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05-23-2011, 06:36 PM
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I would give up a 3rd for him. If he doesn't work out, no big deal. We gave up a 3rd for Boyle and that worked out pretty well so far.
Don't have a 3rd this year since we traded it for McCabe.

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I want a Avery-Boyle-Prust line. I think they would work well together

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Ladd is a pipe-dream I think. I am thinking someone along the lines of a Gagne, Jokinen, Sullivan type of player is going to be brought in as depth and experience.
Didn't the Thrashers just make Ladd the captain this year? I think they're going to do anything that they can to hold on to him. I'd love Gagne though - he's got the kind of talent that this team sorely lacks. Does anyone think that he'd be willing to be a Ranger after a decade in Philly?

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Didn't the Thrashers just make Ladd the captain this year? I think they're going to do anything that they can to hold on to him. I'd love Gagne though - he's got the kind of talent that this team sorely lacks. Does anyone think that he'd be willing to be a Ranger after a decade in Philly?
There's rumors that Ladd wants no part of Winnipeg.

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I expect a few players aren't going to want to play in the Peg, personally. Something to be on the lookout for, for sure.

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Bu-dump-a-bump.

Here's what the lineup looks like going into next season:

XXXX-XXXX-Gaborik
Dubinsky(RFA)-Anisimov(RFA)-Callahan(RFA
Wolski(buyout?)-Stepan-Zuccarello?
XXXX(Fedotenko?)-Boyle(RFA)-Prust

Staal-Girardi
McDonagh-Sauer(RFA)
Del Zotto(?)-XXXX
Gilroy(?)

Lundqvist
Biron

Now, that lineup has a lot of holes to fill. Some of them will be filled with prospects from within the organization, and some will be filled with UFAs/trades. Here's what we can realistically expect:

Dubinsky re-signed - 5 years, $20MM. $3.5MM, $3.5MM, $4.0MM, $4.5MM, $4.5MM. $4MM cap hit. LNTC.
Callahan re-signed - 5 years, $20MM. $3MM, $4MM, $4MM, $4.5MM, $4.5MM. $4MM cap hit. NMC.
Anisimov re-signed - 2 years, $3.9MM. $1.7MM, $2.2MM. ~$1.95MM cap hit.
Sauer re-signed - 3 years, $4.7MM. $1.2MM, $1.5MM, $2MM. ~$1.5MM cap hit.
Boyle re-signed - 1 year, $1.5MM.
Fedotenko re-signed - 2 years, $2.5MM. $1.25MM cap hit. Modified NTC.
Buyout Wolski - $466k cap hit in '11-12, $666k cap hit in '12-13.
Re-sign Prospal - 1 year, $1.5MM. NTC, bonuses.
Maybe re-sign Gilroy - 1 year, $1MM.

So we'd have this:

Prospal-XXXX-Gaborik
Dubinsky-Anisimov-Callahan
XXXX-Stepan-Zuccarello
Fedotenko-Boyle-Prust

Staal-Girardi
McDonagh-Sauer
Del Zotto?-XXXX
Gilroy

Lundqvist
Biron

Who do we fill the holes with, fellow HFers? I would say Richards, Hagelin, and Adrian Auicoin, but I can't use the CapGeek calculator to figure out how to add these players and determine the cap space, unfortunately. It's be a solid team, IMO.

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05-29-2011, 07:42 AM
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Bu-dump-a-bump.

Here's what the lineup looks like going into next season:

XXXX-XXXX-Gaborik
Dubinsky(RFA)-Anisimov(RFA)-Callahan(RFA
Wolski(buyout?)-Stepan-Zuccarello?
XXXX(Fedotenko?)-Boyle(RFA)-Prust

Staal-Girardi
McDonagh-Sauer(RFA)
Del Zotto(?)-XXXX
Gilroy(?)

Lundqvist
Biron

Now, that lineup has a lot of holes to fill. Some of them will be filled with prospects from within the organization, and some will be filled with UFAs/trades. Here's what we can realistically expect:

Dubinsky re-signed - 5 years, $20MM. $3.5MM, $3.5MM, $4.0MM, $4.5MM, $4.5MM. $4MM cap hit. LNTC.
Callahan re-signed - 5 years, $20MM. $3MM, $4MM, $4MM, $4.5MM, $4.5MM. $4MM cap hit. NMC.
Anisimov re-signed - 2 years, $3.9MM. $1.7MM, $2.2MM. ~$1.95MM cap hit.
Sauer re-signed - 3 years, $4.7MM. $1.2MM, $1.5MM, $2MM. ~$1.5MM cap hit.
Boyle re-signed - 1 year, $1.5MM.
Fedotenko re-signed - 2 years, $2.5MM. $1.25MM cap hit. Modified NTC.
Buyout Wolski - $466k cap hit in '11-12, $666k cap hit in '12-13.
Re-sign Prospal - 1 year, $1.5MM. NTC, bonuses.
Maybe re-sign Gilroy - 1 year, $1MM.

So we'd have this:

Prospal-XXXX-Gaborik
Dubinsky-Anisimov-Callahan
XXXX-Stepan-Zuccarello
Fedotenko-Boyle-Prust

Staal-Girardi
McDonagh-Sauer
Del Zotto?-XXXX
Gilroy

Lundqvist
Biron

Who do we fill the holes with, fellow HFers? I would say Richards, Hagelin, and Adrian Auicoin, but I can't use the CapGeek calculator to figure out how to add these players and determine the cap space, unfortunately. It's be a solid team, IMO.
Avery is fairly likely to be on the roster in some capacity as well--though like Wolski there's a maybe he'll get bought out.

Richards is target No. 1.

After him I'd target a free agent d-man in this order 1. Bieksa 2. Erhoff 3. Pitkanen 4. Wisniewski 5. Ian White. They are all in their 20's--though Bieksa turns 30 next year. Doesn't hurt the youth direction of the team. The best teams have 3 good pairings. This would help us get there. Some of these guys especially Erhoff could help us a lot on the pwp--an area that needs improvement.


If we can't get one of these guys someone like Jokinen would be a good pickup.
Would like very much if Fedetenko returned.

Another player I'd be interested in who shouldn't cost much would be Buffalo's Cody McCormick. Instead of a goon to replace Boogaard. He's 28. Not really an enforcer--he would still give Prust a kind of backup. McCormick is a heart and soul guy who stands up for his teammates. He also had something like 20 points in a 4th line role last year--acceptable numbers.

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05-29-2011, 07:50 AM
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In all honestly, I actually forgot about Avery. Drury, too. Consider him as well, although he'll most likely be bought out along with Wolski, or traded for a player like Mike Commodore.

Agreed on McCormick. He's basically a RH version of Prust.


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05-29-2011, 08:18 AM
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After actually calculating Avery's buyout...it's essentially meaningless:

Sean Avery buyout from CapGeek.com
  • 2011-12: $1,208,333MM
  • 2012-13: $1,333,333MM
I'd rather spend the extra 700k and keep him, honestly.

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05-29-2011, 09:58 AM
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After actually calculating Avery's buyout...it's essentially meaningless:

Sean Avery buyout from CapGeek.com
  • 2011-12: $1,208,333MM
  • 2012-13: $1,333,333MM
I'd rather spend the extra 700k and keep him, honestly.
I think if we buy him out we split that cap hit with Dallas, so it would only be half of those numbers. But I could be wrong about that.

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I think if we buy him out we split that cap hit with Dallas, so it would only be half of those numbers. But I could be wrong about that.
You would be correct. Looking closer:

PLEASE NOTE: Because Avery was acquired off reentry waivers, the "buyout" and "buyout cap hit" columns appearing below are split between the waiving and claiming team.

Eh. I guess I would be ok with ~$604k and ~$665k cap hits.

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05-29-2011, 10:03 AM
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Avery is a waste of time.

There is a thread explaining the Avery buyout

Even Capgeek mentions it

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PLEASE NOTE: Because Avery was acquired off reentry waivers, the "buyout" and "buyout cap hit" columns appearing below are split between the waiving and claiming team.
http://capgeek.com/buyout_calculator.php?player_id=638

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I think sather has to figure out Drury first. If he's buyin him out, I don't think he buys out Avery. Wolski still could happen but I doubt you'd see all 3 of Drury, Avery and Wolski bought out.

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To me, I would go into next year like this:

Dubinsky-Richards-Callahan
Boyle-Anisimov-Gaborik
Kreider-Stepan-MZA
Fedotenko-Konopka-Prust
Christensen, Weise

Staal-Girardi
McDonagh-Bieksa
Valentenko-Sauer
Eminger

Hank
Biron

I would also consider Eric Brewer on defense as a veteran for the 2nd pairing.

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Rangers trade 2nd round pick(#57)to the Dallas Stars for the negotiation rights to Brad Richards.

Rangers sign Richards to an eight year SPC worth $50M.

11-12 $10M salary-$8M payed on July 1,2011
12-13 $8M salary-$6M payed on July 1,2012
13-14 $8M
14-15-$7M
15-16-$7M
16-17-$5M
17-18 $3M
18-19 $2M

NMC first 5 years of the contract. Limited NTC in the last 3 years. Picks 8 teams he won't play for.

Matt Gilroy-2 years/$2.5M

Sign Chris Kreider. 3 year ELC. $900,000 max. $270,000 signing bonus. $300,000 in performance bonuses. $1.2M cap number.

Place Sean Avery and Wojtek Wolski on waivers to begin the buyout process. Rangers save $4,666,666 in space. $1.07M cap hit in 11-12 and $1,333,333 cap hit in 12-13

Rangers trade Chris Drury to Columbus for Mike Commodore. Drury AGREES TO WAIVE NMC AFTER COLUMBUS AGREES TO BUY HIM OUT. Drury is a cheaper buyout than Commodore. Columbus saves $1.2M in real money.

Re-sign
Brandon Dubinsky and Ryan Callahan-$4M
AA-2 years/$4M
Boyle-$1.7M/3 years/$5.1M
Sauer-2 years/$3M

Fedotenko-1 year/$1M.

Christensen is swapped for a late round pick and fringe AHL prospect.

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Brandon Dubinsky ($4.000m) / Brad Richards ($6.250m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
Ruslan Fedotenko ($1.000m) / Derek Stepan ($0.875m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.000m)
Wojtek Wolski ($0.466m) / Artem Anisimov ($2.000m) / Brandon Prust ($0.800m)
Sean Avery ($0.604m) / Brian Boyle ($1.700m)

DEFENSEMEN
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Daniel Girardi ($3.325m)
Ryan McDonagh ($1.300m) / Matt Gilroy ($1.250m)
Michael Del Zotto ($1.087m) / Mike Sauer ($1.500m)
/ Mike Commodore ($3.750m)

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m) / Martin Biron ($0.875m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $63,500,000; CAP PAYROLL: $53,133,334; BONUSES: $637,500
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $10,366,666

Commodore comes off on the last day of training camp but he counts on the summer cap along with a few other players including Redden. The Rangers will take a cap penalty for the bonuses.

Look at the other group II's who might be available. Troy Brouwer. Blake Wheeler. Brouwer would be a perfect fit. Chicago might not be able to afford him. Joel Queeneville is not a big Brouwer fan. Only issue is his shoulder surgery. $2.5-$3M.

Still need to fill out the remainder of the roster. 3 more forwards and 1 more D.

Have enough money to add some pieces later in the summer or during the season. There is no bonus cushion.

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$2.5MM-$3.0MM for Brouwer? I'd rather Zuccarello play 3rd line RW than overpay a marginal 2nd/3rd line forward.

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Still sticking with this as my preferred lineup:

Dubinsky-Richards-Gaborik
Prospal-Anisimov-Callahan
Hagelin-Stepan-MZA
Fedotenko-Boyle-Prust

Staal-Girardi
McDonagh-Sauer
Valentenko-UFA

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$2.5MM-$3.0MM for Brouwer? I'd rather Zuccarello play 3rd line RW than overpay a marginal 2nd/3rd line forward.
This.

Zuccarello played 42 NHL games this, his first, season and put up 23 points in addition to the AHL games he played. A very respectable pace of 45 points over 82 games for a rookie. His previous high in games played in a season was 55 in the SEL. He averages 14:10 of ice time (essentially third line minutes).

For an offensively inept team, it's absolutely baffling that so many are writing Zuccarello off. Yeah, he's small, but he still produced, and has even more potential. Unless we find an embarrassment of riches in RW depth over the summer, the 3rd line RW spot should be Zuccarello's to lose in camp.

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Still sticking with this as my preferred lineup:

Dubinsky-Richards-Gaborik
Prospal-Anisimov-Callahan
Hagelin-Stepan-MZA
Fedotenko-Boyle-Prust

Staal-Girardi
McDonagh-Sauer
Valentenko-UFA

Lundqvist
Biron
Minor changes from your lineup bolded, but pretty close.

Dubinsky-Richards-Gaborik
Prospal-Anisimov-Callahan
Fedotenko-Stepan-MZA
Avery-Boyle-Prust
Weise*

Staal-Girardi
McDonagh-Sauer
Valentenko-Eminger/Gilroy
Eminger/Gilroy/UFA**

Lundqvist
Biron

*I think it's presumptuous to pencil Hagelin into a lineup spot -- if he proves he's one of the top LWs in camp then you can bump Avery to extra forward, but until that point, I wouldn't include him in lineups.

**I'm not prepared to write Del Zotto off, and if he makes it out of camp, Valentenko slides to the 7th d or right side with Eminger/Gilroy dropping down. Unlike Hagelin, Valentenko is no longer waiver exempt, so I don't have a problem with penciling him into one of the bottom 3 D spots, because you'd risk losing him via waivers if he doesn't make the team.

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Still sticking with this as my preferred lineup:

Dubinsky-Richards-Gaborik
Prospal-Anisimov-Callahan
Hagelin-Stepan-MZA
Fedotenko-Boyle-Prust

Staal-Girardi
McDonagh-Sauer
Valentenko-UFA

Lundqvist
Biron
Agree with that in every aspect - the re-signing of Prospal being the most interesting thing.

I see so many lineups with virtual pipedreams in that top 6 left wing spot (Krieider, Brian Boyle, an expensive Wolski, an unlikely free agent/trade acquisition), when probably the best option for the upcoming season is in-house in Vinny Prospal. He'll command another cheap 1 year deal with bonuses, and he played pretty damn well upon his return last season. The guy is a consummate pro, and if he gets injured/cant perform, then you move onto plan B.

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Rangers trade 2nd round pick(#57)to the Dallas Stars for the negotiation rights to Brad Richards.

Rangers sign Richards to an eight year SPC worth $50M.

11-12 $10M salary-$8M payed on July 1,2011
12-13 $8M salary-$6M payed on July 1,2012
13-14 $8M
14-15-$7M
15-16-$7M
16-17-$5M
17-18 $3M
18-19 $2M

NMC first 5 years of the contract. Limited NTC in the last 3 years. Picks 8 teams he won't play for.

Matt Gilroy-2 years/$2.5M

Sign Chris Kreider. 3 year ELC. $900,000 max. $270,000 signing bonus. $300,000 in performance bonuses. $1.2M cap number.

Place Sean Avery and Wojtek Wolski on waivers to begin the buyout process. Rangers save $4,666,666 in space. $1.07M cap hit in 11-12 and $1,333,333 cap hit in 12-13

Rangers trade Chris Drury to Columbus for Mike Commodore. Drury AGREES TO WAIVE NMC AFTER COLUMBUS AGREES TO BUY HIM OUT. Drury is a cheaper buyout than Commodore. Columbus saves $1.2M in real money.

Re-sign
Brandon Dubinsky and Ryan Callahan-$4M
AA-2 years/$4M
Boyle-$1.7M/3 years/$5.1M
Sauer-2 years/$3M

Fedotenko-1 year/$1M.

Christensen is swapped for a late round pick and fringe AHL prospect.

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Brandon Dubinsky ($4.000m) / Brad Richards ($6.250m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
Ruslan Fedotenko ($1.000m) / Derek Stepan ($0.875m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.000m)
Wojtek Wolski ($0.466m) / Artem Anisimov ($2.000m) / Brandon Prust ($0.800m)
Sean Avery ($0.604m) / Brian Boyle ($1.700m)

DEFENSEMEN
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Daniel Girardi ($3.325m)
Ryan McDonagh ($1.300m) / Matt Gilroy ($1.250m)
Michael Del Zotto ($1.087m) / Mike Sauer ($1.500m)
/ Mike Commodore ($3.750m)

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m) / Martin Biron ($0.875m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $63,500,000; CAP PAYROLL: $53,133,334; BONUSES: $637,500
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $10,366,666

Commodore comes off on the last day of training camp but he counts on the summer cap along with a few other players including Redden. The Rangers will take a cap penalty for the bonuses.

Look at the other group II's who might be available. Troy Brouwer. Blake Wheeler. Brouwer would be a perfect fit. Chicago might not be able to afford him. Joel Queeneville is not a big Brouwer fan. Only issue is his shoulder surgery. $2.5-$3M.

Still need to fill out the remainder of the roster. 3 more forwards and 1 more D.

Have enough money to add some pieces later in the summer or during the season. There is no bonus cushion.
I can see buying out Avery if we brought in someone like McCormick--essentially another 4th liner with grit. After Prust there was no one other than Avery who drops the gloves very much and Sean just because of his size is not much. McCormick is not the greatest fighter either but Rangers need someone other than Prust and McCormick (like Prust) really sticks up for his teammates. Younger but not quite as skilled as Avery but there would be less distractions and we could get past the Torts/Avery love/hate affair.

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I can see buying out Avery if we brought in someone like McCormick--essentially another 4th liner with grit. After Prust there was no one other than Avery who drops the gloves very much and Sean just because of his size is not much. McCormick is not the greatest fighter either but Rangers need someone other than Prust and McCormick (like Prust) really sticks up for his teammates. Younger but not quite as skilled as Avery but there would be less distractions and we could get past the Torts/Avery love/hate affair.
WHY???? Why does this (largely false) idea that the Rangers 'need someone to protect his teammates' continue to permeate this board in the year 2011? How many teammates did Jody Shelley, Donald Brashear, and Derek Boogaard protect?

And framing that argument with Avery as a central figure? Who does he protect? Who does he fight? The answer is noone, and players that are his size/dont drop the gloves regularly. In fact, with his traditionally stupid antics, hes put more teammates in harms way than hes helped.

The 4th line/spare forward spot in the lineup that Avery would be challenging for is literally the last thing Im worried about. Put a goon there, put a skill player there - I dont care....just make sure its cheap. Thats an initial strike against Avery.

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I would pursue McCormick if we don't re-sign Boyle - I don't see why we wouldn't, unless he prices himself out, which would surprise me, honestly.

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Last year, the Rangers invited Fedotenko to camp on September 10th and signed him on October 4th. I'd like to see the Rangers do something like that again this off season. Hold off on signing depth guys until camp starts, when Redden will be waived or gone for good.

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Last year, the Rangers invited Fedotenko to camp on September 10th and signed him on October 4th. I'd like to see the Rangers do something like that again this off season. Hold off on signing depth guys until camp starts, when Redden will be waived or gone for good.
I may be thinking simple but rather only buy out drury then sign Richards and rfas. Let ufas go including gilroy. If vtank must go through waivers he sticks

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