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06-01-2011, 10:21 AM
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Signing a capable 3rd pairing defenseman and signing Richards would do both of those things and neither are out of the realm of possibility...
Richards would be a huge step in the right direction for the powerplay. As far as the 3rd pairing is concerned, we'll just have to wait and see. Pairing him with Gilroy or McCabe tho would be asking for trouble IMO. If they truly plan on bringing one of those guys back, I think the top 4 should be broken up to give us better balance on the pairs.

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Protecting him would be to play him with a capable defensive d-man and getting some help on the powerplay to take some pressure off him. I'm not sure if either of those situations are going to happen.
I was referring to protecting him from getting his ass handed to him in tough defensive situations

Minimize his even strength shifts, smart line changes, smart pairing with our offensive lines, and most importantly relying heavily on the young workhorses of staal girardi sauer and mcd

They did this a lot with the mccabe gilroy pairing at the end of last season

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06-01-2011, 11:18 AM
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Richards would be a huge step in the right direction for the powerplay. As far as the 3rd pairing is concerned, we'll just have to wait and see. Pairing him with Gilroy or McCabe tho would be asking for trouble IMO. If they truly plan on bringing one of those guys back, I think the top 4 should be broken up to give us better balance on the pairs.
McCabe isn't going to be back. I agree that a Gilroy/Del Zotto pairing wouldn't be good but that's assuming Gilroy comes back (Rangers might let him walk instead of qualifying him) and I also think the competition would be between Del Zotto and Gilroy

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06-01-2011, 11:54 AM
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Baseless comparison.

Scremp is lazy, a horrifically bad skater, and has the hockey IQ of a wet towel. He has unreal hands, but that's really all that he's got going for him. Del Zotto is solid physically, willing to improve, a good skater, and highly talented. He has everything he needs to be a top puck mover. Now he just needs to work on the mental part of his game.
I wasn't making a head to head comparison, and I'm not hating on MDZ. I sincerely hope he makes the team and sticks.

Just pointing out that for all his hype he has yet to do so, and he now has to fight for a spot with guys at both ends of the spectrum. Two rookies beat him out last year. That doesn't equal banishment forever, but it doesn't look good either.

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06-01-2011, 12:05 PM
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I wasn't making a head to head comparison, and I'm not hating on MDZ. I sincerely hope he makes the team and sticks.

Just pointing out that for all his hype he has yet to do so, and he now has to fight for a spot with guys at both ends of the spectrum. Two rookies beat him out last year. That doesn't equal banishment forever, but it doesn't look good either.
Del Zotto has played roughly the same amount of NHL games as Sauer and McDonagh combined.

Do you consider them as "sticking" in the league yet?

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06-01-2011, 12:39 PM
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I wasn't making a head to head comparison, and I'm not hating on MDZ. I sincerely hope he makes the team and sticks.

Just pointing out that for all his hype he has yet to do so, and he now has to fight for a spot with guys at both ends of the spectrum. Two rookies beat him out last year. That doesn't equal banishment forever, but it doesn't look good either.
And both of those rookies are 2.5-3 years older than he is.

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06-01-2011, 01:16 PM
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Del Zotto has played roughly the same amount of NHL games as Sauer and McDonagh combined.

Do you consider them as "sticking" in the league yet?
I can't tell their future. But they were quite good last year. I feel more confident in their development than MDZ... AT THE MOMENT

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Both of them also had many more years of development than MDZ...

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Both of them also had many more years of development than MDZ...
Yes, that's true, plus Del Zotto didn't progress at all last year. And with the injury, he lost more time when he really needed to play. Prospects don't learn by thinking or studying tapes, they learn by playing.

I agress with Chariot, he has a lot of competition and it's not going to be easy at all.

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06-01-2011, 03:46 PM
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Yes, that's true, plus Del Zotto didn't progress at all last year. And with the injury, he lost more time when he really needed to play. Prospects don't learn by thinking or studying tapes, they learn by playing.

I agress with Chariot, he has a lot of competition and it's not going to be easy at all.
So you think studying film does nothing for Del Zotto or young players?

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He better be motivated in light of today's trade.

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He better be motivated in light of today's trade.
I dont' think Erixon replaces Del Zotto's skills, but it certainly makes that much more competition in camp

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So you think studying film does nothing for Del Zotto or young players?
There is a limit to what you can show them off the ice. Del Zotto needed to play a lot of minutes in the minors, so he could learn to do it the right way, but he got hurt. The regession he showed last year in trying to move the puck up the ice was scary.

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the kid needs to get his confidence back

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06-01-2011, 06:29 PM
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He better be motivated in light of today's trade.
First thing I thought of when I heard about the trade.

A shot across the bow at Del Zotto

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06-01-2011, 10:04 PM
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MDZ is very important to the Rangers future, he has extreme talent. Guys don't burst onto the scene once they come to the NHL

He will be a lot better this year on offense and Defense

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If MDZ can get his act together, he can be a huge asset to the defense, even with Erixon now in the system.

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06-01-2011, 11:02 PM
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There's no rule that says you can only have one designated offensive defensemen. I mean c'mon, Leetch and Zubov?

To me the Erixon trade in no way indicates giving up on Del Zotto.

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There's no rule that says you can only have one designated offensive defensemen. I mean c'mon, Leetch and Zubov?

To me the Erixon trade in no way indicates giving up on Del Zotto.
I think it's more that they are both LD's

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I think it's more that they are both LD's
Yeah.

There's a logjam @ LD. Mcd, Staal, MDZ, and Erixon. All talented and all young.

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06-01-2011, 11:08 PM
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Of course we're weak on the LW, but LD where we have one less spot to fill we have the most talent.

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06-01-2011, 11:16 PM
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LD and RD is not as severe a difference as LW and RW. Technically they're not even listed as separate positions. So I don't think it should be too much of a concern.

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LD and RD is not as severe a difference as LW and RW. Technically they're not even listed as separate positions. So I don't think it should be too much of a concern.
Its a pretty big deal. A lot of defensemen fall apart on the other side of the ice. Good teams often abuse defensemen on their off-side as well.

The only benefit of it is the defenseman can crack some serious one timers. So in that aspect, Erixon could look nice on the right side.

Staal-Girardi
McDonagh-Erixon
Del Zotto-Sauer

Could be real solid if Erixon is strong on his offside.

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I don't see the problem with having a bunch of LDs. It's not that difficult for a LD to play RD. It's the RDs switching to LD that can be tricky. If they're all worth keeping, then we can still keep them all. If anything, I would expect one of Girardi, Sauer, or McIlrath to wind up eventually getting dealt.

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I don't see the problem with having a bunch of LDs. It's not that difficult for a LD to play RD. It's the RDs switching to LD that can be tricky. If they're all worth keeping, then we can still keep them all. If anything, I would expect one of Girardi, Sauer, or McIlrath to wind up eventually getting dealt.
Agreed.

The fact that we have too many LD isn't the issue as they could always switch to RD. What's more of a problem is that we have a glut of defensive d-man on the team and in the system: Staal, Girardi, McD, Sauer, McIlrath. We don't have many offensive defensemen. So why would we trade away Del Zotto when it's clear that we have a dearth of offensive defensemen? Even with Erixon, that doesn't make Del Zotto expendable.

And I agree with Machinehead as well... why do we need to limit ourselves to only one offensive defensemen, when most successful teams have more than one? The Rangers are set with stay-at-home defensemen, and now their goal should be developing at least 2 puckmoving defensemen. Our transition game and PP would be much improved if both DZ and Erixon pan out.

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