Kesler
Richards
Stastny
Zajac

all available when the Rangers went to the podium in years, 2003, 2004 and 2005. There's what's sad...this team is STILL paying for the mistake of Hugh Jessiman.
Don't forget Claude Giroux in 2006...that he was the next pick hurts doubly.

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05-23-2011, 03:39 PM
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What do you guys think about signing Teemu Selanne for a one year deal for $3 IF he decides to play?

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Because we only had 1/3 of a top line.

Sucks that we can't draft first line talent but it is what it is.
It's not even like 1st line talent isn't available. I love to play the time machine draft game where I pretend to travel back in time and influence previous drafts. Like in 2004, instead of Montoya, Korpikoski, Olver, Byers, Graham, Dubinsky, we could have had Zajac, Green, Booth, Dubinsky, Goligoski, and Krejci. That's 4 top 6 players and 2 PPBQs. In 2006, one spot after Sanguinetti, a guy named Claude Giroux was drafted. Lee Farladeau over Duncan Keith? It's just a game but the point is it's not like the talent isn't there. We just have to get better at finding it although I bet there isn't an organization that has ever had as successful of a draft as my mock 2004 scenario. That would be insane drafting skills.

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It's not even like 1st line talent isn't available. I love to play the time machine draft game where I pretend to travel back in time and influence previous drafts. Like in 2004, instead of Montoya, Korpikoski, Olver, Byers, Graham, Dubinsky, we could have had Zajac, Green, Booth, Dubinsky, Goligoski, and Krejci. That's 4 top 6 players and 2 PPBQs. In 2006, one spot after Sanguinetti, a guy named Claude Giroux was drafted. Lee Farladeau over Duncan Keith? It's just a game but the point is it's not like the talent isn't there. We just have to get better at finding it although I bet there isn't an organization that has ever had as successful of a draft as my mock 2004 scenario. That would be insane drafting skills.
LOL even with Dubinsky it's probably difficult to find an organizaion that did as poorly as the Rangers did in 2004, considering they had 6 picks in the first two rounds...including #6 overall. That's Sather failure of biblical proportions.

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Derek Roy as plan B.

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What do you guys think about signing Teemu Selanne for a one year deal for $3 IF he decides to play?
id love it but he is staying, no reason for him to move. one player that i wish became a Ranger.

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What do you guys think about signing Teemu Selanne for a one year deal for $3 IF he decides to play?
He wont come here and if he did...he wouldn't produce like he is in Anaheim.

Anaheim is very talented upfront and very weak on the back...that is why I think they would a good trading partner for us.

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Derek Roy as plan B.
like Buffalo would move him



Tim Connolly is an UFA. i can see Sather target him. id give him 2 year deal at most. he is a good player but gets hurt alot...

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LOL even with Dubinsky it's probably difficult to find an organizaion that did as poorly as the Rangers did in 2004, considering they had 6 picks in the first two rounds...including #6 overall. That's Sather failure of biblical proportions.
Well in the mega draft year of 2003, the LA Kings w/ 3 1st rounders ended up with Dustin Brown, Brian Boyle, and Jeff Tambellini when they could have had Getzlaf/Parise/Kelser/Richards, Perry, Eriksson. That would be pretty regrettable outcome, but since they got at least one good player out of the draft, it wasn't a total loss. Albeit, Getzlaf/Parise/Kelser/Richards >>> Brown

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like Buffalo would move him



Tim Connolly is an UFA. i can see Sather target him. id give him 2 year deal at most. he is a good player but gets hurt alot...
Buffalo may move him, he's not a great locker room guy (was a problem in Buffalo with the lack of leadership, NY wouldn't be an issue in my opinion), a good portion of the fans can't stand him, and he's coming off an injury.

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LOL even with Dubinsky it's probably difficult to find an organizaion that did as poorly as the Rangers did in 2004, considering they had 6 picks in the first two rounds...including #6 overall. That's Sather failure of biblical proportions.
Yet the Sather machine keeps rolling along...so sad and pathetic.

You remember when everyone wanted the Rangers to trade the entire team for Dany Heatley, he had 64 points this year and has disappeared when the Sharks need him the most...where are those experts.

Waiting for 2013 is a bad idea because those guys might not be elite but signing Brad Richards to 7.5 million a year for 5-6 years now makes total sense.

There is top level talent in every round, it is difficult to find but not impossible, unless you are the New York Rangers.

The Rangers have drafted one top end talent in the last 15 years....Hank and they got lucky with him. Staal is on his way to becoming a top dman but that is it. That is part of the long list of reasons why we always suck.

look @ the good organizations and u will see NHL players littered all over..that only started happening for us...2008 was the 1st year we started focusing on the Draft...Sather blew the first 5-6 years and people want to say the prospect pool was baron, it was baron because he is a buffoon!

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A trade is really the only "plan B" I could get behind. The FA market is pretty horrendous in terms of centers, and if the right deal comes along, you have to make it.

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LOL even with Dubinsky it's probably difficult to find an organizaion that did as poorly as the Rangers did in 2004, considering they had 6 picks in the first two rounds...including #6 overall. That's Sather failure of biblical proportions.
The Rangers drafted 3 full time NHLers in 2004 with Korpikoski, Dubinsky, and Callahan. Both are top-six forwards and Callahan is likely the future captain as well. Given the mediocrity of the draft as a whole, it's not nearly as bad as you're making it out to be.

Plenty of justification for the Montoya pick at the time, and he's starting to show some of that with the Islanders as well.

Minnesota had a bunch of picks and has very little to show for it. Same goes for Columbus and Atlanta. The draft was "very good" for very few teams. Unfortunately it was a pretty bad year to have so many picks to go along with some pretty shoddy scouting.

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as far as this offseason is concerned, there is no plan B

you go after richards because his abilties align with the team's pressing needs, if he's not available you stay put, and continue to devlope the core even if it means not much progress next season...its better than moving backwards

we've seen how well shoving a square peg in a round hole works (or 2 square pegs for that matter) and its not something we need to relive

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What about possibly taking a run at a player like Kreijci or Bergeron from Boston? With Seguin the up and coming star, they may decide to move one.

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Honestly, a plan B for me would be to go hard after Ehrhoff and sign one of Modano or Handzus to a short term one year deal just to play with Gabby and PP time.

If that doesn't work, trade for a scorer with a team in cap trouble (don't give up too much, a D prospect, 2nd rounder), sign a UFA DMan for the PP, and let it be.

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