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05-26-2011, 01:13 AM
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If we don't draft a player above 6 foot I will be mad. There is a lot of size in this draft, guys like Mark McNeil and Joel Armia might not be available when we're on the clock but there are still guys like Boone Jenner, Niklas Jensen, Mark Scheifele, Tyler Biggs, Jonathan Miller, Brandon Saad and Rocco Grimaldi (just kidding). Seriously though....we need size on this club so we should continue to draft players in the mold.

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So who from St. John do we want this week?

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They've been drafting guys over 6' the last couple of drafts, except Gallagher and he put up 44 goals in the WHL this year.

We're not drafting a guy who steps in and makes a difference this year realistically at 17th. When they make their presence felt, Cammy and Gionta will be the last 1-2 year of their contract.

All of the guys I've seen people proposing have all had decent size though, except Grimaldi, so I wouldn't worry too much. It doesn't look like we're going to get an amazing scorer where we're drafting, but I hope whoever we pick can put the puck in the net.

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If we don't draft a player above 6 foot I will be mad. There is a lot of size in this draft, guys like Mark McNeil and Joel Armia might not be available when we're on the clock but there are still guys like Boone Jenner, Niklas Jensen, Mark Scheifele, Tyler Biggs, Jonathan Miller, Brandon Saad and Rocco Grimaldi (just kidding). Seriously though....we need size on this club so we should continue to draft players in the mold.
At the same time do you want to pass up another Giroux for another Fischer?

I know that all small players are not necessarily more skilled than all big players, but as much as I'd like a bit more size in the top 6 down the road, at the end of the day it's skill first and foremost that wins games.

For all the talk of the big bad Bruins, Cammalleri put up 10 points on them in 7 games...last night St.Louis had a huge part in beating them.

When all is said and done we need 3-4 bigger guys out of this draft, ideally in round 1 we get a 6'2"(or bigger) skill player...but I won't be disapointed if we get Grimaldi or Rattie.

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If we don't draft a player above 6 foot I will be mad. There is a lot of size in this draft, guys like Mark McNeil and Joel Armia might not be available when we're on the clock but there are still guys like Boone Jenner, Niklas Jensen, Mark Scheifele, Tyler Biggs, Jonathan Miller, Brandon Saad and Rocco Grimaldi (just kidding). Seriously though....we need size on this club so we should continue to draft players in the mold.
How tall someone is means nothing.

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How tall someone is means nothing.
It's not the size of the dog in the fight,it's the size of fight in the dog.Gionta,Desharnais and Dumont are prime examples.Even though Gionta never played for the Dogs, he is our Captain.

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Size does matter, to the extent that it contributes to REAL attributes like reach and strength.

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Size does matter, to the extent that it contributes to REAL attributes like reach and strength.
As does the speed to use the reach and strength,and ability.Look at Chara he had to guide Pacioretty into the stanchion illegally otherwise he had a possible breakaway.

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It's not the size of the dog in the fight,it's the size of fight in the dog.Gionta,Desharnais and Dumont are prime examples.Even though Gionta never played for the Dogs, he is our Captain.
Speaking of the "fight in the dog" in smaller players, I'm surprised not to find anything about Daniel Catenacci in this thread.
The THN Draft Preview is all about his ability to make plays at high speed and how he's maybe the fastest player in the draft.
It's also mentionned that he's very abrasive and "has a high level of grit".
Has anyone seen this guy play?
I'd be curious to hear from someone who's seen him first hand.

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As does the speed to use the reach and strength,and ability.Look at Chara he had to guide Pacioretty into the stanchion illegally otherwise he had a possible breakaway.
Exactly. What you're saying is essentially the same thing as me: size does not necessarily translate directly to real strength and reach (but to the extent it does, it's an asset).

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If we don't draft a player above 6 foot I will be mad. There is a lot of size in this draft, guys like Mark McNeil and Joel Armia might not be available when we're on the clock but there are still guys like Boone Jenner, Niklas Jensen, Mark Scheifele, Tyler Biggs, Jonathan Miller, Brandon Saad and Rocco Grimaldi (just kidding). Seriously though....we need size on this club so we should continue to draft players in the mold.
So if we draft Crosby 2.0, you'd be mad?

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Speaking of the "fight in the dog" in smaller players, I'm surprised not to find anything about Daniel Catenacci in this thread.
The THN Draft Preview is all about his ability to make plays at high speed and how he's maybe the fastest player in the draft.
It's also mentionned that he's very abrasive and "has a high level of grit".
Has anyone seen this guy play?
I'd be curious to hear from someone who's seen him first hand.
I think because he should likely go in the second round, he isn't mentioned really, but his speed is SICK. And he seems to handle the puck at high speeds with ease.

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Size does matter, to the extent that it contributes to REAL attributes like reach and strength.
Height has nothing to do with strength.

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Height has nothing to do with strength.
It certainly does in terms of leverage.

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It certainly does in terms of leverage.
Not really, you could be taller but a bean poll, that leverage won't do you much good then.

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Not really, you could be taller but a bean poll, that leverage won't do you much good then.
Without turning this into a physics lecture, even if you're a bean pole, pushing down at an opponent's centre of gravity from a higher centre of gravity requires less strength than the reverse. You start off at the advantage, and it's just a matter of how much difference in strength exists from there.

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Without turning this into a physics lecture, even if you're a bean pole, pushing down at an opponent's centre of gravity from a higher centre of gravity requires less strength than the reverse. You start off at the advantage, and it's just a matter of how much difference in strength exists from there.
How do you explain Pouliot spending half the season on his butt?

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How do you explain Pouliot spending half the season on his butt?
he's weak as hell

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I'm hoping for one of Mark McNeill or Mark Schiefele. This team needs some Canadian talent. Otherwise, if those two are not available, the next choices are obviously Zibanejad, Phillips, Puempel, Armia, Jurco and only if all those players are drafted Grimaldi. I want us to get a player north of 6 feet, however, we are in need of young offensive players. Kind of sick of us drafting, 3rd-4th liners and defensive defenseman in the first round. I almost want us to finish last to have the chance to draft a marquee player.

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I'm hoping for one of Mark McNeill or Mark Schiefele. This team needs some Canadian talent. Otherwise, if those two are not available, the next choices are obviously Zibanejad, Phillips, Puempel, Armia, Jurco and only if all those players are drafted Grimaldi. I want us to get a player north of 6 feet, however, we are in need of young offensive players. Kind of sick of us drafting, 3rd-4th liners and defensive defenseman in the first round. I almost want us to finish last to have the chance to draft a marquee player.
If the management starts picking the BPA from one country every 1st pick at 17th or 27th the team will be in trouble really quickly.Most Habs fans are from Canada and pull for Team Canada but,the need for the best team possible is to draft the player that is BPA World.

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Where is this myth that we draft small players coming from?

I don't want a team full of tiny guys either but the guy we draft this year won't make the team for another 3-4 years likely, unless we move up to the top 10.

Anways, if you look at mock drafts and rankings it looks like most guys 15-30 are north of 6'.

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If the management starts picking the BPA from one country every 1st pick at 17th or 27th the team will be in trouble really quickly.Most Habs fans are from Canada and pull for Team Canada but,the need for the best team possible is to draft the player that is BPA World.
I agree. However, if you look at our nucleus, Plekanec, Cammy, Gomez, Gionta, Kostitsyn, Eller, Pacioretty, Markov, Wiz, Subban, Leblanc, Gorges, Emelin, Desharnais.

Of those players, 5/15 are Canadian, 3/15 are from the "English" part of Canada which makes up the most significant portion of the NHL. Traditionally, teams with the largest contingent of anglo-Canadian tend to do well in the playoffs. This is not meant to be racist, or anti European or anti-French. I love French players and European players. I just think anglo-Canada is underrepresented big time on the Habs and there could be a correllation between that and our lack of toughness.

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Where is this myth that we draft small players coming from?

I don't want a team full of tiny guys either but the guy we draft this year won't make the team for another 3-4 years likely, unless we move up to the top 10.

Anways, if you look at mock drafts and rankings it looks like most guys 15-30 are north of 6'.
What Myth Tinordi is a puny 6'7 212lbs,Pierre Gauthier's 1st draft pick as GM. and Gillis is still fuming in Vancouver.

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What Myth Tinordi is a puny 6'7 212lbs,Pierre Gauthier's 1st draft pick as GM. and Gillis is still fuming in Vancouver.
We have people here fuming that they picked Tinordi.

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