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05-27-2011, 02:19 PM
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Another for the Ducks would be Andy Sutton.

2.125 mil cap hit, healthy scratch.

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05-27-2011, 02:25 PM
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4 people disagreed with Ballard being up there. Personally I think the Canucks would be quick to unload him this offseason given that Beiksa, Salo, and Erhoff are all UFA's and bring more to the team than Ballard does, but I guess that's just me.
Good chance that either Salo retires after this season or just won't be re-signed (too injury prone and incentive based contract [based on # games played] are pointless in the final year of a CBA).

Unless Bieksa & Ehrhoff are signed to really inflated deals - there should be room for Ballard's cap hit. Alberts $1+ million "comes off the books" & Tanev (at half that wage) looks ready to step-in based on this past season's performance with the parent club.

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05-27-2011, 02:40 PM
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Okay, I didn't add Smyth, Heatley, or Clarkson yet. I'll have to hear more dissent from the fans.

Ryan Smyth is overpaid for sure. However, if I put him on the list he would be the highest producing player on there (9 more points than Gomez, who current holds that position). He also makes $1 million dollars less than Gomez. Does he really belong on this list?

Ryan Smyth (1 year at $6.2 million; 47 points)

We all know Heatley is overpaid. However at 64 points he would easily be the highest producing player on this list by 26 points. Also, just last year he had 82 points. That being said he's getting paid huge dollars for several more years. If he gets any worse than his contract is a big problem for the Sharks and is probably untradable.

Dany Heatley (3 years at $7.5 million; 64 points)

David Clarkson is definitely a disappointment at his salary, but his cap hit is also quite managable.

David Clarkson (2 years at $2.7 million; 18 points)

What do you guys think, should these three guys make the list?

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05-27-2011, 02:44 PM
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Good chance that either Salo retires after this season or just won't be re-signed (too injury prone and incentive based contract [based on # games played] are pointless in the final year of a CBA).

Unless Bieksa & Ehrhoff are signed to really inflated deals - there should be room for Ballard's cap hit. Alberts $1+ million "comes off the books" & Tanev (at half that wage) looks ready to step-in based on this past season's performance with the parent club.
Alright good to know. Although if he has another bad year, either production-wise or injury-wise I think he will have earned himself a spot.

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05-27-2011, 02:49 PM
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Here are some more for the Flames

Cory Sarich: 17pts at 3.6mil
Robyn Regehr: 17pts at 4.0mil
You seem really offended that the other guy said 2 Oilers players that are overpaid...

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05-27-2011, 02:54 PM
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You seem really offended that the other guy said 2 Oilers players that are overpaid...
Souray @ $5 million = AHL discount!

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05-27-2011, 02:58 PM
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Henrik Tallinder - $3.37MM/3 yrs - 16 pts, -6
The Devils wouldn't trade Tallinder, firstly, and it's not a bad contract. He had a horrendous start, but became the Devils only legitimate 2-way defenseman once John MacLean was fired. Basically, he improved like everyone else when an awful coach got fired.

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05-27-2011, 03:01 PM
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Oh man! We can cry all year about Gomez, but Drury is miles ahead!

And I was wondering which of Drury or Brière the habs should go for at the time O_O

Just went through the list again and everyone I wanted to mention is already on there. IMO Finger, Souray, Drury and DiPietro are in a league of their own.

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05-27-2011, 03:16 PM
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The case for Heatley is that maybe San Jose won't be able to get the missing pieces without moving a big ticket item...and he's the least performing of the big tickets right now.

Sharks fans should know better, though.

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05-27-2011, 03:41 PM
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Alright good to know. Although if he has another bad year, either production-wise or injury-wise I think he will have earned himself a spot.
Yeah I certainly would never argue at this point that he isn't overpaid. He'll be kind of insurance in case either Ehrhoff or Bieksa are looking for too much money (eg., something far north of $5 million).

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05-27-2011, 04:00 PM
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Here are some more for the Flames

Cory Sarich: 17pts at 3.6mil
Robyn Regehr: 17pts at 4.0mil
Those are actually both good contracts given their TOI, +/- and overall play.

Kotalik, Stajan and Hagman are bad contracts.

Bouwmeester's isn't great, but I wouldn't call it brutal either - about the same as Phaneuf's.

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05-27-2011, 04:06 PM
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Oh man! We can cry all year about Gomez, but Drury is miles ahead!
It's true that Drury is a much worse player than Gomez, but his contract also ends a few years before.

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05-27-2011, 04:07 PM
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You seem really offended that the other guy said 2 Oilers players that are overpaid...
I found it cute that a Flames fan would pipe up against the Oilers before mentioning his own albatrosses.

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05-27-2011, 04:13 PM
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Good idea...

I was going to say Giggy for TO but he's UFA so it doesn't count.

Arguably you could say the kovy contract is a bad one for NJ as well..
Kovalchuk at $6.6 per? He's never injured and consistently scores. Thats a bargain. He had a bad season, the whole team did. If he sucks next season, I could see an argument being made but not as of yet. He's too established to write him off as a bad contract just yet.

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05-27-2011, 04:38 PM
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I found it cute that a Flames fan would pipe up against the Oilers before mentioning his own albatrosses.
I already wrote down the Flames "albatrosses", stop being so defensive. Your team has some bad contracts just like everyone else.

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Henrik Tallinder - $3.37MM/3 yrs - 16 pts, -6
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Here are some more for the Flames

Cory Sarich: 17pts at 3.6mil
Robyn Regehr: 17pts at 4.0mil

Great idea using points as benchmark for defensive d-men...

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05-27-2011, 04:59 PM
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Jochen Hecht (1 year at $3.5 million; 29 points)
I'd say most Sabres fans wouldn't say Hecht is a bad contract. He's a defensive specialist and overpaid, but he brings things to the table (two-way play, PK, versatility as he can play both center and wing, cycling ability, board play, probably best defensive forward on the roster, a little grit) that only few of Buffalo's forwards offer. I'm pretty sure most of us would rather trade Boyes before Hecht.

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Kotalik - 3 mil
Hagman - 3 mil
Stajan - 3.5 mil
Langkow - 4.5 mil (might rebound but is iffy)
Bouwmeester - 6.68 mil
Kiprusoff - 5.833
Take Kipper off this list, at 5.8 he's worth that EASILY. Philly would throw 8 at him if they could! Bouwmeester's about equal to the Phaneuf contract, the rest I agree with.

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05-27-2011, 05:22 PM
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Take Kipper off this list, at 5.8 he's worth that EASILY. Philly would throw 8 at him if they could! Bouwmeester's about equal to the Phaneuf contract, the rest I agree with.
Holy over exaggeration... Even if we could, we would never offer 8 Million dollars to Kipprusoff for any length of time. Pretty sure no one else in the league would either.

For Philly:

I hate to admit it but Pronger's contract due to the 35 plus rule. We are basically on the hook for that no matter what.

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05-27-2011, 05:48 PM
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Dallas Stars - Sean Avery - 4 Million a season through 2011-2012
New York Islanders - Alexei Yashin - New York's highest paid player last season, being paid through 2013-2014
Nashville Predators - J.P. Dumont - 4 Million through 2011-2012.
Granted, $2 million is too much to pay a player to go away, only half of Sean Avery's contract was/is on the Stars' payroll.

I looked just to be sure but the Stars don't really have a player with a true "bad contract." Sure, Daley's is probably too long but aside from that and Krys Barch actually having an NHL contract at all the Stars don't have any that I consider to be bad contracts. Loui's is fantastic and most guys who matter are paid about what they should be.

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Take Kipper off this list, at 5.8 he's worth that EASILY. Philly would throw 8 at him if they could! Bouwmeester's about equal to the Phaneuf contract, the rest I agree with.
The only 3 starting goalies he was better than stats wise last year was Brian Elliot, Steve Mason, and Niklolai Khabibulin. That doesn't really scream 5.8 million dollars to me. If he was making 3.5, that'd be fine, but 5.8 is terrible, especially on a team with cap issues.

Don't get me wrong, I like Kipper, he was terrible last year. Also, Bouwmeester is playing up to Regehr's cap hit (4.02) not 6.68 which is why he's a bad contract.

Wouldn't be much of a problem in both cases, but we're up against the cap, and those two are overpaid by about 4.5 million between the two, which is another 1st/2nd line player.

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For Philly:

I hate to admit it but Pronger's contract due to the 35 plus rule. We are basically on the hook for that no matter what.
He's also Philly's most indispensable player, and arguably the most valuable player to his team in the entire league. I don't think he qualifies for this list even with the 35+ rule.

If you put him on the trade market tomorrow and he waives his NMC, there'd be a lineup the size of a women's public restroom for his services.

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05-27-2011, 06:23 PM
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He's also Philly's most indispensable player, and arguably the most valuable player to his team in the entire league. I don't think he qualifies for this list even with the 35+ rule.

If you put him on the trade market tomorrow and he waives his NMC, there'd be a lineup the size of a women's public restroom for his services.
For how much longer is the real question? We will be paying for the priviledge of Pronger's services for long after they are still useful. It's true what you say, that it is not CURRENTLY a bad contract. I would argue however that it is only a matter of time before this becomes one.

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For how much longer is the real question? We will be paying for the priviledge of Pronger's services for long after they are still useful. It's true what you say, that it is not CURRENTLY a bad contract. I would argue however that it is only a matter of time before this becomes one.
At which time, he WOULD belong on this list.


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At which time, he WOULD belong on this list.

Very well, I'll be back to post this again in two - three years.

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