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06-01-2011, 02:34 PM
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Hey I'm a U of M fan too. I just don't get where he thinks they are anything but underachievers. A school that gets the recruits they do should have accomplished a lot more than they have in those two sports.
I agree I am not a Michigan Fan. I just know Herby is not going to like what you said. (Hence the Fightin words Quote).

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I agree I am not a Michigan Fan. I just know Herby is not going to like what you said. (Hence the Fightin words Quote).
He doesn't like much of what I say anyway.

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... If it was Lombardi's first-ever interaction with the media, it would be one thing. But it's not. What did Dean expect the reporter to do? Burp him after it was over?
He expected the reporter to be professional and not print off the record stuff. It's pretty black and white. The reporter broke the rule.

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... If it was Lombardi's first-ever interaction with the media, it would be one thing. But it's not. What did Dean expect the reporter to do? Burp him after it was over?
One could use the exact same argument against the reporter. It is extremely common for interviews to go off the record. Hammond himself has commented on the subject and said that it is a fine line to walk as a reporter, where there are obvious things that are off the record and you don't report, to do so is to break the trust between you and the interviewee and you won't get another interview with him again. The reporter wasn't some crusader uncovering some scandal, it was an out-of-line quote.

We've all said something or have held views that would make us ineligible for public office, the difference is our friends typically don't go running around shouting to the world about it. Obviously it was stupid, in a sense, for Lombardi to treat a reporter with such confidence as a friend, but it isn't uncommon for people of interest and reporters to become familiar with one another.

The reporter betrayed Lombardi's trust any way you take it, and Lombardi probably shouldn't be so nice and friendly with reporters.


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One could use the exact same argument against the reporter. It is extremely common for interviews to go off the record. Hammond himself has commented on the subject and said that it is a fine line to walk as a reporter, where there are obvious things that are off the record and you don't report, to do so is to break the trust between you and the interviewee and you won't get another interview with him again. The reporter wasn't some crusader uncovering some scandal, it was an out-of-line quote.

We've all said something or have held views that would make us ineligible for public office, the difference is our friends typically don't go running around shouting to the world about it. Obviously it was stupid, in a sense, for Lombardi to treat a reporter with such confidence as a friend, but it isn't uncommon for people of interest and reporters to become familiar with one another.

The reporter betrayed Lombardi's trust any way you take it, and Lombardi probably shouldn't be so nice and friendly with reporters.

Well thats a faulty assumption on Deans part...im sure he has plenty of friends to babble to that arent reporters. And since when has Hammond ever been a reporter? I know alot of people like his stuff (along with me)...but he isnt a objective reporter, just more of a PR blogger.


Im a Dean supporter in what he is doing with the kings, but some his comments are sometimes just downright unprofessional and unclassy (the video booth remark, and penner). It would be better if he would just shut up sometimes.

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The reporter betrayed Lombardi's trust any way you take it, and Lombardi probably shouldn't be so nice and friendly with reporters.
... Absolutely. I think we should first observe a moment of silence, cry about it for a couple hours, then lower the Stars and Stripes to half mast, and finally say a few Hail Marys as penance for the besmirching of the name of the Lord our God Dean Lombardi for something that has literally gone on time and time again since the dawn of sportswriting. If all else fails, contact the FBI.

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That trust does go both ways. Let's not forget that DL essentially threw Hammond under the bus right before the Williams trade.
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If anything, I'd say we need MORE sarcastic blindsides from our sleazy, two-faced commander in chief. I wouldn't buy an apple from the sonofa *****, but I like him in charge of my hockey team.

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Good God, you guys would dissect an amoeba's ****.. only if it came out of DL's mouth, of course. I think DL needs to rent a suite at the nearest hotel, invite half of this message board so you guys can all finally f each other and cut the tension. Holy schnikes!

Somebody please tell me one person in the history of the Kings organization that has been this polarizing? Did Dave Taylor feel the same wrath? I some how don't believe that was the case but I was a lurker at the time.

I'm not going to lie, I find it incredibly fascinating. Much like I love reading and posting on yahoo articles because it immediately turns into "Obama is a socialist" even though you just read an article about a skiing accident. That is a real example by the way.

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Did DL go to Penner first? That is where the question sits for me and it isn't possible to know the answer so there ya go. If he had been saying the same thing to Penner that he has said about him in the media then that is that.

My question rests with rather or not DL has stepped into the locker room and said these things (or had him in his office) or has he simply decided to let the media represent his feelings. One way is fine to me the other is what I see as a cowardly act.

I would have to think that DL and Penner had their post season meeting and that something along the lines of what he (dl) has said to the media was said in person.


But until DL levels the *exact* same amount of criticism at his head coach that he has his players his motive's will be suspect to me.

TM supporter or not it is hard to justify where TM has lived up to DL's model of constant improvement or at least not to the same level that he holds his players up to. If DL is going to talk about his criticisms of his players to the media then he dang well should do the same with his entire staff.

At least that is what makes sense to me.

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... TM supporter or not it is hard to justify where TM has lived up to DL's model of constant improvement or at least not to the same level that he holds his players up to. If DL is going to talk about his criticisms of his players to the media then he dang well should do the same with his entire staff.

At least that is what makes sense to me.
The team has improved leaps and bounds statistically and on the ice as far as team defense goes, at least imho. They still have a ways to go to bring it consistently but when they play right they can lock it down. So that's a big deal to me.

Team defense is always the hardest thing to teach and imprint because elite NHLer's (and they all elite athletes to me) grow up on talent and that usually means offensive talent. Hard to change those read and react instincts.... Now, two to three years for that to get to a consistent playoff winning level is ok with me. So, I see the D system pretty much ready to go.

Now, the offensive side is another thing.... but it could be as simple as DL / TM building from the goal out while waiting for that offensive talent to ripen in juniors and the minors. By the time the D side team system is in place and hard wired, you can bring up the rookies an put them in a place where they have solid D and goalies to back them up while they learn and screw up....

Your mileage may vary.... but this year will tell a lot about Murray's ability to move forward with the offense.

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Don't you know 620? Only how far you have gone in the playoffs count and TM didn't get any further this year then he did last year.

To me TM isn't a good coach due to the fact that he loses control of his team and for as long as he has been there he still has bench penalties happen all too often for my taste. That said, I agree with what you are saying regarding this coming season and am giving TM a slight break because of how many kids we have had in the line up this past season and also this coming season.

I just want to see DL hold TM to the same type of scrutiny in the media that he does some of the players on the team.

As for DL's expectations I think that they should be in line with my own in that if we don't at least make it past the first round this coming year that it will have been a serious failure on our part and that we will need to start making some serious changes. Though I can't imagine a scenario where we don't at least make it past the first round barring injuries.

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For someone who claims to be a UM supporter, you certainly are ignorant about many things. This is off topic, sorry. We really should have some kind of Dean Lombardi thread on this board. Just saying.

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You aren't suggesting that U of M actually develops players are you?
It's like the joke Mike Knuble had at the golf tournament in the fall...

"wow for a guy who can't coach and develop there sure are a lot of NHL'ers here"

Having the most players in the NHL would say they do develop players. But you will just reply that they get the best players. And yes they do get great players, no more than UND, BC or Minnesota get though. And a lot of that has to do with players and their parents wanting to play for Berenson. When Berenson took over that program they were a bottom feeder, when he leaves it will be by far the most coveted job in college hockey. And that is because of one man.

As for developing football players.

Tom Brady, Charles Woodson and Steve Hutchinson will all be in Canton one day. Jake Long has a good chance to be as well as Ty Law. David Harris, LaMarr Woodley, Leon Hall are All-Pro...yeah all scrubs



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U of M sports are some of the biggest underachievers in the NCAA. They get some of the best if not the best recruits in the NCAA for hockey and football and have one 2 hockey national championships in what.. 50 years? They've won one damned national championship in football in 50+ years.
21 straight years in the tournament and 11 frozen fours in that span. If you want to call that underachieving go right ahead.

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Are you this critical of their athletic programs? If so, your head must be ready to explode with the inpeptitude of the teams you follow. I think they should have the slogan "Michigan, always good but never great".
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I was very critical of the football program under Rodriguez, he made lame ass excuses when the team failed to win and offered up nothing but lame BS cliches and "when I was at West Virginia" (sound familiar).

The new guy comes in and says "Our goal is to win the Big Ten, if we don't its a failure"

It was absolutely refreshing to hear someone who is results oriented. I want to hear the coach/GM whoever tell us reasons why we are going to win, instead of excuses for failure.

And comparing UM to the Kings is a bit ridiculous. I was fortunate enough to be at Game 4 of the 93 Finals and Game 4 of the 2001 series vs. the Wings. Those are the high marks of being a Kings fan. I have been to 6 Rose Bowl's, an Orange Bowl and Five Frozen Fours. Again if that is ineptitude, I'd like to know what you consider success. Maybe failing to ever make it past the 2nd round of the NHL playoffs is success?

And as for Johnson. You ever see him play for the NTDP, or as a Freshman for UM. He grew by leaps and bounds from his freshman to sophomore year. He struggled mightily early on as a freshman and by the time he was done he was probably the best player in college hockey. But again, you just don't want to give any credit for his development at UM. It's just a bunch of talented players out there playing shinny right, because Dean Lombardi said so.

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Somebody please tell me one person in the history of the Kings organization that has been this polarizing? Did Dave Taylor feel the same wrath? I some how don't believe that was the case but I was a lurker at the time.

I'm not going to lie, I find it incredibly fascinating. Much like I love reading and posting on yahoo articles because it immediately turns into "Obama is a socialist" even though you just read an article about a skiing accident. That is a real example by the way.
Dave Taylor was not nearly as polarizing. But there are many reasons why.

DT had nothing close to the cult following that Dean Lombardi has amongst many fans. I never once saw a "In Dave We Trust" or read messageboard posts saying "Dave is the savior" or "Dave is the greatest thing to ever happen to the franchise"

DT was also more of a ho-hum kind of guy, where Lombardi is definitely more the big talk, big word lawyer. I don't remember DT ever saying anything controversial, even during the whole Blake ordeal. Lombardi has had many instances where his comments have gotten him into hot water. So naturally that is going to turn some people off.

The only thing they really have in common is their weak resumes as NHL GM's.

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Dave Taylor was not nearly as polarizing. But there are many reasons why.

DT had nothing close to the cult following that Dean Lombardi has amongst many fans. I never once saw a "In Dave We Trust" or read messageboard posts saying "Dave is the savior" or "Dave is the greatest thing to ever happen to the franchise"

DT was also more of a ho-hum kind of guy, where Lombardi is definitely more the big talk, big word lawyer. I don't remember DT ever saying anything controversial, even during the whole Blake ordeal. Lombardi has had many instances where his comments have gotten him into hot water. So naturally that is going to turn some people off.

The only thing they really have in common is their weak resumes as NHL GM's.
LOL!!! Yeah, it is a cult and Dean has '666' tatooed under his tongue and the rest of us got ours when he put us in a hypnotic trance as he showed us the magic boxes on his white board.

Look you choose to believe that the cupboard was nearly fully stocked when the man arrived. That definitely puts you in the minority. A lot of people like Dean because he is approachable and will answer questions as honestly as he can. You don't like that he says Johnson had some bad habits coming out of MI, too bad. The man calls them as he sees them. You don't like that he got rid of Cammalleri, too bad. There was a lot more to it than just what was happening on the ice.

Lombardi has a plan that is as well defined as it can be given the ever changing landscape of the NHL. The strategic plan is very good, now we will see how his tactics are because we are getting to the point where execution really counts. In the end he will be judged on results. I certainly wasn't expecting the Kings to go from where they were to the Stanley Cup in 5 or 6 seasons given the strategic plan that was put in place. That just doesn't happen when you are drafting 18 year olds and bringing them through your system and expecting them to be the backbone of the team instead of a bunch of mercenaries.

If the Kings are legitimately competitive in the playoffs for the next 7 or 8 years, Dean will have done his job.

DT never said anything. You could have stopped that sentence right there.

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For someone who claims to be a UM supporter, you certainly are ignorant about many things. This is off topic, sorry. We really should have some kind of Dean Lombardi thread on this board. Just saying.



It's like the joke Mike Knuble had at the golf tournament in the fall...

"wow for a guy who can't coach and develop there sure are a lot of NHL'ers here"

Having the most players in the NHL would say they do develop players. But you will just reply that they get the best players. And yes they do get great players, no more than UND, BC or Minnesota get though. And a lot of that has to do with players and their parents wanting to play for Berenson. When Berenson took over that program they were a bottom feeder, when he leaves it will be by far the most coveted job in college hockey. And that is because of one man.

As for developing football players.

Tom Brady, Charles Woodson and Steve Hutchinson will all be in Canton one day. Jake Long has a good chance to be as well as Ty Law. David Harris, LaMarr Woodley, Leon Hall are All-Pro...yeah all scrubs





21 straight years in the tournament and 11 frozen fours in that span. If you want to call that underachieving go right ahead.



I was very critical of the football program under Rodriguez, he made lame ass excuses when the team failed to win and offered up nothing but lame BS cliches and "when I was at West Virginia" (sound familiar).

The new guy comes in and says "Our goal is to win the Big Ten, if we don't its a failure"

It was absolutely refreshing to hear someone who is results oriented. I want to hear the coach/GM whoever tell us reasons why we are going to win, instead of excuses for failure.

And comparing UM to the Kings is a bit ridiculous. I was fortunate enough to be at Game 4 of the 93 Finals and Game 4 of the 2001 series vs. the Wings. Those are the high marks of being a Kings fan. I have been to 6 Rose Bowl's, an Orange Bowl and Five Frozen Fours. Again if that is ineptitude, I'd like to know what you consider success. Maybe failing to ever make it past the 2nd round of the NHL playoffs is success?

And as for Johnson. You ever see him play for the NTDP, or as a Freshman for UM. He grew by leaps and bounds from his freshman to sophomore year. He struggled mightily early on as a freshman and by the time he was done he was probably the best player in college hockey. But again, you just don't want to give any credit for his development at UM. It's just a bunch of talented players out there playing shinny right, because Dean Lombardi said so.
I obviously struck a chord. I was never making a comparison to Kings hockey, that was you. All I was saying is that for a program that gets the top recruits in the country, they sure haven't got the results that matter. At least that is what my dad who was born in raised in Ann Arbor thinks. I guess his expectations are too high. I'd certainly hope Michigan is at the top every year. Anything less would be a incredible disappointment and I'm sure you'd agree. If any organization is funneled the top talent from whatever line of sports or business they are in, you expect the pinnacle of success not getting close every year.

I also like how you put words in my mouth. As if my opinion of Michigan is derived from comments he made about Jack Johnson. The thing you don't seem to get is I don't ride Lombardi's jock. I never have. I just find your anger for Dean Lombardi to be a bit irrational to say the least. And I think that it is very telling, you speak of results being what matters, Dean Lombardi hasn't done any better or worse than Dave Taylor but you love to hate Lombardi for the things he says or does. Maybe a take a pass on the next interview? I guess it is a train wreck for you though.

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That trust does go both ways. Let's not forget that DL essentially threw Hammond under the bus right before the Williams trade.
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We just got ripped off basically is what happened. A fan favorite young talent like O'Sully, for an oft-injured ex-allstar winger clearly in the twilight of his career. And now it's, only if you throw in a 2nd rounder to seal the deal. I bet the GMs of Carolina and Edmonton are having a good laugh over that one. Dean I have a bridge I'd like to sell you, dumbass. We got hosed. I thought building for the future would translate to keeping good young players and getting rid of older higher paid players, not the other way around. I just don't get this move AT ALL! We could have had Antropov for a 2nd rounder alone, and he is better than J Williams. I feal nauseous!

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He can throw Hammond under all the buses in the world, provided he gets the deal done.

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