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05-29-2011, 02:55 PM
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Why not?

To Fla:
6th overall
2nd (48th)

To Ott:
3rd overall
R. Olesz

Fla get rid of a bad contract and only move down 3 spots, they also get a 2nd. Olesz is a tough pill for the Sens, but he could somehow turn it around. They get the 3rd to have a better chance of landing who they want.

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05-29-2011, 03:01 PM
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i like it

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05-29-2011, 03:03 PM
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Why not?

To Fla:
6th overall
2nd (48th)

To Ott:
3rd overall
R. Olesz

Fla get rid of a bad contract and only move down 3 spots, they also get a 2nd. Olesz is a tough pill for the Sens, but he could somehow turn it around. They get the 3rd to have a better chance of landing who they want.
Easily done. $3.125m is not that bad, the kid's only 25, and if he doesn't do anything, waive his ass and have Melnyk pay him.

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05-29-2011, 03:03 PM
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As a Sens Fan,

I'd do it.

Olesz and Michalek can be paired together once again

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I've seen worse, but this draft has a tier of talent at the top with no projected elite talents amongst them. Our pick is just fine, your pick isn't much better and we shouldn't be willing to give you much value for it.

Pick the 2nd rounder or the salary dump, not both.

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05-29-2011, 03:08 PM
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it's all dependent on who Florida has on their mind.

If they really like Hamilton, Strome, Murphy, Ziba

they will trade down

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05-29-2011, 03:11 PM
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I've seen worse, but this draft has a tier of talent at the top with no projected elite talents amongst them. Our pick is just fine, your pick isn't much better and we shouldn't be willing to give you much value for it.

Pick the 2nd rounder or the salary dump, not both.
It's a 25 year old who is a former top 10 pick. I don't know what he ever did to earn a $3.125m / year salary, but anyway, I don't see it as being that bad. At worst, he fills a spot on the 3rd line.

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05-29-2011, 03:21 PM
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It's a 25 year old who is a former top 10 pick. I don't know what he ever did to earn a $3.125m / year salary, but anyway, I don't see it as being that bad. At worst, he fills a spot on the 3rd line.
He's a talented, hardworking kid who killed penalties for Jacques Martin at 19-20 yo. His talent was a given as a high pick, but it turned out that's the part of his game that failed him. $3.1M for 3 years isn't crippling, but how much do you want to overpay for something that isn't worth much?

Regardless, I still don't see much point in moving our top pick up. This is a tier of mtalent without any stars and I don't feel the need to move up and pick some random guy amongst the tier.

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05-29-2011, 03:25 PM
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He's a talented, hardworking kid who killed penalties for Jacques Martin at 19-20 yo. His talent was a given as a high pick, but it turned out that's the part of his game that failed him. $3.1M for 3 years isn't crippling, but how much do you want to overpay for something that isn't worth much?

Regardless, I still don't see much point in moving our top pick up. This is a tier of mtalent without any stars and I don't feel the need to move up and pick some random guy amongst the tier.
If it means we get Huberdeau instead of Ryan Strome, I'm totally fine with the deal.

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05-29-2011, 03:32 PM
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If it means we get Huberdeau instead of Ryan Strome, I'm totally fine with the deal.
... and in a tier like this, that could mean Kyle Turris instead of Sam Gagner.
How much do you pay for that exchange? A 2nd and a $3.1M salary? ... Nope.

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... and in a tier like this, that could mean Kyle Turris instead of Sam Gagner.
How much do you pay for that exchange? A 2nd and a $3.1M salary? ... Nope.
Kyle Turris would have been fine had he not been rushed to the NHL

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Easily done. $3.125m is not that bad, the kid's only 25, and if he doesn't do anything, waive his ass and have Melnyk pay him.
Has Melnyk shown any signs of tiring for the bad contracts he has to keep paying out.

He had to eat Cheechoo to get rid of Heatley.

Paying Kovalev to not care about playing hockey.

Being the golden parachute for Segei Gonchar.

There is spending to be the best, and just setting your money on fire.

Murray seems to enjoy the later with Mel's money.

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05-29-2011, 04:01 PM
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uhh, I don't think paying someone to take a contract off your hands is going to involve sending the 3rd overall pick with them.

Thanks, but no thanks.
Ridiculous proposal.

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uhh, I don't think paying someone to take a contract off your hands is going to involve sending the 3rd overall pick with them.

Thanks, but no thanks.
Ridiculous proposal.
How is it ridiculous? Salary dump, move down only 3 spots and gain a 2nd rounder.

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05-29-2011, 04:34 PM
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How is it ridiculous? Salary dump, move down only 3 spots and gain a 2nd rounder.
Because tell me the last time someone traded the 3rd overall pick (or something even remotely close to it) as a part of a salary dump?
That's why.

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05-29-2011, 04:39 PM
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Because tell me the last time someone traded the 3rd overall pick (or something even remotely close to it) as a part of a salary dump?
That's why.
So by your logic, doing something that has never been done before or hasn't been done in recent memory is ridiculous?

As for this deal, it looks fine for both sides IMO.

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05-29-2011, 04:53 PM
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Very fair and I'd do it.
I don't think the argument that Olesz' negative value should remove the 2nd holds here. Olesz could probably return a 4th or something

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Because tell me the last time someone traded the 3rd overall pick (or something even remotely close to it) as a part of a salary dump?
That's why.
I personally have never seen anything of this nature either, which automatically makes it impossible to happen.

To the OP, I like it. Olesz WILL NOT break out, but if Landeskog is available I would easily bite the bullet. Is that even an expression?

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... and in a tier like this, that could mean Kyle Turris instead of Sam Gagner.
How much do you pay for that exchange? A 2nd and a $3.1M salary? ... Nope.
Kyle Turris is going to be a really great hockey player... 30-35G 70Pts as soon as next season.

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Kyle Turris is going to be a really great hockey player... 30-35G 70Pts as soon as next season.
Agreed.

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05-29-2011, 05:20 PM
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What a few of you people aren't understanding is..

You can get rid of a salary dump without having to trade the 3rd overall pick. If you're trading the 3rd overall pick, you're maximizing it's return, not piddling off a contract that you can do in another deal.

Believing the 3rd overall pick is going to be exchanged in a salary dump type deal is preposterous. I don't care if the "value" is there or not- it's not going to happen.

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What a few of you people aren't understanding is..

You can get rid of a salary dump without having to trade the 3rd overall pick. If you're trading the 3rd overall pick, you're maximizing it's return, not piddling off a contract that you can do in another deal.

Believing the 3rd overall pick is going to be exchanged in a salary dump type deal is preposterous. I don't care if the "value" is there or not- it's not going to happen.
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Hahaha, unrealistic trade.

I'm sure the Panthers would rather buy him out than give up the 3rd overall to have him traded off the team.

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I'm going to have to agree with Broc, you don't move the 3rd overall pick on a rebuilding team in order to dump a bad but not horrible contract. Moving out of 3rd OA to 6th means you miss out on Larsson, Landeskog, Huberdeau, or Couturier. So it is a significant downgrade. The 2nd has value, but not when you're talking about top rung picks like the 3rd.

As for moving Olesz, I'm sure they wouldn't be opposed to it, but Florida can't afford to lose what little offence they have. I could see Olesz and a 2nd for downgrade and less cap hit, but the Panthers are going to be sitting at the cap floor even with Olesz so it's not like his cap hit prevents them from making any additions to the team.

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