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05-27-2011, 06:07 PM
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Kreider at the B's game tonight. Posted on twitter: "Let's Go B's"

I know it shouldn't, but that kind of irks me to be honest
I realize he's a kid and that was his team growing up, but it bothers me a little
probably over thinking it, but from day 1 I haven't be convinced he's been incredibly thrilled to be a Ranger, and that worries me

i know, im crazy though
People said the same sort of things about McDonagh last year and now they love him. Once he sees a contract from the Rangers he'll be a fan, I'm sure.

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05-27-2011, 06:12 PM
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Kinda OT:
Kreider at the B's game tonight. Posted on twitter: "Let's Go B's"

I know it shouldn't, but that kind of irks me to be honest
I realize he's a kid and that was his team growing up, but it bothers me a little
probably over thinking it, but from day 1 I haven't be convinced he's been incredibly thrilled to be a Ranger, and that worries me

i know, im crazy though

edit: posted this in the wrong thread sorry guys

It's twitter where people say all kinda instant stuff without putting much thought into it.

He's buddies with Stepan and Borque and he's learning to speak Russian and will have Anisimov and maybe some combo of Valentenko/Pashnin and even Koklachev or Namenstekov eventually to play with. Plus the Rangers have been very good to him so what's not to like

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it seems that every mock draft on the mock draft board has us passing on the likes of scheifele, mcneill, bartschi, armia if they are available. found that funny because these are 4 of the players that this board are highest on if they fall to us.

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05-27-2011, 08:30 PM
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Id like to say its doubtful they'd pass on all of them.

But then again, we don't know what their intentions are. They could shock us again like they did last year.

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05-28-2011, 12:35 AM
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in the FA Game out on the Mock Draft Board, I was able to come away with Puempel(Shiefele went right before me), Grimaldi and Ritchie int he first 2 rounds. I would be pretty happy with that.

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05-28-2011, 10:43 AM
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in the FA Game out on the Mock Draft Board, I was able to come away with Puempel(Shiefele went right before me), Grimaldi and Ritchie int he first 2 rounds. I would be pretty happy with that.
I'd be pretty stoked with that. Good job on that btw.

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05-28-2011, 11:34 AM
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besides the injury, can someone tell me what the knock on puempel is?

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05-28-2011, 12:01 PM
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besides the injury, can someone tell me what the knock on puempel is?
He hasn't shown consistent play, as he can disappear at times. But I'm going to guess that is because his defense isn't that good, which it isn't, and he doesn't really play well away from the puck.

That is something that can be learned though.

His offensive instinct is top-notch, and he'd be a top pick on that alone, but his defensive awareness is what is hurting him.

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05-28-2011, 08:50 PM
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Here's how to do it:

Colorado has two picks #2 (Larsson) and #11.

They have Duchene and Stastny as #1 and #2 centers. Will they really be looking to draft one of these centers? Armia will be there at #15.

Trade #15, #45, and a *player to Colorado to move up to #11.

Then, trade #11 and a *player to Minnesota to move from #11 to #10.


*player = not a core NHL player, and not a top prospect. It can be a B-level prospect or non core NHL player.

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Why not just trade #15, #45 and a player to Minnesota for #10??? It's hard enough to pull off 1 trade and you have us moving up twice. lol

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05-28-2011, 08:53 PM
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Why not just trade #15, #45 and a player to Minnesota for #10??? It's hard enough to pull off 1 trade and you have us moving up twice. lol
Who exactly would you be looking to snag at 10 to pay that price to move up?

Just curious.

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Who exactly would you be looking to snag at 10 to pay that price to move up?

Just curious.
Siemiens/Zibenjad/Armia, or to secure Schiefele, most likely.

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05-28-2011, 08:55 PM
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Siemiens/Zibenjad/Armia, or to secure Schiefele, most likely.
Ok thank you.

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05-29-2011, 09:22 AM
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Why not just trade #15, #45 and a player to Minnesota for #10??? It's hard enough to pull off 1 trade and you have us moving up twice. lol
Because Minnesota doesn't have two first round picks. Why would they want to drop from 10 to 15?

Colorado has two first round picks. #2 and #11.

Minnesota may not have an issue dropping down one spot.

If our guy is there, why wouldn't we pay that price? Why settle for a lesser player when a high-end player could be had 5 spots ahead of where we are supposed to pick at #15.

Rangers themselves said its a 10 pick first round that drops off after the top 10.

If the opportunity is there to get into the top 10 without sacrificing a top prospect, any future picks, or any NHL core players, we should do it.

I doubt Minnesota would move that far down.

Colorado is our best bet for an initial trade partner. From #11 things are more manageable.

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05-29-2011, 09:30 AM
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Targets at #10 or #11 would be:

Strome (not likely to be there)
Zibanejad
Scheifele
McNeill

For example.

Certainly less question marks in the top #10.

Only player slated for the first round out of the top 10 with not alot of questions and has high-end ability is Khokhlachev. But does Clark take a Russian player? Maybe Armia.

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05-29-2011, 09:31 AM
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I think if the Rangers want McNeil, they would have to move up past Carolina, who I feel will defnitely be taking McNeail @ 12, so pick 11 makes sense to trade for.

I coud see the Rangers moving up big time to get Zibenjad, though.

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05-29-2011, 09:47 AM
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If Z-Bad is still around by pick 10, please please PLEASE trade up and grab him.


A recent mock draft has the Rangers selecting Scheifele at 15 (Z-Bad went 10th overall to the Wild in this mock).

http://www.mynhldraft.com/NHL-Mock-Draft/

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05-29-2011, 10:44 AM
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If Z-Bad is still around by pick 10, please please PLEASE trade up and grab him.


A recent mock draft has the Rangers selecting Scheifele at 15 (Z-Bad went 10th overall to the Wild in this mock).

http://www.mynhldraft.com/NHL-Mock-Draft/

Haha! I love how they have Jets instead of the Thrashers

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05-29-2011, 10:53 AM
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I think if the Rangers want McNeil, they would have to move up past Carolina, who I feel will defnitely be taking McNeail @ 12, so pick 11 makes sense to trade for.

I coud see the Rangers moving up big time to get Zibenjad, though.
I don't think McNeil will go that high though. And the great thing about this draft, is that there are a lot of players around the same level.

I mean lets go through the players that SHOULD be gone by 10:
Nugent-Hopkins
Huberdeau
Hamilton
Larsson
Landeskog
Couturier

Thats (6) players right there. So if the Rangers stay at#15 who will they be seeing? Well there are 8 picks before #15:

Murphy
Zibanejad
Strome
Siemens
Schiefele
McNeil
Armia
Bartschi
Biggs(ew)
Oleksiak
Puempel
Beaulieu
Rattie

To me, unless someone reaches, those are the next 13 players who will go. Would people REALLY be that upset over getting anyone on that list EXCEPT Biggs?

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Atlanta moving to Winnipeg, does that help or hurt our chances for possibly moving up to the 7th position for Strome?

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05-29-2011, 11:28 AM
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I don't think McNeil will go that high though. And the great thing about this draft, is that there are a lot of players around the same level.

I mean lets go through the players that SHOULD be gone by 10:
Nugent-Hopkins
Huberdeau
Hamilton
Larsson
Landeskog
Couturier

Thats (6) players right there. So if the Rangers stay at#15 who will they be seeing? Well there are 8 picks before #15:

Murphy
Zibanejad
Strome
Siemens
Schiefele
McNeil
Armia
Bartschi
Biggs(ew)
Oleksiak
Puempel
Beaulieu
Rattie

To me, unless someone reaches, those are the next 13 players who will go. Would people REALLY be that upset over getting anyone on that list EXCEPT Biggs?
You could probably add Klefbom to that list.

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05-29-2011, 11:33 AM
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I don't think McNeil will go that high though. And the great thing about this draft, is that there are a lot of players around the same level.

I mean lets go through the players that SHOULD be gone by 10:
Nugent-Hopkins
Huberdeau
Hamilton
Larsson
Landeskog
Couturier

Thats (6) players right there. So if the Rangers stay at#15 who will they be seeing? Well there are 8 picks before #15:

Murphy
Zibanejad
Strome
Siemens
Schiefele
McNeil
Armia
Bartschi
Biggs(ew)
Oleksiak
Puempel
Beaulieu
Rattie

To me, unless someone reaches, those are the next 13 players who will go. Would people REALLY be that upset over getting anyone on that list EXCEPT Biggs?
If I were to guess the 14 who would be gone by the time we picked they would be Nugent-Hopkins, Larsson, Landeskog, Couturier, Huberdeau, Strome, Zibanejad, Hamilton, Murphy, Armia (thoughts that Minnesota might take him since they drafted Granlund last year), Siemens, Schiefele, Beaulieu and McNeill.

That would leave us choosing between Bartschi, Puempel, Grimaldi, Biggs, Khocklachev, Miller, Phillips, Oleksiak and I'm having a hard time figuring who would be the best choice out of all that--lots of if's. Not much of a problem for me if the Rangers get to choose one off the top 14--after that I don't know.

As for Biggs--since you asked--I don't think I'd have a huge problem with that choice. He's got a bit of pedigree--and from what I've heard he's a good character on and off the ice--I just don't like him as much as the top 14.

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Out of those ^, I'd take Barstchi, no questions asked. He's ranked 11th by ISS, and is the 7th ranked NA skater by CSS.

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05-29-2011, 11:56 AM
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I would love it if the Rangers added Barstchi and somehow traded their two second round picks to get in the 20-30 overall range and added Khocklachev.

I think that would be a very successful draft in my opinion. Those picks and just swing for the fences with the later round picks.

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Armia (thoughts that Minnesota might take him since they drafted Granlund last year)
Do you also think that the Thrashers will take Koko because they drafted a Russian player last year? NHL teams don't draft players by nationality.


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Do you also think that the Threshers will take Koko because they drafted a Russian player last year? NHL teams don't draft players by nationality.
If they played well together on their respective national teams, it could make sense to base their pick off that, especially if there is no clear-cut BPA when their selection comes up.

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