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05-24-2011, 08:35 AM
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Someone made the key point earlier.

He's entering a contract year, fighting for his hockey life. I have a really hard time believing Avery doesn't want to continue playing in the NHL.

He's going to show up ready to play next year. Whether or not he'll produce like in the past is yet to be seen, but IMO Avery-Boyle-Prust could be a really good line next year (and no, that doesn't mean we don't resign Fedotenko. It's not like that line was SO good that they can't be broken up.)

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Someone made the key point earlier.

He's entering a contract year, fighting for his hockey life. I have a really hard time believing Avery doesn't want to continue playing in the NHL.

He's going to show up ready to play next year. Whether or not he'll produce like in the past is yet to be seen, but IMO Avery-Boyle-Prust could be a really good line next year (and no, that doesn't mean we don't resign Fedotenko. It's not like that line was SO good that they can't be broken up.)
Can there be a bigger indictment of an athlete than to say he will try because it is a contract year? Anyone making this argument is saying that he is a dirtbag.

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Can there be a bigger indictment of an athlete than to say he will try because it is a contract year? Anyone making this argument is saying that he is a dirtbag.
if thats your position on players trying to elevate their game because it is their contract year that is fine and i agree with you. however, this applies to every athlete, in any sport, that ever lived. no athlete puts forth less than 150% in their contract year. its just the nature of being an athlete in a professional sport.

for example, brian boyle must be a real piece of ****.

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You know what makes me laugh? The fact that Sean Avery is credited when he plays well, but NEVER at fault for his poor play according to some of you fans. He must be the most defended marginal player in team history. The guy is a bottom 6 forward, is he not? How much playing time does he deserve as a bottom 6 forward? Does Avery kill penalties? Is he a PP specialist? Don't you think that limits his ice time? Who's fault is that? Should Torts give him more playing time than he's deserving of to please the Sean Avery fan base? Was it Torts or the refs to blame for his 2% shooting percentage this year and all the offsides he created? The real facts of the matter, are that Avery is an inconsistent hockey player who has trouble staying focused on what he does effectively out on the ice. He's not deserving of a lot of ice time no matter how much fans like him, and he dug his grave with the referees most of his career by diving and sneaking in little shots/antics behind the play. If you were a referee why would you not keep an eye on players like Avery? If you didn't, you wouldn't be doing your job.
I don't think anyone can argue most of what you've just said, I just don't think there's a direct or loose connection between charity work Avery chooses to do, business ventures outside of hockey (fashion, the bar/restaurant in NYC, etc.) and his play on the ice. I just think that's the type of player he is.

I think there are two extremes when it comes to Avery in a lot of cases. I try to land somewhere in the middle. I like Avery, but realize he isn't the same player or hasn't been the same guy he was a few years ago. I think he COULD turn it around next season, but I'm not going to lose sleep over it if we let him walk. He just seems like the type of guy that thrives when people doubt him, and it's getting to the point where most are writing him off.

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Can there be a bigger indictment of an athlete than to say he will try because it is a contract year? Anyone making this argument is saying that he is a dirtbag.
The problem is that you look at it like he wasn't trying before the contract year. That is not what I said. And I don't think lack of effort has been the problem for Avery, ever. He's a high energy type of player every time he puts on the skates.

It's human nature to step it up to another level when the stakes are higher. It's do or die time for Avery...he may not get another contract int he NHL if he doesn't produce next year. That is what I am saying.

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I think a lot of fans have too high expectations for Avery regarding offensive production. I think he scored 15 one year in his late 20's, the man has never been about goals. Its the "under the skin" and hustle 3rd/4th line role that made him a success in the NHL. If someone said to me " Sean Avery would have 25 points in the 2010-2011 NHL season" I would have wished for maybe 5-7 more but its about his career range. I would have guessed about 10 goals and 15 assist, not 3 and 22 but I think the expectations are too high.

He hustles and gives great effort, unfortunately, sometimes that energy translates to bad penalties, but also year in and year out hes also in the top of the league in drawing them.

One last thing, theres tons of players that have investments all over the city, who have hobbies and don;t always worry about hockey because, hey, their human. Sean Avery likes to have a good time and likes to invest his money, I'm not going to front on it.

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The problem is that you look at it like he wasn't trying before the contract year. That is not what I said. And I don't think lack of effort has been the problem for Avery, ever. He's a high energy type of player every time he puts on the skates.

It's human nature to step it up to another level when the stakes are higher. It's do or die time for Avery...he may not get another contract int he NHL if he doesn't produce next year. That is what I am saying.
I guess players like Callahan and Staal and Lundqvist and Dubinaky and most honest players are idiots for always trying.


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The problem is that you look at it like he wasn't trying before the contract year. That is not what I said. And I don't think lack of effort has been the problem for Avery, ever. He's a high energy type of player every time he puts on the skates.

It's human nature to step it up to another level when the stakes are higher. It's do or die time for Avery...he may not get another contract int he NHL if he doesn't produce next year. That is what I am saying.
Earlier in this thread you said that the value of Avery has gone down because of the refs. Unless all of them are being replaced next year, please explain why it will be better next season.

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Earlier in this thread you said that the value of Avery has gone down because of the refs. Unless all of them are being replaced next year, please explain why it will be better next season.
I never said that, you're confusing me with someone else

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I guess players like Callahan and Staal and Lundqvist and Dubinaky and most honest players are idiots for always trying.
no they are not idiots. but it doesnt mean that avery is more of a dirt bag for doing what every other pro athlete has ever done (play real hard in his contract year). and if you want you could even bring up that dubinsky held out and avery didnt. he may play hard every game, but isnt that a little dirt bagish?

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I guess players like Callahan and Staal and Lundqvist and Dubinaky and most honest players are idiots for always trying.
I don't know how to make myself clearer. Because a player steps their game up to another level because they're in a contract year, doesn't mean they weren't trying 100% before. I said it plain as day in the post that you are quoting that it's pretty clear Avery tries all the time. That doesn't mean he won't realize it's do or die in terms of getting another NHL contract and take it to another level, maybe a level he never thought possible.

You mean to tell me you've never faced a deadline or reached a point in your life where you realized the stakes were raised and that it was time to take it to another level?

Human. Nature.

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I don't know how to make myself clearer. Because a player steps their game up to another level because they're in a contract year, doesn't mean they weren't trying 100% before. I said it plain as day in the post that you are quoting that it's pretty clear Avery tries all the time. That doesn't mean he won't realize it's do or die in terms of getting another NHL contract and take it to another level, maybe a level he never thought possible.

You mean to tell me you've never faced a deadline or reached a point in your life where you realized the stakes were raised and that it was time to take it to another level?

Human. Nature.
It is impossible to give more than 100%.

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It is impossible to give more than 100%.
Nonsense.

Listening to "Eye of the Tiger" enables one to bend the laws of nature.

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Nonsense.

Listening to "Eye of the Tiger" enables one to bend the laws of nature.
I forgot that. Maybe Avery should wear headphones when he skates. Then he will give 2000%. And the refs will adore him. And he will be able to stay onsides. And he will become what some already think he is.

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Since Sean is slated to earn about 4 mil from us and Dallas combined, I hope he finds his mind, his game, and his old scoring and agitating touch...and gives more fun interviews on MSG.

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