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05-23-2011, 03:54 PM
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Avery is serious about his hockey career?



He still has the publicist

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Men’s Health: For starters, tell us a little about the Marc Jacobs skin cancer awareness campaign and how you got involved with it. When and why did they approach you?

Sean Avery: My amazing publicist Nicole Chabot asked me if I would be interested. I had to think about it for a few days to decide if I was OK with being naked. I needed to get a tan first.
http://blogs.menshealth.com/health-h...ked/2011/02/15

My point is do you see other players around the NHL posing nude covering their junk and having a publicist?

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Are we talking about he same Wolski, who along with MZA & Stepan, carried the offense of this team for a good month when injuries piled up? Was he a ghost at times? Sure, but so were half of the most popular players on this team. The problem with WW is that he doesn't do the other things like (let's say) AA does... so even when AA is virtually invisible on the ice, he can play a great two-way game. I personally think that buying out Wolski is a mistake, because he showed very good offensive ability at times this season. Many NHL players don't play great D and find a way to survive. Wolski hasn't mastered that, but I think that going through Torts boot camp will help him or at least show he isn't up to the task.

I'm not sure it is easy to compare Avery to Wolski. Both are defensive liabilities at times, but Wolski has WAY higher offensive ability and has showed that. I personally think that the only way Avery is on this team next year is if Richards is as well. You just can't be paying a 4th-liner that type of cash. It is the reason why this team has no money to spend on elite talent that can score. Too much money on the bottom 2 lines and 3rd D-pair.
wolski's line carried the team for a month? negative, a few games... sure, but a month? was that the month he showed so much offense ability that torts scratched him?

wolski showed what he can do offensively on other teams years ago. if your happy with what you saw from him, you are easily impressed. we would have to rely on him for offense, which just sets us up for failure.

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Avery is serious about his hockey career?



He still has the publicist



http://blogs.menshealth.com/health-h...ked/2011/02/15

My point is do you see other players around the NHL posing nude covering their junk and having a publicist?
so your're upset that avery joined the fight against skin cancer? who cares how he did it, he is allowed to do things that dont involve hockey. this shirt could raise money to fight a disease. good job sean

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Avery was NOT utalized the way he needs to be. It's like asking Gomez to be our sniper and complaining when his 4% shooting percentage isn't cutting it.

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We'd be seriously better off with him off the team.

He could surprise and be effective being that it is a contract year though. Let's see how he looks in camp. Hopefully he doesn't just screw around this off-season and gives a damn. I doubt that is the case though, his head isn't in hockey anymore.

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Avery was NOT utalized the way he needs to be. It's like asking Gomez to be our sniper and complaining when his 4% shooting percentage isn't cutting it.
3 goals on 140 shots, 2% shooting percentage, worst on the team (yes, including all of our defensemen)... At some point it's time to start pointing the finger at the player and not external forces... Guy is a bottom 6 winger on any team with even half way decent depth, what types of positions is he supposed to be put in? Especially considering he can't stay onside, loves to shoot the puck into the goalies glove from the blueline, and as others have pointed out, isn't particularly responsible defensively.

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Are we talking about he same Wolski, who along with MZA & Stepan, carried the offense of this team for a good month when injuries piled up? Was he a ghost at times?
Are we talking about the same Wolski who scored just 1 goal and 7 points over the final 18 games of the season when the team was fighting to make the playoffs?


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I have interests outside of my job, don't you? I don't think it's right to criticize him for his interests outside of the rink. If I did, then my boss could do the same with me checking hockey news/hfboards from work, lol. Just saying that we all have hobbies unrelated to our jobs. Just because his are public knowledge doesn't mean that it affects/distracts him on the ice.
The question is, are you doing a good job at work and taking care of your duties/responsibilities? If you were, then I'm sure your boss could care less what you were doing. If you weren't', then your boss might have reason to question your involvement in "other activities" at work.... Thing is, Avery's game has fallen off the last 2 seasons and has showed no signs of coming back. This has coincided with his involvement in various ventures outside the rink. Whether or not there is a causal relationship there or not is difficult to determine. Avery's hockey career is quickly fading and he's not that old. If he doesn't have a bounce back season this year, I don't envision many teams (if any) being interested in his services when his contract expires.

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Many players golf. They seem to like playing another sport. Guess all those people aren't serious about their hockey careers.

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Sure, we can point to Avery's effectiveness being lower these days.

But to say it's because of what he does off the ice?

I guess if Hank didn't do this he'd be the next Patrick Roy .


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so your're upset that avery joined the fight against skin cancer? who cares how he did it, he is allowed to do things that dont involve hockey. this shirt could raise money to fight a disease. good job sean
Im not upset about that. He could do whatever he wants off the ice as far as Im concerned.

Im upset that he absolutely sucks.

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For 1.9 million dollars, he needs to be MUCH better than he was last year or else he just simply is not worth keeping on the team.

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Opening of Soft Serve Fruit Co. this weekend in the hamptons. Mid june in union square. Check it out www.softservefruitco.com
Well, here you have it. This explains the sophomore slump: Del Zotto isn't committed to hockey because he's promoting the opening of a Soft Serve Ice Cream chain.

Some of you fans make me laugh. The last time I checked, practice hasn't been open to the public, so you have no idea how hard Avery (or anyone else for that matter) works for this team. Granted, the results have not been there, but there are more CONCRETE reasons (Tortorella's short leash, lack of consistent ice time) than promoting his non-hockey interests.

I agree that the on-ice results have been lacking. I'm not defending that. I'm taking an opposing stance to RB and others who are making an issue of his life outside of the rink. It's nobody's business. If he wants to promote gay marriage, I support him; just don't do it during a game. If he wants to intern at Vogue, I think that's cool; just don't blow off practice to do it. If he wants to hold his junk in a photo, please don't do it with Dubinsky while singing the Fresh Prince of Bel Air theme song.

Bottom line, if he doesn't improve his on-ice results, he's not getting re-signed by the Rangers. I think we're all in agreement. Just leave the non-hockey stuff out of the convo. Nobody knows when he's pursuing these interests or if it interferes with his "job" as a forward on the NY Rangers. He hasn't been suspended by the team for not participating in team activities (i.e. practice, training, playing, etc...), so don't invent reasons for his lack of production that aren't occurring on the ice. You sound foolish doing so.

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Im not upset about that. He could do whatever he wants off the ice as far as Im concerned.

Im upset that he absolutely sucks.
But not as much as Drury. But then you like Drury so you want to give him a break. So I think you're very inconsistent on this. It comes down more to your perceptions of them as human beings not hockey players.

Again I can see buying out Avery if the circumstances call for it but the savings aren't going to amount to much. In Drury's case they will.

The essential thing is to take care of the RFA's and add a scoring/playmaking center and a pwp dependable d-man. If it means getting rid of both Drury and Avery so be it but Drury comes first. He's about as shot as it gets and for the cap space he takes there is a real benefit to getting rid of him.

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Well, here you have it. This explains the sophomore slump: Del Zotto isn't committed to hockey because he's promoting the opening of a Soft Serve Ice Cream chain.

Some of you fans make me laugh. The last time I checked, practice hasn't been open to the public, so you have no idea how hard Avery (or anyone else for that matter) works for this team. Granted, the results have not been there, but there are more CONCRETE reasons (Tortorella's short leash, lack of consistent ice time) than promoting his non-hockey interests.
You know what makes me laugh? The fact that Sean Avery is credited when he plays well, but NEVER at fault for his poor play according to some of you fans. He must be the most defended marginal player in team history. The guy is a bottom 6 forward, is he not? How much playing time does he deserve as a bottom 6 forward? Does Avery kill penalties? Is he a PP specialist? Don't you think that limits his ice time? Who's fault is that? Should Torts give him more playing time than he's deserving of to please the Sean Avery fan base? Was it Torts or the refs to blame for his 2% shooting percentage this year and all the offsides he created? The real facts of the matter, are that Avery is an inconsistent hockey player who has trouble staying focused on what he does effectively out on the ice. He's not deserving of a lot of ice time no matter how much fans like him, and he dug his grave with the referees most of his career by diving and sneaking in little shots/antics behind the play. If you were a referee why would you not keep an eye on players like Avery? If you didn't, you wouldn't be doing your job.

I have a question, when was the last time our coaching staff punished a player for playing good hockey and making plays out on the ice? You know, forechecking hard, backchecking hard, finishing checks, generating scoring chances, breaking up plays.... Why is it that Avery cannot do any of these things to earn a consistent role with the team and spot in the line-up? Why do fans continue to be disillusioned into believing that he's prohibited from doing these things to be an effective hockey player? Torts doesn't bench players for trash talking out on the ice. Why can't Avery agitate by throwing big hits, running his mouth, and dropping the gloves when challenged? None of that gets him in trouble with the coaching staff nor the refs. The reason he's not effective at agitating any more is because he's not focused and most of the league has learned to ignore his mouth. I loved the old Avery.... The current Avery is a marginal player on any team and the only person he has to blame for his current level play or his consistency issues is himself.


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wolfgaze: Your criticism of his game was spot on and I don't disagree about anything you said. What got me irritated was the off-ice talk. There's no basis for it. I wish more "discussion" on topics, which you did masterfully above, took place on these boards and less subterfuge and ignorance.

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wolfgaze: Your criticism of his game was spot on and I don't disagree about anything you said. What got me irritated was the off-ice talk. There's no basis for it. I wish more "discussion" on topics, which you did masterfully above, took place on these boards and less subterfuge and ignorance.
Agreed, it's too difficult to pin-point exactly how that comes into play with what's going on in the player's head.. I just get frustrated at Sean Avery supporters not attributing any blame to the player. If my above post game off as rude or short, my apologies, I didn't intend to come across that way an that wasn't all directed at your post that I quoted...

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Agreed, it's too difficult to pin-point exactly how that comes into play with what's going on in the player's head.. I just get frustrated at Sean Avery supporters not attributing any blame to the player. If my above post game off as rude or short, my apologies, I didn't intend to come across that way an that wasn't all directed at your post that I quoted...
No worries, man... I followed where you were coming from. Never took it as an attack, never took it personal. Cheers.

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Im not upset about that. He could do whatever he wants off the ice as far as Im concerned.

Im upset that he absolutely sucks.
im upset when any ranger plays ******. but this off ice stuff about avery is rediculous. as long as he isn't goin around getting a dui or some sort of domestic abuse charge or starting a fight in a strip club his off ice stuff should be left out of it. i mean dante stallworth killed a guy. avery supports the fight against skin cancer and for some reason thats a negative. i dont see it.


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You know what makes me laugh? The fact that Sean Avery is credited when he plays well, but NEVER at fault for his poor play according to some of you fans. He must be the most defended marginal player in team history. The guy is a bottom 6 forward, is he not? How much playing time does he deserve as a bottom 6 forward? Does Avery kill penalties? Is he a PP specialist? Don't you think that limits his ice time? Who's fault is that? Should Torts give him more playing time than he's deserving of to please the Sean Avery fan base? Was it Torts or the refs to blame for his 2% shooting percentage this year and all the offsides he created? The real facts of the matter, are that Avery is an inconsistent hockey player who has trouble staying focused on what he does effectively out on the ice. He's not deserving of a lot of ice time no matter how much fans like him, and he dug his grave with the referees most of his career by diving and sneaking in little shots/antics behind the play. If you were a referee why would you not keep an eye on players like Avery? If you didn't, you wouldn't be doing your job.

I have a question, when was the last time our coaching staff punished a player for playing good hockey and making plays out on the ice? You know, forechecking hard, backchecking hard, finishing checks, generating scoring chances, breaking up plays.... Why is it that Avery cannot do any of these things to earn a consistent role with the team and spot in the line-up? Why do fans continue to be disillusioned into believing that he's prohibited from doing these things to be an effective hockey player? Torts doesn't bench players for trash talking out on the ice. Why can't Avery agitate by throwing big hits, running his mouth, and dropping the gloves when challenged? None of that gets him in trouble with the coaching staff nor the refs. The reason he's not effective at agitating any more is because he's not focused and most of the league has learned to ignore his mouth. I loved the old Avery.... The current Avery is a marginal player on any team and the only person he has to blame for his current level play or his consistency issues is himself.
some things are incorrect here. anytime avery steps on the ice he is a target for the refs. to say he can do this and that and stay out of trouble with the refs is incorrect. and to stay out of trouble with torts is nearly impossible. with a 4 goal lead late in the 3rd at home avery took a penalty (the type of penalty the avery of 07 would have taken) and torts flipped out and scratched him. let me say that again. 4 goal lead, late in the 3rd. if you dont think torts deserves some credit for averys bad season after reading that i really dont know what to tell you. agree to disagree.

however, i realize that he needs to play better and last year was very disappointing. even with all his assists i expect more from avery and hope next year he gets a chance with boyle and prust

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3 goals on 140 shots, 2% shooting percentage, worst on the team (yes, including all of our defensemen)... At some point it's time to start pointing the finger at the player and not external forces... Guy is a bottom 6 winger on any team with even half way decent depth, what types of positions is he supposed to be put in? Especially considering he can't stay onside, loves to shoot the puck into the goalies glove from the blueline, and as others have pointed out, isn't particularly responsible defensively.
I think that's a fair assessment of his play THIS year. However, he has been extremely effective in the past and utilized the correct way can be effective again. Let's face it... he's no sniper. His role is that of a pest/grinder/aggitator with some playmaking abilities. Being played against teams bottom pairing guys who don't care if they go to the box with him or take a hit bc they dish it out just as hard isn't going to do anything. When he's up against the Kovalchuks and top 6 guys is when hes really doing his job. When he's against players who know they can't afford to be in the penalty box is when he's the avery we all know. I'll admit his performance this year was sub-par (If not worse) but I would attribute most of that to tort's way of using him (Which also was bc the rest of the team stepping up) and maybe injury or something off the ice we just don't know about...

All I'm saying is we have all seen Avery play at the level that helps a team win and I think he's still got it. He had a bad year and I'm willing to gable for 1.9 on the cap that he can turn it back around.

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im upset when any ranger plays ******. but this off ice stuff about avery is rediculous. as long as he isn't goin around getting a dui or some sort of domestic abuse charge or starting a fight in a strip club his off ice stuff should be left out of it. i mean dante stallworth killed a guy. avery supports the fight against skin cancer and for some reason thats a negative. i dont see it.
What's so ridiculous about his off-ice stuff?

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What's so ridiculous about his off-ice stuff?
nothing. its rediculous that it is being brought up.

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I don't hear **** like Avery is missing any practices. He's always there at game time. He got shots on net. Just not many went in. Should we believe in luck? He's not very good in his own end. He doesn't drive teams batty like he used to. I'll agree to all that. He does make good plays now and again but there are games in which he really doesn't do much at all. Kind of like EC. It's Tortorella's team and he is one of the guys that Torts doesn't seem to like--so if there is a better option or he can be moved then fine but buying him out is not going to save much.

Anyway back in the day--Duguay--another gossip page fashionista with outside interests did have a habit of missing practices as did the guitar playing loner Pavelich. Kovalev flies planes. Any number of Rangers over the years have got into the restaraunt and or bar business at one time or another. One of the Maloney's if I remember correctly interned on Wall St. Vanity fair or the Stock Exchange. What's the difference? Graves is running all over town doing one charity or another. Jagr's gambling and Messier is another who used to be all over the gossip pages as well squiring one female celebrity or another.

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Avery's performance was a function of his ice time. In the little time he played on the top line he assisted on 6 of gabby's goals - more than anyone else on the team. That said, his shot looked weak all year.

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http://blogs.menshealth.com/health-h...ked/2011/02/15

My point is do you see other players around the NHL posing nude covering their junk and having a publicist?
None of this proves he isn't serious about his hockey career. I've never seen anything from him on the ice that shows he isn't committed to playing hockey. The only thing I'd say you could argue in favor of him "not being serious" about it is that he continued to push the limit and run his mouth over the years and almost talked his way out of the NHL.

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