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06-02-2011, 09:35 PM
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My Flyers offseason plan

Waived:
Scott Walker, Michael Leighton, Jody Shelley, Blair Betts

LTIR:
Ian Laperriere

Trades:
Matt Carle to the San Jose Sharks for the 28th overall pick in 2011

Kris Versteeg to the Columbus Blue Jackets for the 37th and 98th overall picks in 2011

Dan Carcillo to the Los Angeles Kings for the 110th pick overall in 2011

RFA's:
Darroll Powe - 2 years, 0.850 cap hit
Andreas Nodl - 2 years, 0.950 cap hit
Tom Sestito - 1 year, 0.600 cap hit
Danny Syvret - 1 year, (two-way deal) 0.600 NHL cap hit

UFA's:
Ilya Bryzgalov - 5 years, 5.00 million cap hit
Raffi Torres - 2 years, 1.50 million cap hit
Zenon Konopka - 3 years, 0.850 cap hit
Eric Godard - 1 year, 0.500 cap hit
Shane O'Brien - 2 years, 1.50 million cap hit

FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Jeff Carter ($5.272m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Raffi Torres ($1.500m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / Andreas Nodl ($0.950m)
Tom Sestito ($0.600m) / Zenon Konopka ($0.850m) / Darroll Powe ($0.850m)
Eric Godard ($0.500m)

DEFENSEMEN

Chris Pronger ($4.921m) / Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m)
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Braydon Coburn ($3.200m)
Shane O'Brien ($1.500m) / Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m)
Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.000m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $62,500,000; CAP PAYROLL: $61,481,655; BONUSES: $1,700,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,018,345


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06-02-2011, 09:42 PM
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Waived:
Scott Walker, Michael Leighton, Jody Shelley, Blair Betts

LTIR:
Ian Laperriere

Trades:
Matt Carle to the San Jose Sharks for the 28th overall pick in 2011

Kris Versteeg to the Columbus Blue Jackets for the 37th and 98th overall picks in 2011

Dan Carcillo to the Los Angeles Kings for the 110th pick overall in 2011

RFA's:
Darroll Powe - 2 years, 0.850 cap hit
Andreas Nodl - 2 years, 0.950 cap hit
Tom Sestito - 1 year, 0.600 cap hit
Danny Syvret - 1 year, (two-way deal) 0.600 NHL cap hit

UFA's:
Ilya Bryzgalov - 5 years, 5.00 million cap hit
Raffi Torres - 2 years, 1.50 million cap hit
Zenon Konopka - 3 years, 0.850 cap hit
Eric Godard - 1 year, 0.500 cap hit
Shane O'Brien - 2 years, 1.50 million cap hit

FORWARDS
Raffi Torres ($1.500m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Jeff Carter ($5.272m) / Andreas Nodl ($0.900m)
Tom Sestito ($0.600m) / Zenon Konopka ($0.800m) / Darroll Powe ($0.800m)
Eric Godard ($0.500m)

DEFENSEMEN
Chris Pronger ($4.921m) / Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m)
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Braydon Coburn ($3.200m)
Craig Rivet ($1.200m) / Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m)
Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)

GOALTENDERS

Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.500m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $62,500,000; CAP PAYROLL: $61,531,655; BONUSES: $1,700,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $968,345
What happened to Shane O'Brien?

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Rationale:

My main objectives were as follows, and in order:

1. Get Ilya Bryzgalov, PERIOD.
2. Create the necessary cap space to do so without gutting the core of the team (mainly Jeff Carter)
3. Add some size and toughness to the roster
4. Add some youth to the roster
5. Acquire some draft picks to start re-stocking a weak farm system

Leighton is bought out because he sucks
Walker because he is average and appears to have health issues
Shelley is a decent enough player, but way overpaid
Betts was a good player but his shoulders are held together by duct player at this point

Lappy, unfortunately, will never play again.

Matt Carle is traded to free up some cap space and make room for Gustafsson. San Jose could use an affordable top four defensemen this offseason and they are the team who drafted him. Getting back a first round pick, even a late one, is huge for this team considering the amount of first round picks that have been traded recently.

I like Kris Versteeg, would like to see him back, but to get the answer in goal and subsequently spend the money/cap dollars, and keep Jeff Carter, someone has to go and it's Versteeg. Columbus fans seem to think he would be a good fit, and in getting back picks 37 and 98, we almost get back what we originally gave up for him, and again, we need draft picks badly.

Los Angeles has been rumored in the past to have interest in Dan Carcillo, and you have the Murray, Hexy, Lombardi connection.
If Ryan Hollweg could get the Rangers a fifth two years ago, I can't see why we can't get a fourth for Carcillo.

Powe and Nodl are unspectacular but solid players and good fits in the Laviolette system and get raises and two year deals as they should.

The Flyers gave up their third round pick from 2010 for Sestito and that tells me that they like him. I think he and Rinaldo battle it out in camp for a fourth line spot to add toughness, youth, and a cheap cap hit.

Syvret is with the Phantoms and provides some insurance as a veteran 8th defensemen.

Bryzgalov is the key to the offseason. Holmgren needs to get creative with the contract to keep the cap hit at around 5 million and not higher. Throwing Bryzgalov 7-8 million in his pocket for the first couple of years could help in that regard.

Torres adds some much need size, is a big hitter, and is good for 15-20 goals with a reasonable cap hit.

Konopka is a beast in the faceoff circle which we need, and replaces Carcillo as middleweight enforcer / pest.

O'Brien, again, adds some much needed size, the ability to drop the gloves, and Godard can be the spare forward, dressing when needed (20-30 games) at less than half the cost of Shelley.
If long term injuries occur, Holmstrom or Wellwood can be called up to play. Godard is basically your 500K insurance policy for when you need to cash it in.

Lastly, Matt Read was signed to come here and play this season. He is a very good prospect, is as NHL ready as he is going to be at 25, and should get a shot. If he has a horrible camp, Wellwood or Holmstrom could be in the mix, or a trade for a cheap veteran winger could take place.


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Hate seeing Torres, Read, and Nodl in our top 9. That should not happen. I can see Torres on the 3rd line, but that's it. Betts won't get waived, and I wouldn't want him to. Bad shoulders or not, he's our best penalty killer and a valuable asset that would get snatched up immediately.

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Rationale:
1. Get Ilya Bryzgalov, PERIOD.
I'd rather go after Vokoun.

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2. Create the necessary cap space to do so without gutting the core of the team (mainly Jeff Carter)
Agree that Carter is a major part of the team, but you're gutting the depth even if you aren't gutting the core. Depth is what makes our team so strong in the first place.

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3. Add some size and toughness to the roster
By adding redundant pieces like Godard, O'Brien?

Not so much Konopka because he can take faceoffs, but you're dropping a defensive specialist like Betts?

Come on.

And seriously Godard? You get rid of Shelley just to sign him?

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4. Add some youth to the roster
I think we actually get older.

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5. Acquire some draft picks to start re-stocking a weak farm system
This is the only part I like, and even then...

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To each their own Chris. A few things though.

This team was outplayed physically for most of the season, and was beaten up by Boston in the playoffs. They need to add some size and toughness this offseason in my opinion.

Yes I am waiving Shelley to sign Godard. They are virtually the same player and you can get Godard for half the cost. I like Shelley, but you don't pay 5 minute a night guys who are useless in the playoffs, 1.1 million. Every cap dollar counts.

Betts is finished. I expect the Flyers to bring him back, but it'll be a mistake. He isn't that good on faceoffs, especially with his bad shoulders, and his overall play took a dive last season.

By adding Read to top 9, giving Nodl a consistent spot from day one in the top 9, and mixing Sestito and Gustafsson into the lineup the team does get younger.

As for the other comment about Read and Nodl in the top 9. It's been a salary cap world for a while, and it continues to be. If cheap options in goal that aren't good enough so the forward can be deep are "your" thing, that's fine, but then you have to deal with what happened during the playoffs in goal. There isn't a team out there in the NHL in the cap era who can have crazy forward depth, a high end top four on defense like we do (Pronger, Timonen, Mezsaros, Coburn) and have an elite goalie. Sacrifices need to be made to get the goalie we need, and it will take care of weakening the forward depth and then some.

Again, to each their own, thanks for the feedback.

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Who are some veteran defensemen we might be able to sign in free agency for around 1.5 million?

Brent Sopel, Nic Wallin, Radek Martinek, Craig Rivet?

I still feel very strongly that we need to add some size and toughness, although maybe O'Brien is redundant with some of the other additions, and while I like O'Donnell, he had next to nothing left in the tank by the stretch run and playoffs.

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We won't get Konopka or Torres for that money, I think.

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Stop with Konopka. Honestly, I'd rather have Adam Hall because he doesn't have a damn screw loose and has better size.

Also the idea of getting rid of Betts and Carter instead of other pieces is ridiculous. Betts couldn't do well in faceoffs because he still had a problem with his finger. Betts' defensive play is a huge helper as well. Bryz would cost WAY too much and Vokoun would be here for cheaper and for less years.

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Plus Vokoun is better.

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Hate seeing Torres, Read, and Nodl in our top 9. That should not happen. I can see Torres on the 3rd line, but that's it. Betts won't get waived, and I wouldn't want him to. Bad shoulders or not, he's our best penalty killer and a valuable asset that would get snatched up immediately.
At some point, we are going to need to start trusting a Phantoms or two. Can't keep rolling signing players. Trust a young guy who doesnt make a lot.

I'll throw down some money that one of Read, Wellwood, Holmstrom, or maybe even Testwuide, etc, make the squad.

In the end, I do agree with everything except Bryz and the Konopka signing. I also would go for Vokoun. If you think Hartnell is bad at taking penalites, get ready for Konopka.


If Craig Rivet was cheap, I would love for him to pair with Gustafsson.

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Who are some veteran defensemen we might be able to sign in free agency for around 1.5 million?

Brent Sopel, Nic Wallin, Radek Martinek, Craig Rivet?

I still feel very strongly that we need to add some size and toughness, although maybe O'Brien is redundant with some of the other additions, and while I like O'Donnell, he had next to nothing left in the tank by the stretch run and playoffs.
He'd cost about 2, but Jan hejda would be perfect

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Well you wont get a first for Carle, even a late 1st

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Well you wont get a first for Carle, even a late 1st

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Well you wont get a first for Carle, even a late 1st
"Hey guys, I came in here to tell you that you won't get the trade value for a player that you want and possibly deserve mostly because that player would be helpful on my team and I don't want to pay that much to acquire him."

That's pretty much what I read there.

To believe Carle, as a legitimate top 4 puck-moving defensemen, isn't worth a late 1st is to believe that we didn't trade Umberger for a 1st or that we didn't acquire Versteeg for at least a 1st or that a 1st round pick has never been given up for any top 4 defenseman or top 6 forward just about to enter their prime.

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At some point, we are going to need to start trusting a Phantoms or two. Can't keep rolling signing players. Trust a young guy who doesnt make a lot.

I'll throw down some money that one of Read, Wellwood, Holmstrom, or maybe even Testwuide, etc, make the squad.

In the end, I do agree with everything except Bryz and the Konopka signing. I also would go for Vokoun. If you think Hartnell is bad at taking penalites, get ready for Konopka.


If Craig Rivet was cheap, I would love for him to pair with Gustafsson.
That's not that easy to do when you don't have draft picks to bring in young, talented players. I'm not sure if there are any forwards in our system that we can trust to be more than 4th liners. Maybe Read, but we'll see.


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He'd cost about 2, but Jan hejda would be perfect
I like Ericsson from Detroit. Probably wouldn't cost too much since he doesn't put up any points. He's like 26-27 yrs old and 6'5". I think he'd be a good replacement for OD, but I don't know if I'm overestimating him simply because he's from Detroit.

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"Hey guys, I came in here to tell you that you won't get the trade value for a player that you want and possibly deserve mostly because that player would be helpful on my team and I don't want to pay that much to acquire him."

That's pretty much what I read there.

To believe Carle, as a legitimate top 4 puck-moving defensemen, isn't worth a late 1st is to believe that we didn't trade Umberger for a 1st or that we didn't acquire Versteeg for at least a 1st or that a 1st round pick has never been given up for any top 4 defenseman or top 6 forward just about to enter their prime.
The Flyers gave a 1st round pick for Steve Eminger.

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The Flyers gave a 1st round pick for Steve Eminger.
Steve Eminger was also a 7th defenseman for the Caps (I believe) at the time we did that.



No excuse.

Still, Eminger then =/= Carle now.

In fact, Carle is still lightyears better than Eminger will ever be.

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Steve Eminger was also a 7th defenseman for the Caps (I believe) at the time we did that.



No excuse.

Still, Eminger then =/= Carle now.

In fact, Carle is still lightyears better than Eminger will ever be.

Exactly!


One of the few Holmgren brain cramps.

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Exactly!


One of the few Holmgren brain cramps.
Not just one of few...

Probably his biggest mistake to date. The cause and effect that trickled down from that one deal is crazy, and the opportunity cost left on the table is even crazier.

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I would love to see Torres and Konopka on the Flyers.

This year's defense crop is looking pretty pathetic though. Say no to Wallin, Rivet, Sopel, they are all over the hill. O'brien isn't great, but he might be the best cheap option.

Hejda gets some good reviews but I can't say I know too much about him. Say no to Ericsson too, he is basically a poor, poor man's Coburn without the skating ability.

It'll be interesting to see what happens with Markov, I'm sure teams won't be rushing out to sign him given his recent injury history.

It would be cool to nab Wisniewski but I reckon he'll garner about 1.5+ more than he's worth.

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I don't see SJ taking back one of their originals. As far as goalies go, get Bryz, he's 4 years younger. The main focus for Homer should be getting a goalie.

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Stop with Konopka. Honestly, I'd rather have Adam Hall because he doesn't have a damn screw loose and has better size.

Also the idea of getting rid of Betts and Carter instead of other pieces is ridiculous. Betts couldn't do well in faceoffs because he still had a problem with his finger. Betts' defensive play is a huge helper as well. Bryz would cost WAY too much and Vokoun would be here for cheaper and for less years.
Agreed! He has replaced Malholtra as the most over hyped role player on this board.

Keep Betts at $700 and if he can't stay healthy you can replace him easily at the trade deadline with guys like Konopka and Jamal Mayhers. I'd rather have Mayers over Konopka.

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firing Holmgren would be a good start and getting a GM who is at leaast moderately sane would be a good sstart

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