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Max Pacioretty RFA, what contract should he get?

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06-01-2011, 01:35 PM
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I think it's the two parties who feel this way. Why should he be given anything more than 1 year at 1 mill, he hasn't proven it.. and on the Pacioretty side, why should he sign more than one year at 1.25.. if he has a great year.. more money next year.

Also, I think ALOT of people here are getting carried away with how much he truly deserves.
He doesn't deserve more than any other RFA of his age whose proven little to nothing.

I love Patches and I think he's going to be a star for us. But one good half a season doesn't prove anything. In fact one could argue it's one good half season after a full bad one. Right now he's like a reverse Pouliot. No way this guy makes more than 1.5 mil unless it's a long term deal and PG is certain this guy will be a star.

I doubt either side would agree to a long term deal due to what the other party would ask for. I see it being 1 year 1-1.5 million.

But yeah, he certainly doesn't deserve anymore. If anything the team deserves more prior to giving him a good deal.

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Scott Gomez has agreed to give him 2 million of his salary.

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He doesn't deserve more than any other RFA of his age whose proven little to nothing.

I love Patches and I think he's going to be a star for us. But one good half a season doesn't prove anything. In fact one could argue it's one good half season after a full bad one. Right now he's like a reverse Pouliot. No way this guy makes more than 1.5 mil unless it's a long term deal and PG is certain this guy will be a star.

I doubt either side would agree to a long term deal due to what the other party would ask for. I see it being 1 year 1-1.5 million.

But yeah, he certainly doesn't deserve anymore. If anything the team deserves more prior to giving him a good deal.
It's not about what the player DESERVES. In the cap world it's a big plus to be pro active and sign your young players, if you can get Pacioretty at 3 years 4.8 mil, you'd be crazy not to do it if you believe in him and taht he has arrived. If you do taht and he puts up 50-60 points the next 3 years you get a big cap bargain and look like a genius...the downside is not that big, even if he is a 30-35 point 3rd liner for half taht time, you aren't paying him 4 mil a year....but I doubt him or his agent want to go 3 years right now, knowing that a strong 11-12 season means a big payday.

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06-02-2011, 09:00 AM
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It's not about what the player DESERVES. In the cap world it's a big plus to be pro active and sign your young players, if you can get Pacioretty at 3 years 4.8 mil, you'd be crazy not to do it if you believe in him and taht he has arrived. If you do taht and he puts up 50-60 points the next 3 years you get a big cap bargain and look like a genius...the downside is not that big, even if he is a 30-35 point 3rd liner for half taht time, you aren't paying him 4 mil a year....but I doubt him or his agent want to go 3 years right now, knowing that a strong 11-12 season means a big payday.
Agreed but that won't happen so what's the point really?

No players are dumb enough to sign long year deals like that unless they're top guys in the league already. (Meaning they'll already be getting a normal salary) Guys with much to prove never ever do that because they know they'll get more in a year or two if they just go with 1-2 year deals. (Find me a player who actually has done this when he still had tons to prove and got way less than his value, I really think you'd be hard pressed to find many examples, discounts from players already known to be proven don't count, I'm talking unproven guys GM's took a risk on and signed long term for cheaper. I guess you could look at Grabner but even he proved a lot more than Max did. Same with MacArthur I guess, not sure if he signed yet though haven't checked.)

Pacioretty's agent would be fired if he allowed Max to sign a 3 year 1.5 mil a year deal right now. I used the word deserves because of the post I was quoting but frankly it is about what the player deserves regardless. If it isn't then you must be completely happy about Gomer being paid 8 mil. Bottom line is if it's a 1 year deal he deserves no more than 2 million and that's being nice. If you don't think that's what he deserves an arbitrator will surely tell you it is.

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06-02-2011, 10:50 AM
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I'm guessing a one-way contract, 2 years, 2.45M

1.0M in 2011./201
1.45M in 2012./2013

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Patrik Berglund signed a 4.5 M deal over 2 years, averaging .54 PPG. Pacioretty has averaged .4 PPG, I can see a 3-3.5 over 2 years.

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3.5 over 2 years. Paying extra to get a 2nd year instead of 1.25 then 2.5-3.5 if he plays well next year.

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I would go as far as 2M per for 3 years. It shows the club has faith and it keeps the salary low enough to be managed

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Patrik Berglund signed a 4.5 M deal over 2 years, averaging .54 PPG. Pacioretty has averaged .4 PPG, I can see a 3-3.5 over 2 years.
Are you kidding me? Berglund proved himself in his first season getting 21g/47p in the first season. Had a down sophomore year and last season had 22g/52p for that contract.

Wolverine's half seasons with Montreal aren't gonna land him a Berglund contract and rightfully so. I still say 4.5-5 over 3yrs.

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4.5 for 2 years is a fair deal, I think that would make the Team-Max & the City Happy.

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4.5 for 2 years is a fair deal, I think that would make the Team-Max & the City Happy.
Anything $2 million or above I would hope for a 3rd-year. Two years at $2.25m/year would still be a bargain if he continues to score at the rate he did last season (and indications are that he will - if he's healthy and plays the same way). The extra year would be absolute gravy though.

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2 years/1.475m per year

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2 years/1.475m per year
Something like that. Most I'd say is 1.75 per year.

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Something like that. Most I'd say is 1.75 per year.
I agree. Even 1.75 is pushing it imo.

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Are you kidding me? Berglund proved himself in his first season getting 21g/47p in the first season. Had a down sophomore year and last season had 22g/52p for that contract.

Wolverine's half seasons with Montreal aren't gonna land him a Berglund contract and rightfully so. I still say 4.5-5 over 3yrs.
Lol, I said less than you and you freak out?

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Lol, I said less than you and you freak out?
Read that one wrong. I thought you said 3 per year. My bad

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