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06-02-2011, 12:16 PM
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I think the price would be to high for Philly. Garth Snow will not trade a impact palyer within his own division without recieving an impact player in return. I think he still has a NMC in his contract as well.


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06-02-2011, 12:23 PM
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I think the price would be to high for Philly. Garth Snow will not trade a impact palyer within his own division without recieving an impact player in return. I think he still has a NMC in his contract as well.
The Islanders aren't doing anything during the Flyers window with Nabokov - I don't think they'd care about moving him in the division. It's not like your moving a young player or are a fellow contending team when the trade can hurt you.

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06-02-2011, 12:25 PM
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The Islanders aren't doing anything during the Flyers window with Nabokov - I don't think they'd care about moving him in the division. It's not like your moving a young player or are a fellow contending team when the trade can hurt you.
The Islanders want to make the playoffs, and strengthening your divisional rivals doesn't help you do that. Nabokov would probably have far more impact here than any skater we give them would have there.

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06-02-2011, 12:25 PM
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A lot of the issues I'm seeing here (and what makes this debate all the more intriguing) is that Holmgren must play this situation extremely delicately.

Let's assume that Philadelphia is one place Nabokov would waive for.

1) Do you pursue Nabokov knowing that he would allow you to keep your roster?
2) Do you pursue Vokoun or Bryzgalov as more expensive free agents?

If your plan is 2) with 1) as a back-up, you still need to move enough space to acquire one of those players and throw them on the roster. But if you don't get one of them in free-agency, then you're stuck trading for Nabokov having already given up one of the pieces that would've been nice to have still in Philadelphia seeing as how cheap Nabokov is.

It's a delicate issue.

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06-02-2011, 12:30 PM
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Nabokov is declining rapidly - at least that's what his stats indicate. He's probably no better than Turco, Giguere, Theodore who all used to be good at some time.
And last but not least his attitude is a serious question mark. Pass on Nabby!

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I would have the following pecking order;

Vokoun -> Nabokov -> Bryzgalov. Not that I think Nabokov is better then Bryz, nor is Vokoun. But relative to their expected cap hit, contract length and our current roster setup, I would hope Bryz is our 3rd choice.

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06-02-2011, 02:54 PM
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Nabby has an NMC according to Capgeek.

So yeah.
Smart deal by his agent. That should prevent him from ending up somewhere he doesn't want to be!!!

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I would have the following pecking order;

Vokoun -> Nabokov -> Bryzgalov. Not that I think Nabokov is better then Bryz, nor is Vokoun. But relative to their expected cap hit, contract length and our current roster setup, I would hope Bryz is our 3rd choice.
I totally agree, I thought I was alone on that! Everyone seems like it is Bryzgalov -> Vokoun -> New GM.

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I would have the following pecking order;

Vokoun -> Nabokov -> Bryzgalov. Not that I think Nabokov is better then Bryz, nor is Vokoun. But relative to their expected cap hit, contract length and our current roster setup, I would hope Bryz is our 3rd choice.
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I totally agree, I thought I was alone on that! Everyone seems like it is Bryzgalov -> Vokoun -> New GM.
I'm kinda with you two. My order would be Vokoun -> Bryzgalov -> Nabokov. I would like an upgrade in net, and I feel that Vokoun and Bryzgalov give you more of a guaranteed upgrade than Nabokov. And again, with Vokoun expected to make less money over less years, I'd want him over Bryzgalov.

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06-02-2011, 03:21 PM
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I'm kinda with you two. My order would be Vokoun -> Bryzgalov -> Nabokov. I would like an upgrade in net, and I feel that Vokoun and Bryzgalov give you more of a guaranteed upgrade than Nabokov. And again, with Vokoun expected to make less money over less years, I'd want him over Bryzgalov.
Yeah, I'm going with this.

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Yeah but garth is an idiot so i wold not be shocked if we stole a starting goalie from them
That "idiot" as you call him has slowly built an exciting young team who are a vet or two away from being a consistent playoff contender, all with no cap issues.

BTW, before you refer to anyone else as an idiot, check your facts, as well as spelling and grammar first.

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That "idiot" as you call him has slowly built an exciting young team who are a vet or two away from being a consistent playoff contender, all with no cap issues.

BTW, before you refer to anyone else as an idiot, check your facts, as well as spelling and grammar first.
Do my eyes deceive me, or is there an actual Islander fan?

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06-02-2011, 03:48 PM
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Do my eyes deceive me, or is there an actual Islander fan?
You don't.

edit: actually, looking at post history, maybe you do

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06-02-2011, 03:58 PM
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A lot of the issues I'm seeing here (and what makes this debate all the more intriguing) is that Holmgren must play this situation extremely delicately.

Let's assume that Philadelphia is one place Nabokov would waive for.

1) Do you pursue Nabokov knowing that he would allow you to keep your roster?
2) Do you pursue Vokoun or Bryzgalov as more expensive free agents?

If your plan is 2) with 1) as a back-up, you still need to move enough space to acquire one of those players and throw them on the roster. But if you don't get one of them in free-agency, then you're stuck trading for Nabokov having already given up one of the pieces that would've been nice to have still in Philadelphia seeing as how cheap Nabokov is.

It's a delicate issue.
It isn't that delicate.

I don't see Homer dealing a big piece of his team to free up cap room for Bzygalov or Vokoun without a guarantee one of them will sign.

He'll trade for their rights before July 1 - probably in a deal conditional on them agreeing to a contract - a la Timonen/Hartnell.

He'll know before or at the Draft whether he's got his goalie.

If not, he can turn his attention to the other options, either acquiring Nabby or signing one of the other UFAs, Giguere (a Pronger/OD Duck teammate) or someone else.

He could then also pursue another goalie as a last resort, trading something substantial for a goalie like Bernier or Schneider. My problem with this option is that they are just as unproven as Bob is in the playoffs. If we go into the second round next year and the kid in net craps the bed, Homer will be in big trouble.

If Homer's mission is to have a goalie in place who is playoff ready, it has to be a veteran and the deal to cement the player will be done at or before the draft.

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You don't.

edit: actually, looking at post history, maybe you do
Better edit again, you're still not making any sense. What is it you are trying to say?

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Better edit again, you're still not making any sense. What is it you are trying to say?
You asked if you were seeing an Islanders fan. I replied that you don't, because he posts regularly on this board. Then I decided to check his post history, and saw he also posts on the Islanders board, which is why I edited to let you know that you may indeed be seeing an Islanders fan.

Clear?

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Bad seed who doesn't want to play here.

Where do I sign up? And can he become Bob's pseudofather?

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You asked if you were seeing an Islanders fan. I replied that you don't, because he posts regularly on this board. Then I decided to check his post history, and saw he also posts on the Islanders board, which is why I edited to let you know that you may indeed be seeing an Islanders fan.

Clear?
You are indeed seeing an Islanders fan (since their first season) I'm also a Flyers fan, have been since the Broad Street Bullies days, I took a lot of heat hanging a "Flyers Win!!!" banner in Queens back in '74 & '75. Living just outside Philly now and I split my loyalties between the two teams. You'll have to buy the book for additional info

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That "idiot" as you call him has slowly built an exciting young team who are a vet or two away from being a consistent playoff contender, all with no cap issues.

BTW, before you refer to anyone else as an idiot, check your facts, as well as spelling and grammar first.
Islanders...player or two away...consistent contender...

McDonalds....Upsize the fries....healthy....


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i have eyes. nabokov sucks. extremely mediocre. replaced by nittymaki. we had nittymaki. nabokov sucks. if you dont want to spend money and shuffle your roster then you arent goin to win a cup. carter doesnt have to be traded for us to get quality. but if he is....... i want a goalie that is good enough to win a vezina. whatever the cost.

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06-02-2011, 08:02 PM
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vanRiemsdyk (1.65) - Giroux (3.75) - Read (0.90)
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Nodl (0.95) - Richards (5.75) - Versteeg (3.08)
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Meszaros (4.00) - Gustafsson (0.90)
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TOTAL: 60.06
CAP (best possible): 63.50
SPACE (best possible): 03.44

So, if the cap does rise to the awesome heights of 63.50, if you move Carle, you quickly double your cap space to 6.88m free. Subtract 1.00m for a decent bottom pairing defenseman or another call-up and that gives 5.88m to sign a goalie.

I'm just hoping Holmgren trades for Vokoun and locks him up under 5.00m. Then we have options going forward. Otherwise...it's going to be ugly I think.

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That "idiot" as you call him has slowly built an exciting young team who are a vet or two away from being a consistent playoff contender, all with no cap issues.

BTW, before you refer to anyone else as an idiot, check your facts, as well as spelling and grammar first.
Too him long enough to build a team and if there going to be exciting they must win and well so far they havent done that so i say there just young btw how did that contract dipietro got from the genius garth snow work out? and ill use whatever spelling and grammar i want
plain and simple garth snow is a average at best nhl GM get over it

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IMHO, Nabokov is hardly an upgrade over the current situation. He also requires attitude adjustments.
The only pssible upside- common language with Bob.
I would consider getting him as a backup plan to a backup plan.

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Islanders...player or two away...consistent contender...

McDonalds....Upsize the fries....healthy....

I was thinking of:

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