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05-29-2011, 08:24 PM
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2011 5th round pick

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15th Overall pick

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05-29-2011, 08:25 PM
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Mats Zuccarello
15th Overall pick
That's a trade that the Commissioner in my keeper's league would laugh over.

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05-29-2011, 08:26 PM
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Clarke MacArthur (signed)
Matt Lashoff
2011 5th round pick

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Mats Zuccarello
15th Overall pick
I hope this was an attempt to rile up BlueCollarBlueBlood, because that's not a very good trade for the Rags

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05-29-2011, 08:32 PM
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What would it take to bring in Filatov?
cbus is in need of an offensive deliver the mail kind of defenseman

NY has one of those in Del Zotto

I think that would be enough to get the talks started

not sure how many rangers fans want to part with MDZ, however Filatov seems to have a ton of upside

cbus does have John Moore in the pipeline or they can try and sign a free agent

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05-29-2011, 08:33 PM
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cbus is in need of an offensive deliver the mail kind of defenseman

NY has one of those in Del Zotto

I think that would be enough to get the talks started

not sure how many rangers fans want to part with MDZ, however Filatov seems to have a ton of upside

cbus does have John Moore in the pipeline or they can try and sign a free agent
Del Zotto for Filatov? Big no thanks.

Filatov is much too much of a risk to trade the club's only legitimate puck-mover for. I'd give up pick #57 for him, at most.

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05-29-2011, 08:39 PM
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Del Zotto for Filatov? Big no thanks.

Filatov is much too much of a risk to trade the club's only legitimate puck-mover for. I'd give up pick #57 for him, at most.
I tend to agree with you

I think MDZ should be an important piece of the team if not this upcoming season than the one after that.

I simply pointed out what it would take to get cbus talking.

I think if cbus is going to trade Filatov than its for a puck moving dman only. So the offer of a pick results in hearing a dial tone

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05-29-2011, 08:45 PM
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Del Zotto for Filatov? Big no thanks.

Filatov is much too much of a risk to trade the club's only legitimate puck-mover for. I'd give up pick #57 for him, at most.
Del Zotto's becoming a bit of a risk himself.

The Rangers have been pretty conservative over the last few years, and it's paid off well, but this might be the right spot to try to hit a homerun.

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Del Zotto's becoming a bit of a risk himself.

The Rangers have been pretty conservative over the last few years, and it's paid off well, but this might be the right spot to try to hit a homerun.
Del Zotto is much less of a risk than Filatov.

He had a down sophomore season, after putting up 37 points as a 19 year old. Filatov has done, what, exactly? Other than score a hat trick, he's been nearly irrelevant at he NHL level.

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05-29-2011, 09:45 PM
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I'd do DZ for Filatov in a heartbeat. You'd be crazy not to.

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05-29-2011, 09:49 PM
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I'd do DZ for Filatov in a heartbeat. You'd be crazy not to.
Why? I'd understand if you'd be okay with DZ for Filatov, but "in a heartbeat"? That makes no sense to me.

They're both from the same draft. 2008. Filatov drafted 6th, Del Zotto, 20th. Thus far, Del Zotto is a far more valuable commodity than Filatov, who has done next to nothing at the NHL level, let alone in the AHL. Yeah, he's talented, but so if Nik Zherdev, and so is Wojtek Wolski. Talent won't get you anywhere, provided you don't have the drive or the hockey smarts to do so.

I'd rather try and do something around MDZ and Voracek; a player who is currently a young, very solid NHLer. We'd have to add, but Voracek is proven.

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Because Filatov has the potential to be an all-star talent while Del Zotto has the potential to be a one-dimensional offensive defenseman. You always make these deals if it presents itself. It's actually crazy that Filatov is not in the NHL right now. Columbus has not tried to fit him in their lineup at all. It's a disgrace actually. And please don't start with the "he has no heart/drive argument." If you look at what scouts said and still say, they say he is a true leader and works hard on and off the ice, something that cannot be said of Wolski and Zherdev.

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05-29-2011, 09:54 PM
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Agreed with that Boyle fella.

If you are judging them based on pure talent levels then Filatov would be 5 tiers above MDZ in ability, along with people like Zherdev and Wolski.

However in this league you not only need the talent but you also need the desire and drive to put in the work to harness those talents. So far all I have seen out of Filatov is the ability to ***** really well when the coach says something he doesn't like while at the same time MDZ was willing to go down to the AHL to improve his game and put in the work. I think that's what sets MDZ above Filatov right now.

I would love to have someone like Voracek on the Rangers. Even though he digressed some last year he seems to have passing ability like Claude Giroux somewhere in him and would love to potentially put him on a line with Richards and Gaborik.

Or worse case scenario, CBJ could always send us that scrub Nash

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05-29-2011, 09:57 PM
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Because Filatov has the potential to be an all-star talent while Del Zotto has the potential to be a one-dimensional offensive defenseman. You always make these deals if it presents itself. It's actually crazy that Filatov is not in the NHL right now. Columbus has not tried to fit him in their lineup at all. It's a disgrace actually. And please don't start with the "he has no heart/drive argument." If you look at what scouts said and still say, they say he is a true leader and works hard on and off the ice, something that cannot be said of Wolski and Zherdev.
Filatov isn't in the NHL right now because he doesn't deserve to be in the NHL. How is Filatov this potential All-Star, while Del Zotto is "a one-dimensional offensive defenseman"? A lot of supposed one-dimensional defenseman make All-Star squads year in and year out. Del Zotto is a potential 50 point defenseman, and someone who has already produced at the NHL level. Filatov isn't even willing to go into the AHL to develop his game, he thinks he's entitled to an NHL spot. Awful, awful attitude.

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05-29-2011, 10:09 PM
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Filatov isn't in the NHL right now because he doesn't deserve to be in the NHL. How is Filatov this potential All-Star, while Del Zotto is "a one-dimensional offensive defenseman"? A lot of supposed one-dimensional defenseman make All-Star squads year in and year out. Del Zotto is a potential 50 point defenseman, and someone who has already produced at the NHL level. Filatov isn't even willing to go into the AHL to develop his game, he thinks he's entitled to an NHL spot. Awful, awful attitude.
Because he is entitled to an NHL spot...He's a potential game changer while DZ just isn't. He did go to the AHL, but was loaned to a better team in a better league filled with men where he still played well. Columbus has treated him like absolute **** and in my opinion he has handled everything in a perfectly legitimate manner.

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2011 5th round pick

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15th Overall pick
LOL

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05-29-2011, 10:24 PM
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Because he is entitled to an NHL spot...He's a potential game changer while DZ just isn't. He did go to the AHL, but was loaned to a better team in a better league filled with men where he still played well. Columbus has treated him like absolute **** and in my opinion he has handled everything in a perfectly legitimate manner.
How is he entitled to an NHL spot, and, again, how is he a "game changer" and Del Zotto isn't? If Filatov was such a "game changer", he'd be in the NHL right now, and he's have more than 6 goals in 44 games. He has 1st line potential, yes, but the chances he reaches that potential, as of this moment, are very slim. Del Zotto is a much safer choice, and he's still a supremely talented defenseman.

As for Columbus' handling of Filatov, why would they play him in the NHL if he isn't playing to NHL standards? They've handled him fine. He should have been in the AHL for the past two years, but developing his game is a waste of time, apparently.

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To NYR
Clarke MacArthur (signed)
Matt Lashoff
2011 5th round pick

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Mats Zuccarello
15th Overall pick


MacArthur has had one good season. One. He is not Gretzky now.

Zuccarello (on an 82 game pace) would have had 12 goals, 32 assists, 44 pts in his ROOKIE YEAR.

Lashoff is garbage, nobody wants him. A 5th round pick does not equal a first round pick.

AWFUL proposal.

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I was just about to propose Filatov + Russell for MDZ + prospect/salary dump.

Dunno if that'd be a desirable package though.

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I was just about to propose Filatov + Russell for MDZ + prospect/salary dump.

Dunno if that'd be a desirable package though.
I would consider this, as Russell has solid potential. The dump just makes it better.

Although I'd prefer MDZ+ for Voracek.

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05-29-2011, 11:12 PM
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I would consider this, as Russell has solid potential. The dump just makes it better.

Although I'd prefer MDZ+ for Voracek.
Right but Voracek doesn't fit the need that the OP stated and I don't think CBJ would trade Jake for MDZ. He's almost exclusively a right winger, is left handed, and his future contract situation is unclear due to his being an RFA.

Reason I stated this isn't because of Russell's potential but because he'd be a more than adequate stop gap for the loss of MDZ. He wouldn't really be missed in Columbus if MDZ, Moore, Savard, and our 1st this year come along moderately well.

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Heatley for Drury + Mcdonagh
No, agree with the quote following, which was:
No thanks. Heatley's a cancer wherever he goes. Drury's contract is only one more year.

And McDonagh will likely be a top pairing d-man in the next few years.

However, I think Heatley could be moved here if you made it worth our while:

Assuming Drury waives NMC,
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something along these basic lines

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The Oilers can't help you out with the lw, but I'm sure they would send you a number 6 d-man. Kurtis Foster. You can have him for little.

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Would the Rangers have any interest in Rene Bourque?

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I was just about to propose Filatov + Russell for MDZ + prospect/salary dump.

Dunno if that'd be a desirable package though.
I'd do that trade, depending on who the prospect is. Not any of the bluechippers.

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Would the Rangers have any interest in Rene Bourque?
Depends on what Calgary is asking for him.

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