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05-28-2011, 02:56 PM
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Vyacheslav Voynov to New Jersey

Not a big name player or anything but recently I've heard some rumblings that Voynov might go to the KHL if he doesn't make the Kings out of camp.

http://hctraktor.org/main/news/?id=5206

Don't know if it's true or not but...

What would the Kings want from NJ? I think he'd have a very solid shot at making our defense next season and could potentially play with Russians like Volchenkov, Kovalchuk, and Zharkov.

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I couldn't see him being worth much more then a 2nd or another prospect. Where are the Kings biggest need in their prospect pool, wing?

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I would welcome a trade that brought Voynov to NJ. Would the Dallas third this year do it? Perhaps a 2012 second rounder?

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that's what he said last season. He and Moller are the likeliest to get traded for help NOW, not for prospects/picks.

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Vasyunov + Dallas 3rd?

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I couldn't see him being worth much more then a 2nd or another prospect. Where are the Kings biggest need in their prospect pool, wing?
Yeah, definitely the wing.

But it would make more sense for the Kings to send Voynov + for a roster player.

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Vasyunov + Dallas 3rd?
Absolutely no need for Vasyunov or the pick unless it's really high(which obviously is not his value by any means). Only players of interest for the kings is Zajac and Parise, which of course the Devils would never consider trading without a severe overpayment at the moment. Zubrus/Rolston/Elias won't help the Kings much with those cap hits; no interest in defenders due to the logjam, etc. In other words, only way kings trade Voynov to the Devils is if it becomes CLEAR that Voynov is going to leave for the KHL, otherwise Lombardi will hold onto him and Moller for a top 6 forward that can make a difference for the Kings offensively.

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Would the Dallas third this year do it? Perhaps a 2012 second rounder?
There is no chance his value has gone down since he got drafted. HF boards has such an absurdly distorted sense of both the value of picks and prospects who don't jump directly to the NHL. Voynov was a very high (32nd) pick in a good draft. His Russian passport also hampered his draft placement so - based on talent alone - he was a legitimate mid-late first round talent.

Since coming to the AHL from Russia (at age eighteen) he has steadily progressed to the point where he was one of the elite defenseman in the AHL this past season. (51 pts in 76 GP, +21) And - btw - he is still only 21. Yes, he hasn't suited up in the NHL yet but he is stuck in one of the deepest defensive corps' in the NHL. On at least a dozen teams in the NHL, he already has NHL games under his belt, if not a full season.

So - yeah - LA is not going to trade him for a 3rd rd pick. In fact, in a 'meh' draft like this, I might not trade him for a late first rounder. (unless DL's staff had a certain guy targeted available)

LA is stocked in prospects, so unless we are being offered a really quality winger, it would be moronic to just deal him for a pick. If he is traded, I expect to be in a package for a guy who can help now.

P.S., no need to try the "KHL card" to reduce his actual value . If he wants to go there next year, let him. We'll still own his rights and we'll still be deep enough to play without him for a couple of years. He has shown every intent of wanting to be in the NHL but he - understandably - probably wants to start to get paid more. If he goes to the K for a couple years, makes more $$$ (than the A) and continues to develop, we can still just bring him back when he is a more honed 23 year old.

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There is no chance his value has gone down since he got drafted. HF boards has such an absurdly distorted sense of the value of picks and prospects value who don't jump directly to the NHL. Voynov was a very high (32nd) pick in a good draft. His Russian passport also hampered his draft placement so - based on talent alone - he was a legitimate mid-late first round talent.

Since coming to the AHL from Russia (at age eighteen) he has steadily progressed to the point where he was one of the elite defenseman in the AHL this past season. (51 pts in 76 GP, +21) And - btw - he is still only 21. Yes, he hasn't suited up in the NHL yet but he is stuck in one of the deepest defensive corps' in the NHL. On at least a dozen teams in the NHL, he has already has NHL games under his belt, if not a full season.

So - yeah - LA is going to trade him for a 3rd rd pick. In fact, in a 'meh' draft like this, I might not trade him for a late first rounder. (unless DL's staff had a certain guy targeted available)

LA is stocked in prospects, so unless we are being offered a really quality winger, it would be moronic to just deal him for a pick. If he is traded, I expect to be in a package for a guy who can help now.

P.S., no need to try the "KHL card" to reduce his actual value . If he wants to go there next year,let him. We'll still own his rights and we'll still be deep enough to play without him for a couple of years. He has shown every intent of wanting to be in the NHL but he - understandably - probably wants to start to get paid bigger. If he goes to the K for a couple years, makes more $$$ (than the A) and continues to develop, we can still just bring him back when he is a more honed 23 year old.
The Kings would be trading him in this hypothetical scenario because he is seriously considering going to the KHL.

I'm sorry but that hurts his value, showing that such a young player is not willing to fully commit to the NHL and the process of "paying your dues" to earn a spot on the big club. It's not like he's been dwelling in the AHL for 6 seasons and is tired of it.

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The Kings would be trading him in this hypothetical scenario because he is seriously considering going to the KHL.

I'm sorry but that hurts his value.
MY whole point was we don't have to. We'll trade him if it makes sense for us, NOT because we are scared to lose him in the KHL. In fact, him going to the KHL good be beneficial for both parties. The reality is LA is deep both in current talent and future talent on defense and can afford to ship a guy like a Voynov in a logical deal.

Voynov has praised the LA organization in past interviews and wants to play in the NHL foremost. Obviously, he wants to make more money too and play at a higher level. The KHL is obviously an alternative to the NHL in those regards. With Mitchell & Scuderi still having 1/2 more good years left, he might not crack LA's core next season. I'm sure if they two sides talked, they could more than amicably part for a year or two.

He gets paid more and gets more of a challenge for a year or two. We continue with our vets and bring him in 1/2 seasons when he is even more ripened. Other than not having him for a callup (we're still deep so it won't be a terrible loss), it is still a win-win kind of situation.

Anyway, if you think you are getting him for anything less than your 2nd this year, you're insane. Somebody else will at least offer that much if they were to swap him simply for a pick.


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The Kings would be trading him in this hypothetical scenario because he is seriously considering going to the KHL.

I'm sorry but that hurts his value, showing that such a young player is not willing to fully commit to the NHL and the process of "paying your dues" to earn a spot on the big club. It's not like he's been dwelling in the AHL for 6 seasons and is tired of it.
This seems like common sense to me. People are complaining about not trading a 1st round pick for a guy who might flee to the KHL. If Voynov is getting offers because of the flight risk, any team would be insane to give such high value for him unless he is a surefire defensive juggernaut(which if he was, there is no reason to trade him and team should try to get rid of Johnson instead).

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Kings would be looking to make a move like Voynov + Moller for a wing prospect (or young established winger) better than Moller.

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I really dont see how playing in the khl or threatening to play there affects his tradeing worth. If ur going to trade for him ur going to play him in the nhl which is what he wants.So what does it matter if hes playing in the khl or ahl when u aquire him im sure he ll have a out to the nhl in his contract

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MY whole point was we don't have to. We'll trade him if it makes sense for us, NOT because we are scared to lose him in the KHL. In fact, him going to the KHL good be beneficial for both parties. The reality is LA is deep both in current talent and future talent on defense and can afford to ship a guy like a Voynov in a logical deal.

Voynov has praised the LA organization in past interviews and wants to play in the NHL foremost. Obviously, he wants to make more money too and play at a higher level. The KHL is obviously an alternative to the NHL in those regards. With Mitchell & Scuderi still having 1/2 more good years left, he might not crack LA's core next season. I'm sure if they two sides talked, they could more than amicably part for a year or two.

He gets paid more and gets more of a challenge for a year or two. We continue with our vets and bring him in 1/2 seasons when he is even more ripened. Other than not having him for a callup (we're still deep so it won't be a terrible loss), it is still a win-win kind of situation.

Anyway, if you think you are getting him for anything less than your 2nd this year, you're insane. Somebody else will at least offer that much if they were to swap him simply for a pick.
We're not talking about a player of Radulov's calibre, who is absolutely worth taking a risk on.

But I'm also not saying I'd only be willing to give up a 4th for him. If a trade were to occur, I'd have no problem with Lou being somewhat generous with Dean solely for the fact that your defense is better then ours and he would almost certainly make the team as a PP specialist.

We don't have a 2nd this season either.

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What is NJ's expectations of Nick Palmieri? I would imagine both teams would want to address a team need in a swap involving two young, unproven players with promising prospects.

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What is NJ's expectations of Nick Palmieri? I would imagine both teams would want to address a team need in a swap involving two young, unproven players with promising prospects.
I'd rather deal Vasyunov and a pick. Vasyunov is NHL ready and is probably more talented than Palmieri, but NaPalm brings some good size to a relatively small group of Devils forwards.

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I honestly have no idea what Voynov's value to the Kings is, that's why I was just asking what could get it done.

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I couldn't see him being worth much more then a 2nd or another prospect. Where are the Kings biggest need in their prospect pool, wing?
Why in the world would the kings spend time developing the kid who by the way is one of the best young PMD's outside of the NHL today that they drafted in the second round only to turn around and deal him for another 2nd round pick? That is just lame thinking.

Voynov has taken his exceptional skating and scoring ability and developed a nice two way game. He has average size but is a smart skater and worst case should be a 3/4 pmd 1st/2nd pp unit guy and best case he could become a true #2 dman and standout 1st pp guy.

Sure the Kings would deal him for another 2nd round pick.

His cost would be another exceptionally talented prospect or a mid 1st. His value has increased since his draft.

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I would welcome a trade that brought Voynov to NJ. Would the Dallas third this year do it? Perhaps a 2012 second rounder?
Not even close.

A 2012 1st or at least an equally talented young forward prospect. Remember he was a 2nd round pick and has gotten better since his draft. He is one of the top young PMD's not in the NHL and that is only due to the Kings exceptional depth for the most part.

A 2012 2nd and 3rd? Maybe. But what the Kings need is a left wing with top line potential who is well on his way towards developing into his position.

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The Kings would be trading him in this hypothetical scenario because he is seriously considering going to the KHL.

I'm sorry but that hurts his value, showing that such a young player is not willing to fully commit to the NHL and the process of "paying your dues" to earn a spot on the big club. It's not like he's been dwelling in the AHL for 6 seasons and is tired of it.
Well then let me remove a ton of the question about his returning to the KHL. He said that when he came over to the NHL and has since said that he intends to stay here until he makes the NHL. That he wants to play in the NHL first and foremost.

It is sort of like the whole "Parise wants to remain a Devil" argument. If you believe the player then things remain static but if you are the type to fly off at every wild rumor then Voynov's value might indeed drop for the mythical possibility of him running of the KHL.

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If he is actually NHL-capable next year, would Kings fans consider a Voynov-for-Filatov swap?

(probably not, but, y'know, figured I'd ask)

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But what the Kings need is a left wing with top line potential who is well on his way towards developing into his position.
The only player the Devils have that fits that description is Tedenby. But I highly doubt he gets traded for anything but a #1 defenceman.

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What is NJ's expectations of Nick Palmieri? I would imagine both teams would want to address a team need in a swap involving two young, unproven players with promising prospects.
We expect him to be a 2nd liner, consistent 20-25 goal guy. Think Mike Knuble.

I think a Palmieri/Voynov swap would be great for both teams.

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We expect him to be a 2nd liner, consistent 20-25 goal guy. Think Mike Knuble.

I think a Palmieri/Voynov swap would be great for both teams.
It seems to be a move that would make sense for both organizations.

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